Discussion in 'Politics' started by rayboyusmc, Oct 4, 2009.
Of course, I agree with most of this. It's my brainwashed liberal mind.
Unfortunately we live in a sound bite driven age or Obama would never have gotten the Democratic nomination let alone one the elcetion.
And the dems have traded Hubert Humphrey for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi....Daniel Patrick Moynahan for Bawney Fwank and Charlie Rangel.
Anything else new under the sun, Gomer?
The thread was killed by Dude at 9:35 0n October 4th, 2009
The Conservatives movement has been one of faux-intellectuals and anti-intellectuals. The liberal movement has had a very few true intellectuals (FDR, Keynes), but is mostly comprised of semi and/or quasi- intellectuals.
Basically, at it's core the conservative movement strives to defend the status quo (that's why they're called 'conservatives'), and to reverse any progressive changes that have been instatianted.
The problem with this is that civilization, as is today, evolved thru incremental progressive changes from primitivism. The absolute domination, thru violence and intimidation, of one group of people over all others. A hierarchial order based on slavery and a totalitarian monarchial system is as natural to mankind as a pack is to a dog.
Conservatives will lead a slow, incremental de-evolution of society back to primitivism if allowed.
On the other hand, while Liberal/progressives are constantly fighting for incremental evolutionary change, each of these changes are a social experiment and the ramifications are never fully known until they are implemented - therefore these changes are easily criticised. Often these turn out to do as much harm as good.
Democracy, inalienable human rights, government for and by the people were among the most significant of the progressive changes ever.
Yet when Democracy was first employed in ancient Athens, it was ultimately a failure as it eventually degenerated into mindless mob rule. (Recently, the support for Sarah Palin as Vice-President shows the same trend in this country).
The choice between Conservatism and Liberalism is a choice between the de-evolution vs. the evolution of society.
When has that ever happened?....Provide some unarguable examples.
There just has to be a pony in there somewhere!
The conservative movement was destroyed in 1935. Now they are part and parcel of the welfare/warfare with a theocratic twist.
The reason buckley lost it is because Vidal and he are social and itellectual equals and Bill (who I actually liked a lot) isn't used to being shown up intellectually, and not being able to play the "I'm of a higher class than you" card he so often played.
this was a far better world when people like buckley represeted the right and Vidal the left, folks.
I miss them both.
Although, I didn't vote for Sarah Palin.
Your assertion that support for Palin was tantamount to mob rule is pure nonsense, bordering on idiotcy
The conservatism of this generation, and the recent past, is dead. At least the social conservatism.
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