Trump And Israel: Carrots And Peas

[PoliticalChic]

You have succumbed to the moral equivalency doctrine of the Left.

Incorrect ..

He is applying common sense to the reality of the situation.

Anything you can deny in this?

John Quincy Adams also described the Quran in one of his essays as follows:

The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.
No, Professor Ahmed, the Founders Were Not So Fond of Islam

 

[LaDairis]

Actually, I've been to the Holy Land.....have you?

Did Fraud Jesus float down from the clouds???

Or do we need to slaughter more Muslims for that to happen???

 

[bendog]

You have succumbed to the moral equivalency doctrine of the Left.

Incorrect ..

He is applying common sense to the reality of the situation in a quest to reach an equitable and peaceful solution..

Israel had every reason to conclude the Palestinians weren't interested in any peace that involved a Jewish state surviving in the area, but Israel had the land and power to simply unilaterally create a two state solution. But they chose not to because they preferred keeping the land and creating an apartheid state. Perhaps just a minority of Israelis created this situation, but if it was really just a minority, then the majority allowed it to happen. And it's no more morally acceptable than Hamas' intention to destroy Israel.

PC's just a religious warrior.

 

[LaDairis]

Israel had every reason to conclude the Palestinians weren't interested in any peace

Of course. Israel wonderful. Everything in Israel's "way" = awful...

Did you cheer when Israel offed the USS Liberty too???

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, I've been to the Holy Land.....have you?

Did Fraud Jesus float down from the clouds???

Or do we need to slaughter more Muslims for that to happen???

Actually, I've been to the Holy Land.....have you?

 

[bendog]

Israel had every reason to conclude the Palestinians weren't interested in any peace

Of course. Israel wonderful. Everything in Israel's "way" = awful...

Did you cheer when Israel offed the USS Liberty too???

Where did you read that I found Israel's "border relations" were morally defensible? There's no real moral difference between Likud than Hamas. Trump merely panders to his "Rapture Now" base that views Jews as necessary to their end of times myth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Israel had every reason to conclude the Palestinians weren't interested in any peace

Of course. Israel wonderful. Everything in Israel's "way" = awful...

Did you cheer when Israel offed the USS Liberty too???

Where did you read that I found Israel's "border relations" were morally defensible? There's no real moral difference between Likud than Hamas. Trump merely panders to his "Rapture Now" base that views Jews as necessary to their end of times myth.

"There's no real moral difference between Likud than Hamas."

I must say....I appreciate you morons revealing yourselves this bereft of sanity and morality....

...saves me the effort.



For any who don't realize what a fool and liar you are...

Hamas Constitution:

"The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[4][5] It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."[6] The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[7] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam."
Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia

 

[LaDairis]

Hamas was not behind 911

Likud was


There is no comparison

 

[bendog]

Hamas was not behind 911

Likud was


There is no comparison

Ofay. You and PC make a cute couple. LOL

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hamas was not behind 911

Likud was


There is no comparison

Nothing more need be said.

 

[LaDairis]

Yeah, show us a "photo" of Osama in Saudi.....


Except there AREN'T ANY....

which is what the FBI found out....

https://nypost.com/2016/07/16/saudis-stonewalled-us-terror-probes-before-after-911-report/

"Saudi Arabia was so uncooperative in US terror investigations before and after 9/11 that one New York FBI investigator slammed the kingdom as “useless and obstructionist,”


Can you show us his birth cirtificate??

NO, FUCK YOU

How about his passport?

No, FUCK YOU.


Who was Osama in reality?

Jewish CIA Agent Col Tim Osman, and we have three photos of him....


cia col tim osman - Google Search



Veterans Today

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah, show us a "photo" of Osama in Saudi.....


Except there AREN'T ANY....

which is what the FBI found out....

https://nypost.com/2016/07/16/saudis-stonewalled-us-terror-probes-before-after-911-report/

"Saudi Arabia was so uncooperative in US terror investigations before and after 9/11 that one New York FBI investigator slammed the kingdom as “useless and obstructionist,”


Can you show us his birth cirtificate??

NO, FUCK YOU

How about his passport?

No, FUCK YOU.


Who was Osama in reality?

Jewish CIA Agent Col Tim Osman, and we have three photos of him....


cia col tim osman - Google Search



Veterans Today

You were doing fine, until you realized you'd lost the argument.....then you couldn't find any articulate way to continue sans vulgarity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. "... Pompeo’s statement is first and foremost an extraordinary gesture of support for Israel and the rights of the Jewish people on the part of President Trump and his administration. But from an American perspective, it also represents a key advance in Mr. Trump’s realist foreign policy.

