Trump And Israel: Carrots And Peas

[Rigby5]

8. "... Pompeo’s statement is first and foremost an extraordinary gesture of support for Israel and the rights of the Jewish people on the part of President Trump and his administration. But from an American perspective, it also represents a key advance in Mr. Trump’s realist foreign policy.

Since taking office, Mr. Trump has worked consistently to align U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and beyond to the world as it is, rather than to the world as “experts” imagine it to be. In the Middle East, this realignment of U.S. policy has provided the nations of the region — including Israel and the Palestinians — with the first chance of reaching genuine peace they have ever had."
Pompeo Breaks With Years of Error On Israel Settlements

The settlements and most of Israel are illegal, and only a criminal would tolerate these Zionist crimes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Israel isn't going away and neither is Palestine. So, if both sides would acknowledge each other's existence and try to come together to work out their differences then there might just be peace in the Middle East.

You are quite the optimist.

A deeper knowledge may disabuse you of same.


"The hate, rather, is a direct byproduct of mainstream Islamic teaching—and has been for nearly fourteen centuries. According to the ancient Islamic doctrine of al-wal’a wa al-bara’, or “loyalty and enmity”—which is well grounded in Islamic scriptures, well sponsored by Islamic authorities, and well manifested all throughout Islamic history and contemporary affairs—Muslims must hate and oppose everyone who is not Muslim, including family members. (The importance of this doctrine is such that al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote a nearly 60 page treatise on al-wal’a wa al-bara’ in The Al Qaeda Reader, pp. 63-115.)

Koran 60:4 is the cornerstone verse of this doctrine and speaks for itself: “You [Muslims] have a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, for they said to their people, ‘We disown you and the idols which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you: enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah alone’” (Koran 60:4, emphasis added).

Koran 58:22 praises Muslims who fight and kill their own non-Muslim family members: “You shall find none who believe in Allah and the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger—even if they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred.”

According to standard Islamic exegesis, this verse refers to a number of Muslims who slaughtered their own non-Muslim kin (one slew his non-Muslim father, another his non-Muslim brother, a third—Abu Bakr, the first revered caliph of Islamic history—tried to slay his non-Muslim son, and Omar, the second righteous caliph, slaughtered his relatives). Popular commentator Ibn Kathir wrote that Allah was immensely pleased by their unwavering zeal for his cause and rewarded them with paradise.

In fact, verses that support the divisive doctrine of “loyalty and enmity” permeate the Koran (see also 4:89, 4:144, 5:51, 5:54, 6:40, 9:23, and 60:1). There is one caveat, captured by Koran 3:28: when Muslims are in a position of weakness, they may pretend to befriend non-Muslims, as long as the hate carries on in their hearts. (Read here for several recent examples of Muslims living for years at peace and in friendship with non-Muslims, but then violently turning on them once they became stronger.)

Because enmity for non-Muslims is so ironclad in the Koran, mainstream Islamic teaching holds that Muslim men must even hate—and show that they hate—their non-Muslim wives, for no other reason than that they are “infidels.”
Trump's 'Islam Hates Us' Returns - Raymond Ibrahim

You are badly misinformed.
Jews do believe in Allah.
Allah is not a name, but just the word for God.
And Jews and Muslims share the same Old Testament, as well as the same God.
Yahweh is Allah.

If you knew any history, you would know that it was the Jewish tribes who were forced to leave Palestine by the Romans, who supported and fought for Mohammed.
The Jews were Mohammed's main allies.

Moslems do not consider Jews or Christians to be nonbelievers or infidels.
And by the way, infidel means one lacking in fidelity, which means a traitor, not an unbeliever.
If you actually read the Quran, it says that Judaism and Christianity are Brothers of the Book, and an equally valid means to heaven. The Quran also says there can be no compulsion over religion.

Please just go away.


Your posts lower the average IQ of those in the thread by 50 points.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well Sunni Man?

