Trump Deporting High-Profile Illegal Immigrant Activists

[georgephillip]

.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

 

[georgephillip]

Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?

Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.

Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?

Nonsense, when Az passed legislation to push the Illegals out of the state, farmers replaced them with machinery which didn't add significantly to their costs and the wages the remaining agricultural workers, all Americans, went up. Getting rid of the illegals helps both business owner and workers as well as the manufacturers of equipment that will be bought to replace the illegals. It's good for America.

Do you have any evidence of machinery that can harvest crops like strawberries and citrus? As far as improving economic conditions for "business owner and workers", there's little evidence of that based on recent US history

https://www.economist.com/news/unit...ied-1960s-kicking-out-immigrants-doesnt-raise

"Kicking out immigrants doesn’t raise wages
At least, it didn’t when America tried in the 1960s..."

"MEXICAN immigrants were said to be holding down wages and taking jobs that could go to honest Americans. The poorest natives were supposed to be suffering most grievously. 'We cannot afford to disregard it,' intoned the president. 'We do not condone it.' The immigrants were soon sent home and not allowed to return.

"All that happened in the early 1960s.

"The president was John F. Kennedy..."

"Estimates are that it costs $70 to $275 per acre to machine harvest grapes (not accounting for the cost of a machine, which can range from $150,000 to $300,000). Picking by hand, which takes much longer, can run to $750 per acre at super-premium properties. Nevertheless, some vintners are taking a cavalier approach."

Moving Toward Mechanical

Thanks for your link.
Most of my personal experience with farm labor was in citrus orchards. I never dreamed mechanical harvesters for row crops like grapes and strawberries would prove economically viable.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Are they ILLEGAL immigrants?

If they are, you don't give them jobs, or government services.

Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.

California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost

"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.

"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.

"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.

"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.

"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."

That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.

Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?

Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.

Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?

Why would you need to subsidize them? Does the government do that with construction workers then the job at hand is done?



You pay the fruit pickers a fair wage when the job is done they move on.

 

[Wyatt earp]

That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.

Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?

Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.

Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?

I'm saying we need to be honest. Americans will do those jobs (and do in some areas) for real wages. Illegal aliens will do it for far less. Illegal aliens fill jobs Americans could do and they suppress wages. The add to income inequality. They are holes in the bottom of the boat of the War on Poverty.

Let's quit the smoke and mirrors and see the real value of things. Americans can make up their own minds whether avocados are worth it as often. The living wage would give consumers more money, so it may be avocados every day!

If avocados are just too expensive, it is what it is. Maybe strawberries become a delicacy. So be it. Reality is better than the smokescreen IMO.

It is also possible some of the largest US growers will shift production to Mexico:

Expelling Immigrant Workers May Also Send Away the Work They Do

"This is how the growers will respond to President Trump’s threatened crackdown on immigration: They will lobby, asking Congress to provide some legal option to hang on to their foreign work force.

"They will switch to crops like tree nuts, which are less labor-intensive to produce than perishable fruits and vegetables. They will look for technology to mechanize the harvest of strawberries and other crops. And they will rent land in Mexico.

"There is one thing they won’t do.

"Even if the Trump administration were to deploy the 10,000 immigration agents it plans to hire across the nation’s fields to detain and deport farmhands working illegally, farmers are very unlikely to raise wages and improve working conditions to attract American workers instead."

Prove it.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?

Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.

Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?

I'm saying we need to be honest. Americans will do those jobs (and do in some areas) for real wages. Illegal aliens will do it for far less. Illegal aliens fill jobs Americans could do and they suppress wages. The add to income inequality. They are holes in the bottom of the boat of the War on Poverty.

Let's quit the smoke and mirrors and see the real value of things. Americans can make up their own minds whether avocados are worth it as often. The living wage would give consumers more money, so it may be avocados every day!

If avocados are just too expensive, it is what it is. Maybe strawberries become a delicacy. So be it. Reality is better than the smokescreen IMO.

It is also possible some of the largest US growers will shift production to Mexico:

Expelling Immigrant Workers May Also Send Away the Work They Do

"This is how the growers will respond to President Trump’s threatened crackdown on immigration: They will lobby, asking Congress to provide some legal option to hang on to their foreign work force.

"They will switch to crops like tree nuts, which are less labor-intensive to produce than perishable fruits and vegetables. They will look for technology to mechanize the harvest of strawberries and other crops. And they will rent land in Mexico.

"There is one thing they won’t do.

"Even if the Trump administration were to deploy the 10,000 immigration agents it plans to hire across the nation’s fields to detain and deport farmhands working illegally, farmers are very unlikely to raise wages and improve working conditions to attract American workers instead."

Prove it.

How this garlic farm went from a labor shortage to over 150 people on its applicant waitlist


Christopher Ranch, which grows garlic on 5,000 acres in Gilroy, Calif., announced recently that it would hike pay for farmworkers from $11 an hour to $13 hour this year, or 18%, and then to $15 in 2018. That’s four years earlier than what’s required by California’s schedule for minimum wage increases.