Since taking office, Mr. Trump has worked consistently to align U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and beyond to the world as it is, rather than to the world as “experts” imagine it to be. In the Middle East, this realignment of U.S. policy has provided the nations of the region — including Israel and the Palestinians — with the first chance of reaching genuine peace they have ever had."
Pompeo Breaks With Years of Error On Israel Settlements

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. If Trump and Israel are carrots and peas, then Obama and Trump are as alike as Michelob and Michelangelo.




"It wouldn’t seem hard for anyone remotely interested in the fate of the planet to draw at least one clear lesson from ... Iranian strikes on Saudi Arabia: There is no way that the regime that casually took 50% of Saudi oil production offline can ever be allowed to get anywhere near possessing a nuclear bomb.

Imagine what a nuclear-armed Iran might do to the oil production on which the entire planet depends for energy, transportation, and food. Does anyone really care to wager that an Iranian regime that had such devastating weapons wouldn’t actually use them? That seems like a bad bet.

... Barack Obama aides, Democratic Party officials, political operatives, and journalists rolled out an arsenal of tweets, quotes, and op-eds laying down cover for a military attack targeting the world’s oil supply.




...conjoining of US and Iranian interests represents the fulfillment of Obama’s signature foreign policy initiative, the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. The purpose of the JCPOA was to bribe the Iranians to hold off on building a bomb until Obama left office by legitimizing a future Iranian bomb while filling the regime’s coffers with hundreds of billions of dollars.
The effect of the deal was to arm and fund the country that Obama saw as America’s new ally in the region."
Team Iran



After one pro-Islamofascist move and lie after another, the pinnacle of Obama's plan for his co-religionists was to guarantee a regime of 7th century psychotic barbarians, nuclear weapons.

And the guy still isn't in federal prison.




Is it merely a coincidence that Democrat Idol Franklin Roosevelt designed his policy to turn Eastern Europe over to Joseph Stalin,...


....and Democrat known as 'the messiah' to the Liberals/Democrats, Hussein Obama designed his policy to turn the Middle East over to Iran?

 

[Rigby5]

Then please enlighten me on exactly what you mean?

The country currently known as Israel will be relegated into the dustbin of history, and replaced with a new country called Palestine to be governed democratically based on Sharia law.

Former Israeli jewish citizens will be allowed to remain in the new country and allowed a couple of token seats in the new Parliament, but will not be allowed to join the military or hold local political office. They will be required to pay an annual tax in lieu of having to perform military service.

Any jews who can't live under these peaceful conditions will be free to exit the country with a couple of suitcases per person. Any property, business, homes, and bank accounts, will become property of the state. ...

With Israel gone and replaced by a democracy, there likely would be no need for a military at all in Palestine.

 

[Rigby5]

Well Sunni Man?

No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast.
The proper course of action is to let all the 12 million Arab Muslims vote as well as the 6 million Jews, and see who is elected?
And the rule of law requires that the Arab homes illegally confiscated by Israel, be returned to the Arab owners or their descendants, who are allowed the right of return.
So Jews then would own very little land in Israel.

I asked Sunni Man only because of his apparent hatred for Jews, to include his denial of the Holocaust (a link he provides on his signature lines). So, based on his "No" with a emoji that would make one think his "no" wasn't a true comment, I asked for him to enlighten me on what he means.

A one country solution is very unlikely, so by whatever means is decided upon, let there be two nations. The United Nations created this mess and the United Nations should fix this mess. There is no reason Jews and Palestinians can't coexist.

As to if Sunni Man is a Holocaust denier or not, the reality is that there was not a single trace left of any death camps when the Allies over ran or the war ended.
Every single death camp had almost no buildings, factories, barracks, laundry, dorns, or any of the crowded layout of a work camp. And Auschwitz most definitely was a work camp, NOT a death camp.
So Sunni Man's sig line and link is correct.
And that does not mean he is a Holocaust denier.
BUT, the detail is that Birkenau was a death camp, only a few miles from Auschwitz.
And some of the Allies incorrectly called Birkenau, Auschwitz II.
When you take the Auschwitz tour, you will be shown showers rigged with fake water spouts as if for gas.
But they are retro fits that do not belong there.
They are a simulation of what someone thought might have happened at Birkenau.
They are not authentic, and if you ask the tour guide, they will admit that they are not authentic.

 

[Rigby5]

Then please enlighten me on exactly what you mean?

The country currently known as Israel will be relegated into the dustbin of history, and replaced with a new country called Palestine to be governed democratically based on Sharia law.

Democratically governed would include Jews - otherwise it isn't democratic at all.

Democratic:
2. adjective
Something that is democratic is based on the idea that everyone should have equal rights and should be involved in making important decisions.