No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast.
The proper course of action is to let all the 12 million Arab Muslims vote as well as the 6 million Jews, and see who is elected?
And the rule of law requires that the Arab homes illegally confiscated by Israel, be returned to the Arab owners or their descendants, who are allowed the right of return.
So Jews then would own very little land in Israel.

"No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast."


Are you this stupid, or this insane????

No, I am ACCURATE!
If Moslems disliked Jews and wanted to kill them, then none would have survived the 1920s, when the Arab Moslems were in charge.
Moslems always supported and defended Jews.
That is why the Moors imported so many Jews into the Iberian Peninsula, to act as Viziers, administrators, and rulers, for them.
No one has ever attacked Jews in the Mideast.
People in the Mideast have defended themselves against violent Zionists however.

You know why people take an instant dislike to you?

‘Cause it saves time.

 

[Rigby5]

I won't reply because that would be hijacking the thread. But, if you'd like to discuss the topic start one, say in CDZ to eliminate the hateful comments?

This thread has very little purpose, so I would not worry about hijacking it if I were you.
My point was just that England, Russia, Spain, and other European countries treated Jews much worse, so many ended up in Germany and Poland, where they were not treated as badly.
For example, when the Crusades went through Germany, it was the Christians from England and France who murdered Jews in Germany. The Germans tried to protect them.

 

[Mac1958]

The amount of denial required to pretend that anti-Semites only exist on the Left is astonishing.

This is what being consumed by a hardcore partisan ideology does to people: It renders them intellectually myopic and delusional.

Let this example be a cautionary tale, gang. Don't let this happen to you. Don't get sucked into an ideological vacuum.
.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel isn't going away and neither is Palestine. So, if both sides would acknowledge each other's existence and try to come together to work out their differences then there might just be peace in the Middle East.

You are quite the optimist.

A deeper knowledge may disabuse you of same.


"The hate, rather, is a direct byproduct of mainstream Islamic teaching—and has been for nearly fourteen centuries. According to the ancient Islamic doctrine of al-wal’a wa al-bara’, or “loyalty and enmity”—which is well grounded in Islamic scriptures, well sponsored by Islamic authorities, and well manifested all throughout Islamic history and contemporary affairs—Muslims must hate and oppose everyone who is not Muslim, including family members. (The importance of this doctrine is such that al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote a nearly 60 page treatise on al-wal’a wa al-bara’ in The Al Qaeda Reader, pp. 63-115.)

Koran 60:4 is the cornerstone verse of this doctrine and speaks for itself: “You [Muslims] have a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, for they said to their people, ‘We disown you and the idols which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you: enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah alone’” (Koran 60:4, emphasis added).

Koran 58:22 praises Muslims who fight and kill their own non-Muslim family members: “You shall find none who believe in Allah and the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger—even if they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred.”

According to standard Islamic exegesis, this verse refers to a number of Muslims who slaughtered their own non-Muslim kin (one slew his non-Muslim father, another his non-Muslim brother, a third—Abu Bakr, the first revered caliph of Islamic history—tried to slay his non-Muslim son, and Omar, the second righteous caliph, slaughtered his relatives). Popular commentator Ibn Kathir wrote that Allah was immensely pleased by their unwavering zeal for his cause and rewarded them with paradise.

In fact, verses that support the divisive doctrine of “loyalty and enmity” permeate the Koran (see also 4:89, 4:144, 5:51, 5:54, 6:40, 9:23, and 60:1). There is one caveat, captured by Koran 3:28: when Muslims are in a position of weakness, they may pretend to befriend non-Muslims, as long as the hate carries on in their hearts. (Read here for several recent examples of Muslims living for years at peace and in friendship with non-Muslims, but then violently turning on them once they became stronger.)

Because enmity for non-Muslims is so ironclad in the Koran, mainstream Islamic teaching holds that Muslim men must even hate—and show that they hate—their non-Muslim wives, for no other reason than that they are “infidels.”
Trump's 'Islam Hates Us' Returns - Raymond Ibrahim

You are badly misinformed.
Jews do believe in Allah.
Allah is not a name, but just the word for God.
And Jews and Muslims share the same Old Testament, as well as the same God.
Yahweh is Allah.

