Torture?

[PatekPhilippe]

And neither do murderers and rapists and yet we are not allowed to torture them either. So your position is that anyone labeled as a terrorist can be tortured anyway the Rabi chooses?

Murderers and rapists are protected by the Constitution. Terrorists are not.
Yes, my position is that any method that will elicit information to save American lives is valid against people who do not adhere to the laws of warfare.

Didn't we declare a "WAR ON DRUGS"? If so then I guess since drug dealers don't wear UNIFORMS then they have no RIGHT to be treated humanly? What a stupid fucking argument you put forth.

What a stupid analogy you have made.....
The dfference is the, as you put it, "War on Drugs" is a function of domestic law enforcement and therefore different rules apply.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Murderers and rapists are protected by the Constitution. Terrorists are not.
Yes, my position is that any method that will elicit information to save American lives is valid against people who do not adhere to the laws of warfare.

Didn't we declare a "WAR ON DRUGS"? If so then I guess since drug dealers don't wear UNIFORMS then they have no RIGHT to be treated humanly? What a stupid fucking argument you put forth.

What a stupid analogy you have made.....
The dfference is the, as you put it, "War on Drugs" is a function of domestic law enforcement and therefore different rules apply.

BULLSHIT the "war" on drugs crosses MULTIPLE boarders.

 

[The Rabbi]

bullshit the "war" on drugs crosses multiple boarders.

repel all boarders!!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I beleive we need to protect ALL of our borders. All FOUR and yes there ARE FOUR. We need to fund the Coast Guard WAY BETTER and we need to have WAY better inspection of incoming freight. If we DON'T then we WILL have another attack within our borders and we WILL lose the "WAR" on drugs.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Didn't we declare a "WAR ON DRUGS"? If so then I guess since drug dealers don't wear UNIFORMS then they have no RIGHT to be treated humanly? What a stupid fucking argument you put forth.

What a stupid analogy you have made.....
The dfference is the, as you put it, "War on Drugs" is a function of domestic law enforcement and therefore different rules apply.

BULLSHIT the "war" on drugs crosses MULTIPLE boarders.

Uhhhhhh....we know that. The operative words here are "function" and "law enforcement".

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I beleive we need to protect ALL of our borders. All FOUR and yes there ARE FOUR. We need to fund the Coast Guard WAY BETTER and we need to have WAY better inspection of incoming freight. If we DON'T then we WILL have another attack within our borders and we WILL lose the "WAR" on drugs.

Here is another example of misinformation being disseminated by the MSM and various political groups.

Our cargo arriving in the U.S.A. isn't inspected.

For the umpteenth time....all cargo containers that come into the United States are sent from certain hubs around the world. In those trans-shipment points there are DoJ/TSA personnel that inspect the majority of containers before they're loaded onto a U.S. bound ship. I know...I applied for the container inspectors job in Lam Chabong Thailand but since they don't take lateral transfers from DoD to DHS I didn't get the job.

 

[Intense]

I beleive we need to protect ALL of our borders. All FOUR and yes there ARE FOUR. We need to fund the Coast Guard WAY BETTER and we need to have WAY better inspection of incoming freight. If we DON'T then we WILL have another attack within our borders and we WILL lose the "WAR" on drugs.

I think you should switch Avatars with Ravi.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I beleive we need to protect ALL of our borders. All FOUR and yes there ARE FOUR. We need to fund the Coast Guard WAY BETTER and we need to have WAY better inspection of incoming freight. If we DON'T then we WILL have another attack within our borders and we WILL lose the "WAR" on drugs.

Here is another example of misinformation being disseminated by the MSM and various political groups.

Our cargo arriving in the U.S.A. isn't inspected.

For the umpteenth time....all cargo containers that come into the United States are sent from certain hubs around the world. In those trans-shipment points there are DoJ/TSA personnel that inspect the majority of containers before they're loaded onto a U.S. bound ship. I know...I applied for the container inspectors job in Lam Chabong Thailand but since they don't take lateral transfers from DoD to DHS I didn't get the job.

From your OWN words......Inspect the MAJORITY of containers. What is it you right wingers like to say. We have to be right 100% of the time the terrorists only have to be right ONCE?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

So Intense you think we need LESSER controlled boarders?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Patek....The thing is is you can get a 100 keys of coke into the country you can get a 100 keys of just about ANYTHING into the country.

