Trump: “America First”....Democrats: ‘Mexico First’

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) There is no such word as “irregardless"

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#2) No. For example if we buy corn from Mexico but Mexico buys rubber from France we can force Mexico to buy rubber from us or increase the price of corn to shorten the deficit. This was Trump's plan with many of our trade deals. He thought it was unfair that we imported so much but did not export enough.

okay...

#3) If Mexico buys more goods from us then companies will produce more, higher more people and generate higher profits, all would be tax revenue.

“higher more people” LOL. I guess you mean “hire more people”?

That would be great.

Perhaps you can tell us; as of 1/15/2019; through this new NAFTA trade deal, how much has Mexico contributed to the US Treasury?

Yes hire, my bad. As I said I am not sure that is a great plan but that was his plan. A Wall is a permanent structure so if Mexico pays for it over 20 years via the improved trade deals (which again I am not certain will work) then effectively Mexico would have paid for the Wall. That was his plan. He never said Mexico would write a check, LOL.


Many scholars maintain there is no such word as irregardless because regardless already means “without regard.” The -ir prefix is redundant.

As soon as we get the 20 years of payments from Mexico, we can start building the wall. You don’t want to put more money on the nation’s credit card and increase the debt do you?

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Stop buying Chinese garbage. Problem solved.

people like golf gator are not able to grasp that simple concept, they only look at the bottom line price to them, people like him are why there are walmarts selling tons of Chinese crap.

I buy the best combination of price and quality. I do not give a fuck where it is made.

I bet you have a Chinese made cellphone..you lying hypocrite.

If you're interested in quality, China ain't it.
And I believe most Samsung phones are made in S. Korea.

Only 8% of Samsung phones are made in SK. Over 50% are made in Vietnam. There are more Samsung phones made in China than in SK. Samsung has factories in Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, and South Korea. If you are really lucky, you might get a phone made in SK but likely as not, you are going to get one from one of the Junk Factories. And this applies to MOST imported products.

 

[eagle1462010]

Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0X1UBe_mjKO0hTdapH7PsB

 

[candycorn]

when car manufacturers brought plants back from mexico, the salaries being taxed on the workers employed was a gain in revenue and a loss to Mexico.

If the happened, that is true; that does mean more tax revenue for the US and less for Mexico. But US workers being taxed isn’t Mexico paying for anything. Not sure what the big mystery about that is but for some reason…you refuse to see it.

BTW, incoming tariffs are paid by US companies not Mexico. So not spending money on tariffs actual give business money to hire, more employees, more tax revenue, and fewer welfare payments or unemployment money.

Yep…businesses get to keep the money. The tariffs they would pay would be paid to the US Government.

So businesses getting to keep more money doesn’t pay for a wall.

You’re 0 for 2.

 

[candycorn]

The Wall was going to be paid for by fixing the trade deficit. Whether that is feasible IDK but currently the deficit with Mexico ~$60Bn if we can get it down to $30Bn then Mexico would have effectively paid for the Wall. That was his plan. I don't know if he can execute. This is not about the "Wall" anyway this is about the Democrats trying to show that the GOP does not keep its campaign promises so that they may use that against them in the 2020 election.

I believe both parties agree that we have an issue at the border. But the Democrats will never agree to a wall because it was Trump's signature when running. This is 100% political and politicians on both sides could not care less about the people in the US, IMO.

No, what that would mean is that the US Consumers bought less from Mexico than they did in the past. That doesn’t mean that the US Consumers are spending more on American goods.

Irregardless, the less trade with foreign nations means less revenue for the US government because you can’t tax what isn’t shipped.

Additionally whatever is purchased by American consumers is taxed at the local and state level; none of that tax money goes to the Federal Government for a wall appropriation.

#1) There is no such word as “irregardless"

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#2) No. For example if we buy corn from Mexico but Mexico buys rubber from France we can force Mexico to buy rubber from us or increase the price of corn to shorten the deficit. This was Trump's plan with many of our trade deals. He thought it was unfair that we imported so much but did not export enough.

okay...

#3) If Mexico buys more goods from us then companies will produce more, higher more people and generate higher profits, all would be tax revenue.

“higher more people” LOL. I guess you mean “hire more people”?

That would be great.

Perhaps you can tell us; as of 1/15/2019; through this new NAFTA trade deal, how much has Mexico contributed to the US Treasury?

whatever the deficit is with mexico, and it is down from what it was. It has to be, we are importing less.

The less we import; the less we tax. True?

 

[candycorn]

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okay...

“higher more people” LOL. I guess you mean “hire more people”?

That would be great.

Perhaps you can tell us; as of 1/15/2019; through this new NAFTA trade deal, how much has Mexico contributed to the US Treasury?

Yes hire, my bad. As I said I am not sure that is a great plan but that was his plan. A Wall is a permanent structure so if Mexico pays for it over 20 years via the improved trade deals (which again I am not certain will work) then effectively Mexico would have paid for the Wall. That was his plan. He never said Mexico would write a check, LOL.