If you knew any history, you would know that it was the Jewish tribes who were forced to leave Palestine by the Romans, who supported and fought for Mohammed.
The Jews were Mohammed's main allies.

Moslems do not consider Jews or Christians to be nonbelievers or infidels.
And by the way, infidel means one lacking in fidelity, which means a traitor, not an unbeliever.
If you actually read the Quran, it says that Judaism and Christianity are Brothers of the Book, and an equally valid means to heaven. The Quran also says there can be no compulsion over religion.

Please just go away.


Your posts lower the average IQ of those in the thread by 50 points.

You are badly misinformed.
You have never read the Quran or any history on Judaism or Islam.
You are relying on distorted propaganda.

Here is an example of the truth, that Jews were Mohammed's original supporters and allies at Medina.
Muhammad in Medina - Wikipedia
{...
Among the things Muhammad did in order to settle the longstanding grievances among the tribes of Medina was drafting a document known as the Constitution of Medina (date debated), "establishing a kind of alliance or federation" among the eight Medinan tribes and Muslim emigrants from Mecca, which specified the rights and duties of all citizens and the relationship of the different communities in Medina (including that of the Muslim community to other communities specifically the Jews and other "Peoples of the Book").[1][2] The community defined in the Constitution of Medina, umma, had a religious outlook but was also shaped by the practical considerations and substantially preserved the legal forms of the old Arab tribes.[3] Muhammad also adopted some features of the Jewish worship and customs such as fasting on the Yom Kippur day. According to Alford Welch, the Jewish practice of having three daily prayer rituals appears to have been a factor in the introduction of the Islamic midday prayer (previously Muhammad was keeping the morning and evening prayers). Welch thinks that Muhammad's adoption of facing north towards Jerusalem when performing the daily prayers (qibla) however need not to necessarily be a borrowing from the Jews as the reports about the direction of prayer before migration to Medina are contradictory and further this direction of prayer was also practiced among other groups in Arabia.
...}

 

[Rigby5]

Well Sunni Man?

No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast.
The proper course of action is to let all the 12 million Arab Muslims vote as well as the 6 million Jews, and see who is elected?
And the rule of law requires that the Arab homes illegally confiscated by Israel, be returned to the Arab owners or their descendants, who are allowed the right of return.
So Jews then would own very little land in Israel.

"No one ever suggested killing Jews in the Mideast."


Are you this stupid, or this insane????

No, I am ACCURATE!
If Moslems disliked Jews and wanted to kill them, then none would have survived the 1920s, when the Arab Moslems were in charge.
Moslems always supported and defended Jews.
That is why the Moors imported so many Jews into the Iberian Peninsula, to act as Viziers, administrators, and rulers, for them.
No one has ever attacked Jews in the Mideast.
People in the Mideast have defended themselves against violent Zionists however.

You know why people take an instant dislike to you?

‘Cause it saves time.

Afraid of the truth or of learning something?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Israel isn't going away and neither is Palestine. So, if both sides would acknowledge each other's existence and try to come together to work out their differences then there might just be peace in the Middle East.

You are quite the optimist.

A deeper knowledge may disabuse you of same.


"The hate, rather, is a direct byproduct of mainstream Islamic teaching—and has been for nearly fourteen centuries. According to the ancient Islamic doctrine of al-wal’a wa al-bara’, or “loyalty and enmity”—which is well grounded in Islamic scriptures, well sponsored by Islamic authorities, and well manifested all throughout Islamic history and contemporary affairs—Muslims must hate and oppose everyone who is not Muslim, including family members. (The importance of this doctrine is such that al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote a nearly 60 page treatise on al-wal’a wa al-bara’ in The Al Qaeda Reader, pp. 63-115.)

Koran 60:4 is the cornerstone verse of this doctrine and speaks for itself: “You [Muslims] have a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, for they said to their people, ‘We disown you and the idols which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you: enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah alone’” (Koran 60:4, emphasis added).

