Discussion in 'Religion and Ethics' started by brokenarrow, May 5, 2011.
Would God Approve?
Probably both, and I don't know if God would approve or not.
There is an element, frequently, of revenge in proper justice.
So the dichotomy is probably a false dichotomy.
By the way, candidly, I don't care.
I wouldn't mind the moral qualms of very painfully extracting the intel possessed by a live captured Osama.
And I sure as hell don't mind that he had the roof of his noggin blown away.
Fuck him and his 72 diseased virgin goats.
Aside from the torture stuff..we agree here 100%.
Revenge would be letting the families of 9- 11stone him to death.
Justice would have been putting the fucker in a nice tall building... flooding it with heavy smoke for a good hour, thane sending a fire ball his way. His choice how to die...burn or jump.
He got off easy with a bullet to the head.
They should have used a flamethrower!
Primarily it was to stop him from being able to plan more attacks and to debilitate Al Quaeda by killing its leader. Revenge was a bonus.
Thanks for asking, yes, I approve. Carry on.
Some reporters say more than they think, generally because they are using their position on national television to muster support for an agenda. Some are equating the raid with murder, because bin Laden did not happen to be armed at the time. This is not true. I'll tell you why.
This was a military mission, not a police arrest. There are numerous military actions routinely carried out designed to kill people that are not considered murder, not even when innocent civilians are killed in the process.
A military friend of mine laid out the processes as follows:
1. Mines. We lay mines to deny the use of an area or to impede progress of movement/transportation. Mines are designed to blow up people or vehicles. We hope we kill enemy soldiers. They may or may not be armed when they are blown up. That is not an issue. Unfortunately, sometimes innocent people wander into minefields. This is especially true after the combatants have moved on and civilians move back into the area. Minefields are not considered a war crime.
2. Booby traps. We hope when we booby trap the bathroom door that bin Laden is the one who opens it. But somebody else may need to go before he does. Maybe it's the kid who delivers his groceries, since he was under self-imposed house arrest for 4 or 5 years. So far, booby traps are not a war crime.
3. Air strikes, missile attacks, artillery fire, drones. We carpet bomb huge tracts of land in the hopes of killing enemy soldiers. But we also kill goats and ducks and innocent farmrers. The use of indirect fire weapons is not a war crime.
4. Reconnaissance by fire. We are not sure who is out there but we suspect it is an armed force. We start shooting with a .50 caliber machine gun, probing areas likely to hide soldiers to see what we stir up. Based on intelligence reports, there should be a platoon of bad guys out there. But it might just be some picnickers. We won't know until we go down there after shooting the place to hell. This is not a war crime.
5. Ambush. We don't care if the bad guys are armed or not. Any enemy soldier who comes into the kill zone is going to feel the results of X and Y axes of fire. This is not a war crime.
6. Targets of opportunity. We're on patrol and see five enemy soldiers who have succumbed to the luxury of taking a bath in the river. Their clothes and weapons are on the river bank. They have put out no security, thinking they are safely behind their lines. They have no idea that we are also behind their lines. We kill them in their birthday suits and take all the documents, maps, radios, etc. There is no time for a decent burial in the tradition of their religion. This is not a war crime.
During WWII, we intercepted Japanese radio transmissions and decoded them. One such message revealed that a high ranking officer, Yamamoto, the one who had planned the Pearl Harbor raid, would be flying from one known location to another at a designated time. We sent out a squadron of planes and shot him down. He may have been armed, or not. There were other people on the plane. Maybe a puppy. Still, this was not a war crime.
To read a detailed account of that mission, click below.
Operation Vengeance - Admiral Isoroku Operation Vengeance
To me, a war crime would be letting a world-class hoodlum like bin Laden get off scot-free from trying to destroy America because he doesn't like it. His last act--pushing his wife into soldiers to save himself from their fire--is exactly what he did when he, a well-healed, wealthy man went into the poorest country in the world (Afghanistan), recruited culturally challenged persons, promising them eternal sexual gratifications in the next life in return for their participation in murdering civilian murder based on his claims based on abject calumny against all Americans.
Because of that calumny, false and pretentious, his demise was a matter of when and not if.
He declared war on the US. Troops were dispatched to his location. He was armed and a threat to said troops. They offered him a chance to surrender, yet he remained armed.
A military action.
God does not approve of anything Man's Government's do anyway. So moot point.
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