Many scholars maintain there is no such word as irregardless because regardless already means “without regard.” The -ir prefix is redundant.

As soon as we get the 20 years of payments from Mexico, we can start building the wall. You don’t want to put more money on the nation’s credit card and increase the debt do you?

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump-Russia First

the Liberals-America First

Liberals - Central America first

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes hire, my bad. As I said I am not sure that is a great plan but that was his plan. A Wall is a permanent structure so if Mexico pays for it over 20 years via the improved trade deals (which again I am not certain will work) then effectively Mexico would have paid for the Wall. That was his plan. He never said Mexico would write a check, LOL.


Many scholars maintain there is no such word as irregardless because regardless already means “without regard.” The -ir prefix is redundant.

As soon as we get the 20 years of payments from Mexico, we can start building the wall. You don’t want to put more money on the nation’s credit card and increase the debt do you?

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

Democrats don't want it because it was Trump's idea. If HRC (if she were POTUS) wanted it and the GOP controlled the House then they would say it is a dumb idea. This is 100% political and has nothing to do with protecting our borders. You missed THAT point. Our Congress needs to be revamped completely with logical people not political schills.

 

[Pilot1]

A wall is a real deterrent to these criminals, drug dealers, and potential terrorists. It is one of the tools to stop this illegal invasion, and a small price to pay to help secure the safety, and security of American citizens. Why do Democrats pick illegals over citizens always?

 

[eagle1462010]

Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0X1UBe_mjKO0hTdapH7PsB

My phone is acting up. Can someone quote the exact words of Trump on Mexico paying for thw wall.

 

[candycorn]

As soon as we get the 20 years of payments from Mexico, we can start building the wall. You don’t want to put more money on the nation’s credit card and increase the debt do you?

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

Democrats don't want it because it was Trump's idea. If HRC (if she were POTUS) wanted it and the GOP controlled the House then they would say it is a dumb idea. This is 100% political and has nothing to do with protecting our borders. You missed THAT point. Our Congress needs to be revamped completely with logical people not political schills.

That it’s a political football at this point is true; what in Washington isn’t?

One does have to wonder why in 2017 and 2018, the GOP didn’t ram through the funding when they had all 3 necessary components? One does have to wonder why the Trump administration didn’t push harder for this.

 

[eagle1462010]

As soon as we get the 20 years of payments from Mexico, we can start building the wall. You don’t want to put more money on the nation’s credit card and increase the debt do you?

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

Democrats don't want it because it was Trump's idea. If HRC (if she were POTUS) wanted it and the GOP controlled the House then they would say it is a dumb idea. This is 100% political and has nothing to do with protecting our borders. You missed THAT point. Our Congress needs to be revamped completely with logical people not political schills.

They dont want it period. Why they only spent 2.3 billion on the 2006 Fence Act in 10 years

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

Democrats don't want it because it was Trump's idea. If HRC (if she were POTUS) wanted it and the GOP controlled the House then they would say it is a dumb idea. This is 100% political and has nothing to do with protecting our borders. You missed THAT point. Our Congress needs to be revamped completely with logical people not political schills.

That it’s a political football at this point is true; what in Washington isn’t?

One does have to wonder why in 2017 and 2018, the GOP didn’t ram through the funding when they had all 3 necessary components? One does have to wonder why the Trump administration didn’t push harder for this.

You made my point again. Because Politicians are self serving bad people (not all). We need a complete overhaul. Those Kavanaugh hearings were yet another example. If the Dems controlled the Senate and wanted him the GOP would find outrageous claims against him. The war between GOP and Democrats has never been more evident and the country has never been more divided. They don't care about the people only about themselves. Congress should have term limits. Trump is not a politician and is trying to run this country like a large corporation but corporations for the most part are logical and profit oriented. The country is neither logical nor profit oriented so Trump is struggling to implement his strategies (not saying they would be effective as it is tbd) and failing due to the great divide that we have. Due to the religious fanatics and Alt Right on one side and Progressive Leftists and Socialists on the other side, we moderates/Independents are left out in the cold. Time for a 3rd party.

 

[candycorn]

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

Democrats don't want it because it was Trump's idea. If HRC (if she were POTUS) wanted it and the GOP controlled the House then they would say it is a dumb idea. This is 100% political and has nothing to do with protecting our borders. You missed THAT point. Our Congress needs to be revamped completely with logical people not political schills.

That it’s a political football at this point is true; what in Washington isn’t?

One does have to wonder why in 2017 and 2018, the GOP didn’t ram through the funding when they had all 3 necessary components? One does have to wonder why the Trump administration didn’t push harder for this.