Koran 58:22 praises Muslims who fight and kill their own non-Muslim family members: “You shall find none who believe in Allah and the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger—even if they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred.”

According to standard Islamic exegesis, this verse refers to a number of Muslims who slaughtered their own non-Muslim kin (one slew his non-Muslim father, another his non-Muslim brother, a third—Abu Bakr, the first revered caliph of Islamic history—tried to slay his non-Muslim son, and Omar, the second righteous caliph, slaughtered his relatives). Popular commentator Ibn Kathir wrote that Allah was immensely pleased by their unwavering zeal for his cause and rewarded them with paradise.

In fact, verses that support the divisive doctrine of “loyalty and enmity” permeate the Koran (see also 4:89, 4:144, 5:51, 5:54, 6:40, 9:23, and 60:1). There is one caveat, captured by Koran 3:28: when Muslims are in a position of weakness, they may pretend to befriend non-Muslims, as long as the hate carries on in their hearts. (Read here for several recent examples of Muslims living for years at peace and in friendship with non-Muslims, but then violently turning on them once they became stronger.)

Because enmity for non-Muslims is so ironclad in the Koran, mainstream Islamic teaching holds that Muslim men must even hate—and show that they hate—their non-Muslim wives, for no other reason than that they are “infidels.”
Trump's 'Islam Hates Us' Returns - Raymond Ibrahim

You are badly misinformed.
Jews do believe in Allah.
Allah is not a name, but just the word for God.
And Jews and Muslims share the same Old Testament, as well as the same God.
Yahweh is Allah.

If you knew any history, you would know that it was the Jewish tribes who were forced to leave Palestine by the Romans, who supported and fought for Mohammed.
The Jews were Mohammed's main allies.

Moslems do not consider Jews or Christians to be nonbelievers or infidels.
And by the way, infidel means one lacking in fidelity, which means a traitor, not an unbeliever.
If you actually read the Quran, it says that Judaism and Christianity are Brothers of the Book, and an equally valid means to heaven. The Quran also says there can be no compulsion over religion.

Please just go away.


Your posts lower the average IQ of those in the thread by 50 points.

You are badly misinformed.
You have never read the Quran or any history on Judaism or Islam.
You are relying on distorted propaganda.

Here is an example of the truth, that Jews were Mohammed's original supporters and allies at Medina.
Muhammad in Medina - Wikipedia
{...
Among the things Muhammad did in order to settle the longstanding grievances among the tribes of Medina was drafting a document known as the Constitution of Medina (date debated), "establishing a kind of alliance or federation" among the eight Medinan tribes and Muslim emigrants from Mecca, which specified the rights and duties of all citizens and the relationship of the different communities in Medina (including that of the Muslim community to other communities specifically the Jews and other "Peoples of the Book").[1][2] The community defined in the Constitution of Medina, umma, had a religious outlook but was also shaped by the practical considerations and substantially preserved the legal forms of the old Arab tribes.[3] Muhammad also adopted some features of the Jewish worship and customs such as fasting on the Yom Kippur day. According to Alford Welch, the Jewish practice of having three daily prayer rituals appears to have been a factor in the introduction of the Islamic midday prayer (previously Muhammad was keeping the morning and evening prayers). Welch thinks that Muhammad's adoption of facing north towards Jerusalem when performing the daily prayers (qibla) however need not to necessarily be a borrowing from the Jews as the reports about the direction of prayer before migration to Medina are contradictory and further this direction of prayer was also practiced among other groups in Arabia.
...}

Get lost.....and wipe the drool off your chin.

 

[Rigby5]

I asked Sunni Man only because of his apparent hatred for Jews,

I do not hate Jews. They are a very inventive and clever people.

My beef is with the apartheid, terrorist state Israel. ...

Lets be honest, terrorism runs deep on both sides. I don't care about "who did what first". Both are guilty. The only way Israel will cease to exist is if they were to lose a war and had their lands completely occupied and under the rule of the victors.

So a different, peaceful, solution must be worked on.