Ken Christopher, vice president at Christopher Ranch, said the effect of the move was immediately obvious. At the end of last year, the farm was short 50 workers needed to help peel, package and roast garlic. Within two weeks of upping wages in January, applications flooded in. Now the company has a wait-list 150 people long.

 

[Wyatt earp]

.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

A link in spanish?

 

[georgephillip]

Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.

California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost

"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.

"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.

"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.

"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.

"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."

That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.

Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?

Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.

Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?

Why would you need to subsidize them? Does the government do that with construction workers then the job at hand is done?



You pay the fruit pickers a fair wage when the job is done they move on.

Unlike the owners of construction companies, most farmers will argue they can't afford to pay a livable wage to their workers each and every year. Obviously, that won't wash with Tyson Chicken, but for many other agricultural employers they probably would not be able to pay a living wage every year because of the vagaries of weather and marketplace. Perhaps there is already enough money in the corporate agriculture pipeline to divert some of it to those who actually produce our food?

 

[Tresha91203]

That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.

Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?

Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.

Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?

Why would you need to subsidize them? Does the government do that with construction workers then the job at hand is done?



You pay the fruit pickers a fair wage when the job is done they move on.

Unlike the owners of construction companies, most farmers will argue they can't afford to pay a livable wage to their workers each and every year. Obviously, that won't wash with Tyson Chicken, but for many other agricultural employers they probably would not be able to pay a living wage every year because of the vagaries of weather and marketplace. Perhaps there is already enough money in the corporate agriculture pipeline to divert some of it to those who actually produce our food?

Americans can pay the actual value of the produce so pickers don't work 12 hours a day bent over for <$100. There is enough cheap produce to serve the nutritional needs of the populace. If artichoke prices double because of a flash flood, so be it. Farmers have insurance on their crops, too.

My point is that we hitch and moan about slave labor overseas in Chinese sweat shops but claim we NEED an exploited underclass here in order to survive because artichokes cannot cost $7 each! If that's how labor intensive artichokes are (they are very labor intensive), and they do not preserve well (can't freeze), then YES! Artichokes can and should cost $7 each.

If artichokes become an import, US artichoke farmers will grow something that does not require illegal aliens to harvest for half minimum wage.

 

[Leo123]

YES!!!! Get rid of the illegals. The market will correct for it. You are doing nothing more than peddling hysterics and keeping overall wages of American citizens lower.

You're the one peddling fear and hysteria:

Timid white conservatives are a bigger threat to this country than all 11 million unauthorized migrants combined.
Fear of Foreigners: A Cartoon History of Nativism in America

Ben was right that's why we have ICE and should have a wall. We don't want to turn America into a foreign culture we want immigrants to assimilate into the American culture. That is the real meaning of what he said but you are too dumb to realize it.

 

[Leo123]

Americans can pay the actual value of the produce so pickers don't work 12 hours a day bent over for <$100. There is enough cheap produce to serve the nutritional needs of the populace. If artichoke prices double because of a flash flood, so be it. Farmers have insurance on their crops, too.

My point is that we hitch and moan about slave labor overseas in Chinese sweat shops but claim we NEED an exploited underclass here in order to survive because artichokes cannot cost $7 each! If that's how labor intensive artichokes are (they are very labor intensive), and they do not preserve well (can't freeze), then YES! Artichokes can and should cost $7 each.

If artichokes become an import, US artichoke farmers will grow something that does not require illegal aliens to harvest for half minimum wage.

Correct, Democrats want to promote slave labor which is true to their form as they are the ones who supported slavery in the first place. They have not changed these many decades only their methodology of securing slaves.

 

[Leo123]

Unlike the owners of construction companies, most farmers will argue they can't afford to pay a livable wage to their workers each and every year. Obviously, that won't wash with Tyson Chicken, but for many other agricultural employers they probably would not be able to pay a living wage every year because of the vagaries of weather and marketplace. Perhaps there is already enough money in the corporate agriculture pipeline to divert some of it to those who actually produce our food?

Farmers can't afford to pay more because lefty Democrats have promoted slave wages which have forced the price of produce down. You have already been schooled about this and apparently it went over your head. Try thinking beyond your Democrat talking points and what you are told to believe. Honestly the more you post the more you look like a very limited information person.

 

[Tresha91203]

Americans can pay the actual value of the produce so pickers don't work 12 hours a day bent over for <$100. There is enough cheap produce to serve the nutritional needs of the populace. If artichoke prices double because of a flash flood, so be it. Farmers have insurance on their crops, too.

My point is that we hitch and moan about slave labor overseas in Chinese sweat shops but claim we NEED an exploited underclass here in order to survive because artichokes cannot cost $7 each! If that's how labor intensive artichokes are (they are very labor intensive), and they do not preserve well (can't freeze), then YES! Artichokes can and should cost $7 each.

If artichokes become an import, US artichoke farmers will grow something that does not require illegal aliens to harvest for half minimum wage.

Correct, Democrats want to promote slave labor which is true to their form as they are the ones who supported slavery in the first place. They have not changed these many decades only their methodology of securing slaves.