 

[Intense]

So Intense you think we need LESSER controlled boarders?

No I agree that We need to Secure Our Borders. Ironic what you said about the Coast Guard and i'm thinking of It's responsibilities in Homeland Security. Do you know which President funded the Coast Guard, more than possibly all others combined? LOL

 

[Intense]

Overview
Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst natural disasters to ever strike the United States. The U.S. Coast Guard played a key role in the planning, response, and recovery efforts in three mission areas: search and rescue, marine pollution response, and the management of maritime commerce. Of the estimated 60,000 people that needed to be rescued from rooftops and flooded homes, Coast Guardsmen saved more than 33,500, including rescuing from peril 24,135 lives and evacuating 9,409 medical patients to safety. The rescue and the response efforts were some of the largest in Coast Guard history, involving units from every district as well as a total of 5,600 Coast Guardsmen.

Efforts to document the service's efforts during Katrina began almost immediately after the storm struck the Louisiana coast. The Katrina Archives and Historical Records Team (KART) was formed to capture all historically significant documentation, both written and photographic, generated during the response. Additionally, recalled Reserve and civilian personnel were deployed into the field within days of the hurricane's passage to collect oral histories from as many responders as possible. In the end, KART collected over 614 gigabytes of information as well as 240 oral histories.

We hope to post as much of that information as possible to this website. Oral histories will be added as they are corrected and approved by those interviewed. Our thanks to all Coast Guardsmen who assisted KART and the Historian's Office in preserving the Service's experiences and memories during Katrina operations.
U.S. Coast Guard & Hurricane Katrina, Historical Index

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Our Coast Guard is no where NEARLY funded well enough for the size of the coasts they patrol.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Hey I'm not saying the men and women of the Coast Guard aren't the best around I am saying that they are WOEFULLY underfunded and have out of date equipment.

 

[Intense]

Our Coast Guard is no where NEARLY funded well enough for the size of the coasts they patrol.

Agreed. They are much bigger than they were before Bush, though. Obama is more concerned with Giveaways. Few ever get into the mechanics.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/09/us/09ship.html?_r=1


Go check this out if you want to be upset.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Really Intense read the article you will be VERY concerned.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Oh Gawd,the Hopey Changeys are clearly getting desperate. Dredging up old & stale "Hate Bush" talking points? Yikes! Their Hopey Changey is failing miserably and they know it. Now they have to dredge up there tired "Blame Bush" rhetoric. Is anyone else as sick of that chit as i am? What the H*ll is "Torture" anyway? I've lost track. Anything can be called "Torture" at this point. This tired issue has been completely over-used by the "Hate Bush" crowd and i think most common sense thinking people understand this. Just another desperate attempt at distracting the people from this miserable Hopey Changey Malaise. Kind of pathetic in the end.

 

[Intense]

This is a prime example, of Government doing things better. Billions wasted and walked away with, nobody taking responsibility, red flags and reason being ignored, and we continue to pay for it. Health Care will probably turn out worse, with us sneaking over the border to Mexico, and them building fences. I'm gonna check the Coast Guard Site for more on this.



“This is the fleecing of America,” said Anthony D’Armiento, a systems engineer who has worked for Northrop and the Coast Guard on the project. “It is the worst contract arrangement I’ve seen in all my 20 plus years in naval engineering.”

Insufficient oversight by the Coast Guard resulted in the service buying some equipment it did not want and ignoring repeated warnings from its own engineers that the boats and ships were poorly designed and perhaps unsafe, the agency acknowledged. The Deepwater program’s few Congressional skeptics were outmatched by lawmakers who became enthusiastic supporters, mobilized by an aggressive lobbying campaign financed by Lockheed and Northrop.

And the contractors failed to fulfill their obligation to make sure the government got the best price, frequently steering work to their subsidiaries or business partners instead of competitors, according to government auditors and people affiliated with the program.

Even some of the smaller Deepwater projects raise questions about management. The radios placed in small, open boats were not waterproof and immediately shorted out, for example. Electronics equipment costing millions of dollars is still being installed in the new cutter, even though it will be ripped out because the Coast Guard does not want it. An order of eight small, inflatable boats cost an extra half-million dollars because the purchase passed through four layers of contractors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/09/us/09ship.html?_r=2

 

[Cold Fusion38]

WTF are you talking about?