No, terrorism is all on the Zionist side.
What you forget is that Zionist chased the Moslem off their land and out of their homes, and by law they must be returned.
That Israel does not allow the right of return to Arab refugees who fled the 1948 violence, is an on going war crime.
It is not illegal or unjust to punish those Zionists responsible for currently preventing Arabs from returning to their homes.
It is the Israeli IDF that is guilty of all the terrorism.
Palestinians shooting off a rocket in retribution for the Israeli murder of a Palestinian politician in his home, is not terrorism.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel isn't going away and neither is Palestine. So, if both sides would acknowledge each other's existence and try to come together to work out their differences then there might just be peace in the Middle East.

You are quite the optimist.

A deeper knowledge may disabuse you of same.


"The hate, rather, is a direct byproduct of mainstream Islamic teaching—and has been for nearly fourteen centuries. According to the ancient Islamic doctrine of al-wal’a wa al-bara’, or “loyalty and enmity”—which is well grounded in Islamic scriptures, well sponsored by Islamic authorities, and well manifested all throughout Islamic history and contemporary affairs—Muslims must hate and oppose everyone who is not Muslim, including family members. (The importance of this doctrine is such that al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri wrote a nearly 60 page treatise on al-wal’a wa al-bara’ in The Al Qaeda Reader, pp. 63-115.)

Koran 60:4 is the cornerstone verse of this doctrine and speaks for itself: “You [Muslims] have a good example in Abraham and those who followed him, for they said to their people, ‘We disown you and the idols which you worship besides Allah. We renounce you: enmity and hate shall reign between us until you believe in Allah alone’” (Koran 60:4, emphasis added).

Koran 58:22 praises Muslims who fight and kill their own non-Muslim family members: “You shall find none who believe in Allah and the Last Day on friendly terms with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger—even if they be their fathers, their sons, their brothers, or their nearest kindred.”

According to standard Islamic exegesis, this verse refers to a number of Muslims who slaughtered their own non-Muslim kin (one slew his non-Muslim father, another his non-Muslim brother, a third—Abu Bakr, the first revered caliph of Islamic history—tried to slay his non-Muslim son, and Omar, the second righteous caliph, slaughtered his relatives). Popular commentator Ibn Kathir wrote that Allah was immensely pleased by their unwavering zeal for his cause and rewarded them with paradise.

In fact, verses that support the divisive doctrine of “loyalty and enmity” permeate the Koran (see also 4:89, 4:144, 5:51, 5:54, 6:40, 9:23, and 60:1). There is one caveat, captured by Koran 3:28: when Muslims are in a position of weakness, they may pretend to befriend non-Muslims, as long as the hate carries on in their hearts. (Read here for several recent examples of Muslims living for years at peace and in friendship with non-Muslims, but then violently turning on them once they became stronger.)

Because enmity for non-Muslims is so ironclad in the Koran, mainstream Islamic teaching holds that Muslim men must even hate—and show that they hate—their non-Muslim wives, for no other reason than that they are “infidels.”
Trump's 'Islam Hates Us' Returns - Raymond Ibrahim

You are badly misinformed.
Jews do believe in Allah.
Allah is not a name, but just the word for God.
And Jews and Muslims share the same Old Testament, as well as the same God.
Yahweh is Allah.

If you knew any history, you would know that it was the Jewish tribes who were forced to leave Palestine by the Romans, who supported and fought for Mohammed.
The Jews were Mohammed's main allies.

Moslems do not consider Jews or Christians to be nonbelievers or infidels.
And by the way, infidel means one lacking in fidelity, which means a traitor, not an unbeliever.
If you actually read the Quran, it says that Judaism and Christianity are Brothers of the Book, and an equally valid means to heaven. The Quran also says there can be no compulsion over religion.

Please just go away.


Your posts lower the average IQ of those in the thread by 50 points.

You are badly misinformed.
You have never read the Quran or any history on Judaism or Islam.
You are relying on distorted propaganda.

