Torture vs Security

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    We have an ongoing debate about using waterboarding and EIT in this country, which some consider to be torture. Some on the left do not support these techniques under any circumstances, but the problem is that by eliminating these tools you could possibly not get certain information that could lead to prevention of a terrorist attack. You could discount the probability that EIT could work, but even if the possibility is slight, should we not use evry avenue available to us, including EIT?

    So, the question is, for those who would not allow EIT at all, are you willing to accept the security risk? We would never know whether or not EIT would have saved lives if an event occurs and it comes to light that a prisoner had information that might have led to prevention of the attack. But that would seem to me an acceptable chance to take. What say you?
     
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    Torture is the worst way to get information. No useful information was obtained from torture/waterboarding from the Bush admin.
     
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    Not many would argue that torture is the worst way to get information. But many former CIA directors, including Leon Panetta, have said that some information was indeed obtained as a result of EIT. Why do you discount their opinion, and what is your basis for that viewpoint?
     
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    National security does not justify the use of torture.
     
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    Leon Panetta, among others, disagrees with you.
     
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    He said waterboarding was part of “enhanced interrogation" not that it any way led to the capture of OBL. You left a lot out of that conversation.


    Officials: Waterboarding Foiled No Plot - CBS News

    Officials: Waterboarding Foiled No Plot

    When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him.

    The methods succeeded in breaking him, and the stories he told of al Qaeda terrorism plots sent CIA officers around the globe chasing leads.

    In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida - chiefly names of al Qaeda members and associates - was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.
     
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    You didn't listen do the video did you?
     
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    A) Torture absolutely works. The only questions are is can the truth be verified from bullshit and then of course the question of ethics. No question torture will get what you want to know EVERY TIME.

    B) Dubya wasn't the first President to authorize torture, and Obama won't be the last.

    Those two things are fact, deal with it.
     
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    Officials: Waterboarding Foiled No Plot - CBS News

    Officials: Waterboarding Foiled No Plot

    When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him.

    The methods succeeded in breaking him, and the stories he told of al Qaeda terrorism plots sent CIA officers around the globe chasing leads.

    In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida - chiefly names of al Qaeda members and associates - was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.
     

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