You made my point again. Because Politicians are self serving bad people (not all). We need a complete overhaul. Those Kavanaugh hearings were yet another example. If the Dems controlled the Senate and wanted him the GOP would find outrageous claims against him. The war between GOP and Democrats has never been more evident and the country has never been more divided. They don't care about the people only about themselves. Congress should have term limits. Trump is not a politician and is trying to run this country like a large corporation but corporations for the most part are logical and profit oriented. The country is neither logical nor profit oriented so Trump is struggling to implement his strategies (not saying they would be effective as it is tbd) and failing due to the great divide that we have. Due to the religious fanatics and Alt Right on one side and Progressive Leftists and Socialists on the other side, we moderates/Independents are left out in the cold. Time for a 3rd party.

ok

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Wall was going to be paid for by fixing the trade deficit. Whether that is feasible IDK but currently the deficit with Mexico ~$60Bn if we can get it down to $30Bn then Mexico would have effectively paid for the Wall. That was his plan.

This makes no sense. The trade deficit between countries is not between the two governments but between private individuals and private companies.

A smaller trade deficit does not mean a single extra dime in the government coffers.


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[jc456]

If the free market was totally open on a world wide basis, then workers in the US would see their pay reduced to $5/day or less in order to compete with Chinese child labor. OR, American companies would close and everything would be made in china. How exactly would that help americans? We cannot compete with most of the world on an hourly rate basis, everyone knows that. Tariffs keep America on an equal footing, but like most liberals, you seem to want this country to fail. I don't understand that.

Your argument failed just as soon as you typed "Like Most Liberals" and hit send.

So it should have been "all liberals"? Dumbass.

And I should listen to you why? Your partisanship seems to override your ability to discuss issues. Too bad. Have a nice day, cupcake.

That was a question, dumbass. Maybe you ought to work on your reading comprehension.

My My, do you get a bit testing when called on? If I piss off both sides of a single issue then I am probably on the right track. Consider yourself pissed off. Now to piss off the other side. It's a job but someone has to do it.

BTW, it's 'testy' gd I hate it when people can't get the expression correct, now 'make like a tree and get out of here'!! Quote from Back to the Future.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The Wall was going to be paid for by fixing the trade deficit. Whether that is feasible IDK but currently the deficit with Mexico ~$60Bn if we can get it down to $30Bn then Mexico would have effectively paid for the Wall. That was his plan.

This makes no sense. The trade deficit between countries is not between the two governments but between private individuals and private companies.

A smaller trade deficit does not mean a single extra dime in the government coffers.


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Incorrect. Keep reading the rest of the thread.

 

[jc456]

when car manufacturers brought plants back from mexico, the salaries being taxed on the workers employed was a gain in revenue and a loss to Mexico.

If the happened, that is true; that does mean more tax revenue for the US and less for Mexico. But US workers being taxed isn’t Mexico paying for anything. Not sure what the big mystery about that is but for some reason…you refuse to see it.

BTW, incoming tariffs are paid by US companies not Mexico. So not spending money on tariffs actual give business money to hire, more employees, more tax revenue, and fewer welfare payments or unemployment money.

Yep…businesses get to keep the money. The tariffs they would pay would be paid to the US Government.

So businesses getting to keep more money doesn’t pay for a wall.

You’re 0 for 2.

sure it is, all the money made after trump made all of the deals is paying for mexico or some other project.

 

[candycorn]

when car manufacturers brought plants back from mexico, the salaries being taxed on the workers employed was a gain in revenue and a loss to Mexico.

If the happened, that is true; that does mean more tax revenue for the US and less for Mexico. But US workers being taxed isn’t Mexico paying for anything. Not sure what the big mystery about that is but for some reason…you refuse to see it.

BTW, incoming tariffs are paid by US companies not Mexico. So not spending money on tariffs actual give business money to hire, more employees, more tax revenue, and fewer welfare payments or unemployment money.

Yep…businesses get to keep the money. The tariffs they would pay would be paid to the US Government.

So businesses getting to keep more money doesn’t pay for a wall.

You’re 0 for 2.

sure it is, all the money made after trump made all of the deals is paying for mexico or some other project.

So, again,

you’ve brought up the “deals”

How much have we made from the new NAFTA deal as of 1/15/19? Just give us a round number

 

[jc456]

Yes hire, my bad. As I said I am not sure that is a great plan but that was his plan. A Wall is a permanent structure so if Mexico pays for it over 20 years via the improved trade deals (which again I am not certain will work) then effectively Mexico would have paid for the Wall. That was his plan. He never said Mexico would write a check, LOL.


Many scholars maintain there is no such word as irregardless because regardless already means “without regard.” The -ir prefix is redundant.

As soon as we get the 20 years of payments from Mexico, we can start building the wall. You don’t want to put more money on the nation’s credit card and increase the debt do you?

Do I? No. Our politicans do, however. Started with Bush, gone on steroids by Obama and continued by Trump. They are very bad. VERY BAD. Congress needs a complete overhaul.

So we agree; once we get the money, build the wall then. Great.

If we had the money the politicians still would not agree to build it. You missed my point entirely.

What point was that? The point that the wall is a dumb idea relative to the immigration issue? You’re right, politicians would not agree to build it. Dumb ideas shouldn’t get funded.

the wall is an outstanding idea, and everyone of those political mther fkers wanted the wall. the fact you ignore that is just evidence you are a leftist parrot who can't be honest. wow, go figure.