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[JakeStarkey]

Stay on track and don't deflect.

If you use words demeaning to sex, to race, to ethnicity, to origin, etc., you are wrong, period.

I would like to see a link to the post where Divecon was being a racist. I have never known Divecon to be racist.

I was not talking about Divecon on the issue of race or sex.

His issue is deeply-seated wrong understanding of America and its culture, in my opinion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

cad, you must be a liberal, never answering but always asking questions.

Of course it makes you a sexist.

very socratic of me,no?

i forgot, what question did you ask me that i haven't answered?

so i guess virtually every man in america and throughout the world is a woman-hater?

sorry, another damn question.

I did not ask a question.

You did.



Nice try.

 

[cad]

how can i answer something i haven't been asked?
oh i forgot, i'm not offering enough solutions to sastisfy jake.

i'll go back to my cave and stop taking up your oxygen.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nah, you need to breathe, cad. Read the entire thread, please, and then get back to us.

 

[cad]

no thanks.

the only issue i took with you was when you said saying "bad words" makes one a racist/sexist.

i think that's absolutely inccorect.

you said all men who have ever called a woman a bitch are sexist. i think that's absurd, you don't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yeah, they do. Say at work, and I will fire you. Say at school, I will send you for sensitivity training: if you don't get it, I will expel you as a student or fire you as a staff or faculty member. Say in the military I will give you nonjudicial punishment.

That you don't think it is wrong is completely immaterial.

 

[cad]

Yeah, they do. Say at work, and I will fire you. Say at school, I will send you for sensitivity training: if you don't get it, I will expel you as a student or fire you as a staff or faculty member. Say in the military I will give you nonjudicial punishment.

That you don't think it is wrong is completely immaterial.

i don't know if that was in response to my last post, but i'll assume it is (please correct me if i'm wrong)

if i ever said calling people names doesn't have consequences, that was a great response.

but since i didn't, i fail to see the point you were making. great redirection.

again, if you were responding to another post, i apologize. i'm sure you were making a great point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It is a great point. And to use it is wrong. Using it is either, almost always, going to be either internal or external oppression.

 

[cad]

It is a great point. And to use it is wrong. Using it is either, almost always, going to be either internal or external oppression.

so you backtracked from saying using a bad word makes you a racist/misogynist to using a bad word is wrong and can get you in trouble.

thank you for that clarification and for making a more sensible argument.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You can't trap me in what I did not do. My best advice to you: don't use the words. If you don't understand, certainly don't use the words. If you do understand (and refuse to admit it), then you are in a small minority that is vanishing. That's a good thing.

 

[cad]

i'll begin where i entered the conversation
jake:"You use the words, you are a racist, period. If you use the words, you are a racist."
I said, using the words doesn't mean you're a racist.
You, slyly, came back with a completely different argument:" If you use words demeaning to sex, to race, to ethnicity, to origin, etc., you are wrong, period."
You than wrote:"That you don't think it is wrong is completely immaterial."
Of course, I never said that I don't think using demeaning words isn't wrong. I simply said using certain words doesn't mean you're a racist, sexist, etc..which was your original point.

So in conclusion, you made two very different claims
(1) using demeaning words means makes you a racist
(2) using demeaning words is wrong

Where did i go wrong? please feel free to correct me. and try to be a little less condescending, and skip the advice. oh, and don't tell me i said things i didn't.

 

[DiveCon]

Stay on track and don't deflect.

If you use words demeaning to sex, to race, to ethnicity, to origin, etc., you are wrong, period.

I would like to see a link to the post where Divecon was being a racist. I have never known Divecon to be racist.

I was not talking about Divecon on the issue of race or sex.

His issue is deeply-seated wrong understanding of America and its culture, in my opinion.

you did so say that about me you fucking LIAR

 

[cad]

is this commonplace for jake to change arguments and to claim you made statements that you actually didn't?

 

[DiveCon]

is this commonplace for jake to change arguments and to claim you made statements that you actually didn't?

yes

 

[JakeStarkey]

cad, you changed the premise, and I refused to go along.

Don't use the words, whether you understand or not.

Now move along.

 

[cad]

cad, you changed the premise, and I refused to go along.

Don't use the words, whether you understand or not.

Now move along.

understand what?

i did change the premise when i asked the socialist question. which of course you dismissed in your normal condescending way. then i brought it back to issues of race/sex. does calling a woman a bitch make a man a woman-hater? you replied yes. you seemed to be going along fine with it.

you then went on to make an unrelated point about how using mean words is wrong. thanks, i didn't realize that.

using bad words is "wrong" and can get you fired from your job. using bad words does not make you a racist/misogynist.

but according to you it does, and as always, i bow to your superior intellect and reasoning skills. i guess i should just take your advice and move along. DiveCon, you should just move along as well. jake said you're a racist. it's over.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, cad, I did not change the premise.

Cad, listen carefully. Look at me. Look in my eyes. Good. Good. Now listen: don't use the words.

 

[DiveCon]

No, cad, I did not change the premise.

Cad, listen carefully. Look at me. Look in my eyes. Good. Good. Now listen: don't use the words.

WHO DID???

asshole

 

[cad]

No, cad, I did not change the premise.

Cad, listen carefully. Look at me. Look in my eyes. Good. Good. Now listen: don't use the words.

jake, i really thought you were better than this.

did i ever say to use the words? did i ever condone using the words? did i ever promote using the words? THAT'S NOT THE POINT!!

because i am doing such a horrible job explaining myself, i'll ask you. what point was i making? what was the first thing i said to you? or even better, what was your original premise? from what i understand, it was using certain words makes you a racist. am i wrong?

 

[JakeStarkey]

no, cad, you don't get to change the premise to suit you.

I don't care if you don't understand.

Trust me when I say don't use the words.

Good night.