Democratic definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Former Israeli jewish citizens will be allowed to remain in the new country and allowed a couple of token seats in the new Parliament, but will not be allowed to join the military or hold local political office. They will be required to pay an annual tax.

Any jews who can't live under these peaceful conditions will be free to exit the country with a couple of suitcases per person. Any property, business, homes, and bank accounts, will become property of the state. ...

Very Germanic of you - minus the concentration camps of course.

Germans actually are not very anti-Jewish historically, and it was only the Zionist collaboration in WWI that made Jews so unpopular in Germany.

Since Jews are only about a third the population of Palestine/Israel, and mostly come from illegal immigration, one would not expect much Jewish representation in a democracy.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

I won't reply because that would be hijacking the thread. But, if you'd like to discuss the topic start one, say in CDZ to eliminate the hateful comments?

 

[Rigby5]

Israel isn't going away and neither is Palestine. So, if both sides would acknowledge each other's existence and try to come together to work out their differences then there might just be peace in the Middle East.

You are quite the optimist.

A deeper knowledge may disabuse you of same.


"The hate, rather, is a direct byproduct of mainstream Islamic teaching—and has been for nearly fourteen centuries. According to the ancient Islamic doctrine of al-wal’a wa al-bara’, or “loyalty and enmity”—which is well grounded in Islamic scriptures, well sponsored by Islamic authorities, and well manifested all throughout Islamic history and contemporary affairs—Muslims must hate and oppose everyone who is not Muslim, including family members. (The importance of this doctrine is such that al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote a nearly 60 page treatise on al-wal’a wa al-bara’ in The Al Qaeda Reader, pp. 63-115.)

Koran 60:4 is the cornerstone verse of this doctrine and speaks for itself: “You [Muslims] have a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, for they said to their people, ‘We disown you and the idols which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you: enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah alone’” (Koran 60:4, emphasis added).

Koran 58:22 praises Muslims who fight and kill their own non-Muslim family members: “You shall find none who believe in Allah and the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger—even if they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred.”

According to standard Islamic exegesis, this verse refers to a number of Muslims who slaughtered their own non-Muslim kin (one slew his non-Muslim father, another his non-Muslim brother, a third—Abu Bakr, the first revered caliph of Islamic history—tried to slay his non-Muslim son, and Omar, the second righteous caliph, slaughtered his relatives). Popular commentator Ibn Kathir wrote that Allah was immensely pleased by their unwavering zeal for his cause and rewarded them with paradise.

In fact, verses that support the divisive doctrine of “loyalty and enmity” permeate the Koran (see also 4:89, 4:144, 5:51, 5:54, 6:40, 9:23, and 60:1). There is one caveat, captured by Koran 3:28: when Muslims are in a position of weakness, they may pretend to befriend non-Muslims, as long as the hate carries on in their hearts. (Read here for several recent examples of Muslims living for years at peace and in friendship with non-Muslims, but then violently turning on them once they became stronger.)

Because enmity for non-Muslims is so ironclad in the Koran, mainstream Islamic teaching holds that Muslim men must even hate—and show that they hate—their non-Muslim wives, for no other reason than that they are “infidels.”
Trump's 'Islam Hates Us' Returns - Raymond Ibrahim

You are badly misinformed.
Jews do believe in Allah.
Allah is not a name, but just the word for God.
And Jews and Muslims share the same Old Testament, as well as the same God.
Yahweh is Allah.

If you knew any history, you would know that it was the Jewish tribes who were forced to leave Palestine by the Romans, who supported and fought for Mohammed.
The Jews were Mohammed's main allies.

Moslems do not consider Jews or Christians to be nonbelievers or infidels.
And by the way, infidel means one lacking in fidelity, which means a traitor, not an unbeliever.
If you actually read the Quran, it says that Judaism and Christianity are Brothers of the Book, and an equally valid means to heaven. The Quran also says there can be no compulsion over religion.

 

[Rigby5]

Well Sunni Man?

No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast.
The proper course of action is to let all the 12 million Arab Muslims vote as well as the 6 million Jews, and see who is elected?
And the rule of law requires that the Arab homes illegally confiscated by Israel, be returned to the Arab owners or their descendants, who are allowed the right of return.
So Jews then would own very little land in Israel.

"No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast."


Are you this stupid, or this insane????

No, I am ACCURATE!
If Moslems disliked Jews and wanted to kill them, then none would have survived the 1920s, when the Arab Moslems were in charge.
Moslems always supported and defended Jews.
That is why the Moors imported so many Jews into the Iberian Peninsula, to act as Viziers, administrators, and rulers, for them.
No one has ever attacked Jews in the Mideast.
People in the Mideast have defended themselves against violent Zionists however.