Here is an example of the truth, that Jews were Mohammed's original supporters and allies at Medina.
Muhammad in Medina - Wikipedia
{...
Among the things Muhammad did in order to settle the longstanding grievances among the tribes of Medina was drafting a document known as the Constitution of Medina (date debated), "establishing a kind of alliance or federation" among the eight Medinan tribes and Muslim emigrants from Mecca, which specified the rights and duties of all citizens and the relationship of the different communities in Medina (including that of the Muslim community to other communities specifically the Jews and other "Peoples of the Book").[1][2] The community defined in the Constitution of Medina, umma, had a religious outlook but was also shaped by the practical considerations and substantially preserved the legal forms of the old Arab tribes.[3] Muhammad also adopted some features of the Jewish worship and customs such as fasting on the Yom Kippur day. According to Alford Welch, the Jewish practice of having three daily prayer rituals appears to have been a factor in the introduction of the Islamic midday prayer (previously Muhammad was keeping the morning and evening prayers). Welch thinks that Muhammad's adoption of facing north towards Jerusalem when performing the daily prayers (qibla) however need not to necessarily be a borrowing from the Jews as the reports about the direction of prayer before migration to Medina are contradictory and further this direction of prayer was also practiced among other groups in Arabia.
...}

Get lost.....and wipe the drool off your chin.

If you actually ever tried to learn anything about Islam, you would find that it is just a slightly reformed version of Judaism, only where women have slightly greater rights, considered to have souls, can divorce, inherit, vote, and other improvements.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

I asked Sunni Man only because of his apparent hatred for Jews,

I do not hate Jews. They are a very inventive and clever people.

My beef is with the apartheid, terrorist state Israel. ...

Lets be honest, terrorism runs deep on both sides. I don't care about "who did what first". Both are guilty. The only way Israel will cease to exist is if they were to lose a war and had their lands completely occupied and under the rule of the victors.

So a different, peaceful, solution must be worked on.

No, terrorism is all on the Zionist side.
What you forget is that Zionist chased the Moslem off their land and out of their homes, and by law they must be returned.
That Israel does not allow the right of return to Arab refugees who fled the 1948 violence, is an on going war crime.
It is not illegal or unjust to punish those Zionists responsible for currently preventing Arabs from returning to their homes.
It is the Israeli IDF that is guilty of all the terrorism.
Palestinians shooting off a rocket in retribution for the Israeli murder of a Palestinian politician in his home, is not terrorism.

As I said, who started what no longer matters. Keeping the hate alive will forever doom any chance at a true solution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A question no Democrat/Obama supporter has ever been able to answer:
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?




10. "...Robert Malley, the former senior White House official who served as point man for President Barack Obama’s realignment strategy, published an essay in Foreign Affairs titled “The Unwanted Wars: Why the Middle East Is More Combustible Than Ever,” in which he laid out what he sees as the future of Obama’s foreign policy legacy.

Obama’s core vision for the region. The goal of achieving “balance” in America’s posture in the Middle East is how Obama presented his strategy of realigning American interests with Iran. For Obama, it was not in America’s interest to lead a regional alliance system which stands in opposition to Iran, and which therefore threatens to move the U.S. closer to war. Rebalancing away from traditional allies means moving closer to Iran, and away from the security architecture in which America had formerly been invested.

What America should, and must, do when confronted with such a tinderbox is obvious: backpedal away, fast, while kicking our former allies in the region to the curb, hard."
Malley in Wonderland





Iran??? A military power with the political views of Nazi Germany?

This was Obama's plan: provide 7th century barbarians with nuclear weapons????

After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"





There are only two possible explanations:
a. a visceral hatred of America and Western Civilization

b. his admission that he never abandoned the Muslim faith of his childhood.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I asked Sunni Man only because of his apparent hatred for Jews,

I do not hate Jews. They are a very inventive and clever people.

My beef is with the apartheid, terrorist state Israel. ...

Lets be honest, terrorism runs deep on both sides. I don't care about "who did what first". Both are guilty. The only way Israel will cease to exist is if they were to lose a war and had their lands completely occupied and under the rule of the victors.

So a different, peaceful, solution must be worked on.