Agree, but Republican politicians are usually right beside them cheering them on ... and often writing the checks.

 

[Leo123]

Agree, but Republican politicians are usually right beside them cheering them on ... and often writing the checks.

Capitalism is not a moral entity. It exists to make a profit. If it were not for Democrats promoting slave wages in the first place, Republicans (who mostly believe in Capitalism) would not be taking advantage of such slave wages. Lefties have a hard time understanding that their moral relativity affects the society and the economy. When a way to make more profit is created AND condoned capitalism will always take advantage.

 

[Unkotare]

.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

Neighborhoods change all the time. Are you claiming that everyone who has moved there since the 80s is from El Salvador? More BS.

 

[Unkotare]

.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

The “claims” of some far left hack are worth nothing.

 

[georgephillip]

YES!!!! Get rid of the illegals. The market will correct for it. You are doing nothing more than peddling hysterics and keeping overall wages of American citizens lower.

You're the one peddling fear and hysteria:

Timid white conservatives are a bigger threat to this country than all 11 million unauthorized migrants combined.
Fear of Foreigners: A Cartoon History of Nativism in America

Ben was right that's why we have ICE and should have a wall. We don't want to turn America into a foreign culture we want immigrants to assimilate into the American culture. That is the real meaning of what he said but you are too dumb to realize it.

What skin color do you associate with "American culture?"

 

[georgephillip]

.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

The “claims” of some far left hack are worth nothing.

Eye-witness accounts are always worth more than infantile ignorance.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"The shithole country poured $1 million a day in aid and weapons into the land.

"They sent down their most ruthless killers, including Félix Rodríguez, the CIA agent and Bay of Pigs veteran who had overseen the hunt for Che Guevara in Bolivia, presided over his execution and proudly wore the wristwatch he had taken from the martyred revolutionary’s body.

"At night you could see the killers sent to El Salvador by the shithole country, usually with their Vietnamese wives, sitting around the pool at the Sheraton Hotel.

"They had perfected the dark arts of infiltrating, torturing, interrogating, disappearing and murdering through practice on the people of Vietnam during the war there.

"They could teach you how to strangle someone with piano wire so there would be no noise as the victim choked to death. They brought many such skills with them to Central America."

 

[Unkotare]

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

The “claims” of some far left hack are worth nothing.

Eye-witness accounts are always worth more than infantile ignorance.......

Any accounts by hyper-partisan hacks are worthless.

 

[georgephillip]

.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....

BS

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

Neighborhoods change all the time. Are you claiming that everyone who has moved there since the 80s is from El Salvador? More BS.

No. I didn't say ..."everyone who has moved there since the 80s is from El Salvador..."

Pico-Union, Los Angeles - Wikipedia

"The area encompassed by Pico-Union was developed as a middle and upper middle class residential district beginning in the 1910s. Easy access to downtown Los Angeles and the nearby Wilshire District drew large numbers of affluent homeowners.

"Following the Second World War, the Pico-Union area, like many inner city neighborhoods, experienced an outflux of residents to the suburbs.

"The loss of residents and business led to high vacancy rates and lower property values in much of the neighborhood by the 1960s.

"In the late 1970s and 1980s, the area became a major point of entry for Salvadoran and Guatemalan immigrants seeking refuge from civil war, according to the Pico Union Self-Guided Walking Tour, published in 2009 by the Los Angeles Conservancy.[6]."

 

[georgephillip]

Were you there?
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."

Your source is a hyper-partisan emo-queen, and you seem to forget that none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s.

Chris Hedges makes no attempt to hide his far-left politics; however, he spent five years of his life covering the civil war in El Salvador. Instead of manufacturing awkward ad hominems, perhaps you can refute some of his claims:

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"In the fall of 1983, the rebels, supplied with weapons from the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, were on the verge of capturing the country’s second largest city.

"I did not, at first, travel with the army.

"It was too dangerous.

"It was far safer to go into combat with the FMLN.

"Without outside intervention, the rebels would have seized control of El Salvador within months and ousted the oligarchs."

When you say "...none of the kids here illegally were anywhere near alive yet in the 80s", that is true for the Dreamers but not for their parents.

The neighborhood I live in today was a bastion of upper-middle class whiteness prior to Reagan's meddling in the politics of Central America 38 years ago.
Centro de recursos intenta revitalizar el área de Pico Union | La Opinión

The “claims” of some far left hack are worth nothing.

Eye-witness accounts are always worth more than infantile ignorance.......

Any accounts by hyper-partisan hacks are worthless.

So says the hyper-partisan attack-hack.

You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’

"The Chilean poet Pablo Neruda understood how those who ruled the shithole country looked at the wretched of the earth. He wrote:

'When the trumpet sounded, it was
all prepared on the earth,
the Jehovah parceled out the earth
to Coca Cola, Inc., Anaconda,
Ford Motors, and other entities:
The Fruit Company, Inc.
reserved for itself the most succulent,
the central coast of my land,
the delicate waist of America.'"