No, terrorism is all on the Zionist side.
What you forget is that Zionist chased the Moslem off their land and out of their homes, and by law they must be returned.
That Israel does not allow the right of return to Arab refugees who fled the 1948 violence, is an on going war crime.
It is not illegal or unjust to punish those Zionists responsible for currently preventing Arabs from returning to their homes.
It is the Israeli IDF that is guilty of all the terrorism.
Palestinians shooting off a rocket in retribution for the Israeli murder of a Palestinian politician in his home, is not terrorism.

As I said, who started what no longer matters. Keeping the hate alive will forever doom any chance at a true solution.

And you are still just as wrong as when you said it earlier.

One should always hate evil.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

And you are still just as wrong as when you said it earlier.

One should always hate evil.

You're guaranteeing there will never be peace then. If that's the case then, as I said earlier, start the war and winner take all. That's the only option left.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And you are still just as wrong as when you said it earlier.

One should always hate evil.

You're guaranteeing there will never be peace then. If that's the case then, as I said earlier, start the war and winner take all. That's the only option left.

In your view, then, we should have simply turned Hawaii over to the Japanese.

Grow a spine: learn to stand up to evil rather than give in to it.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

In your view, then, we should have simply turned Hawaii over to the Japanese.

Grow a spine: learn to stand up to evil rather than give in to it.

Gee, when did I ever believe that? Oh, i know, NEVER.

You're being immature now trying to compare apples and oranges, or if you prefer, set up a straw man argument.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In your view, then, we should have simply turned Hawaii over to the Japanese.

Grow a spine: learn to stand up to evil rather than give in to it.

Gee, when did I ever believe that? Oh, i know, NEVER.

You're being immature now trying to compare apples and oranges, or if you prefer, set up a straw man argument.

Israel is an ally, it shares our views of humanity and of democracy, as well as the Judeo-Christian faith our nation was founded on.

Half a century ago there were Americans who shared your lack of commitment, and they carried signs "Better Red Than Dead."

There is no basis for hand-wringing demand for compromise you desire.



You need to study history in general and that of Islam specifically.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

Oh I have. You are correct that Israel is our ally, for the reasons you stated. I support alliance with Israel and always have.

BUT, that has nothing to do with working towards an Israeli - Palestinian permanent peace. And it's up to those two groups to set aside their hate and work together for a solution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh I have. You are correct that Israel is our ally, for the reasons you stated. I support alliance with Israel and always have.

BUT, that has nothing to do with working towards an Israeli - Palestinian permanent peace. And it's up to those two groups to set aside their hate and work together for a solution.

Isn't it clear to you that the Palestinians want no peace other than the destruction of Israel?

There is no such 'hatred' from Israel. They have over a million Arab citizens, have given resources and funds to the Palestinians, and if the savagery would cease there would be 'peace.'

Currently there is no partner for peace and the both Obama and Carter have done noting but throw gasoline on the fire.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. Trump’s “Iran policy—no nukes ever—requires the time and leverage earned through re-election, Team Iran’s strategy is premised on the belief that Trump will be gone by 2020. Previously, American interlocutors like former Secretary of State John Kerry counseled their Iranian counterparts to be patient. Last week’s attacks suggest Tehran believes it can force the issue by putting Trump in front of a series of hard choices.

Team Iran wants Trump to relieve sanctions on Iran, and/or green-light the French initiative extending Tehran a $15 billion line of credit, which would likely unravel sanctions.”
Team Iran



Now, those oblivious Democrat voters….

“The susceptibility of these audiences to disinformation thanks to their own biases, including their unbridled hatred for Trump,…. Team Iran propaganda typically manipulates the language of democracy, liberalism, and human rights to drive up negatives for traditional US allies and make Iran look at least ok by comparison, even while it works on behalf of a terror-sponsoring theocracy that stuffs hundreds of thousands of its own citizens into dungeons and torture chambers for speech and thought-crimes.” Ibid.




A question no Democrat/Obama supporter has ever been able to answer:
What benefit did America, or the world, accrue by Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?