Top 5 in NBA Ever

[GHook93]

so wilt chamberlain was a 6'6 *whiteboy*?



stick to something you know

Common one guy in the league and larger in Russel career, go back and take a look and you will see a bunch of 6'6 white centers Russel dominated!

he also dominated wilt, dopey.

Every conversation I have on Russel I get the same thing when it comes to Russel. I say he is not in the top 5 ever as a center and the golden oldies claim I am ignorant!
Here is where I put him
(1) Shaq
(2) Wilt
(3) Olajuwan
(4) Kareem
(5) Robinson
(6) Mose Malone
(7) Ewing
(8) Russel

 

[del]

Common one guy in the league and larger in Russel career, go back and take a look and you will see a bunch of 6'6 white centers Russel dominated!

he also dominated wilt, dopey.

Every conversation I have on Russel I get the same thing when it comes to Russel. I say he is not in the top 5 ever as a center and the golden oldies claim I am ignorant!
Here is where I put him
(1) Shaq
(2) Wilt
(3) Olajuwan
(4) Kareem
(5) Robinson
(6) Mose Malone
(7) Ewing
(8) Russel

you are ignorant.
what a coincidence.

 

[elvis]

so wilt chamberlain was a 6'6 *whiteboy*?



stick to something you know

Common one guy in the league and larger in Russel career, go back and take a look and you will see a bunch of 6'6 white centers Russel dominated!

he also dominated wilt, dopey.

Hell, didn't Willis Reed dominate Wilt on one leg?

 

[del]

Common one guy in the league and larger in Russel career, go back and take a look and you will see a bunch of 6'6 white centers Russel dominated!

he also dominated wilt, dopey.

Hell, didn't Willis Reed dominate Wilt on one leg?

good point. moses malone? spare me.

 

[GHook93]

he also dominated wilt, dopey.

Every conversation I have on Russel I get the same thing when it comes to Russel. I say he is not in the top 5 ever as a center and the golden oldies claim I am ignorant!
Here is where I put him
(1) Shaq
(2) Wilt
(3) Olajuwan
(4) Kareem
(5) Robinson
(6) Mose Malone
(7) Ewing
(8) Russel

you are ignorant.
what a coincidence.

There you go Del I fixed it, Russel is better than God I forgot!

 

[manifold]

I've always enjoyed watching Iverson play too. The one thing I always thought handicapped him was how little rotation he put on his jumpshots. I've seen Wakefield knuckle balls with more rotation. Anyone that knows the fundamentals will tell you that poor rotation greatly reduces accuracy.

That's all well and good, but his stats tell otherwise. Career avg. of almost 28 ppg, career FG% of around 42%, and 32% career 3pt%.

32% 3pt% is nothing special.

And the 42% FG% includes layups and dunks.

Therefore, his stats certainly do not tell otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you about him overall. I just think he could've been even better.

 

[Paulie]

You can be overrated and still be considered one of the best ever. I think Iverson was great and top player in the league. He might have been the best 6'0 player every! However, I thought he was a little overrated. He played lazy D, he was selfish, for the most part he didn't make his teammates better and he shot too much!

Not that I think Iverson is the best or anything, but how is he "overrated"?

The guy played harder game in and game out than most other professional sports players PERIOD. For his size, he got to the hole better than just about anyone I've ever watched. And for his career, he averages almost 42 minutes per game. As much of a beating as he's taken driving to the hole against the plethora of the NBA's big men, for him to play that much says something.

If not for his well known selfishness and attitude problems throughout his career, he would get way more credibility; Although in his later years I saw first hand as a philly sports fan, how much better he got at passing the ball. He improved his assist totals, and spent a lot more time playing 1-guard. Not to mention, in Philly he hardly ever had anyone even WORTH passing the ball to. There were a few seasons at the end of his time in Philly where his assists were up near 8 per game. Those were the seasons when he actually had decent teammates.

Played lazy D??? Are you kidding me? That man would chase your ass around the court all night for 42 out of 48 minutes, and he led the league in steals multiple seasons. And selfish players don't average 8 assists per game. The whole "selfish" thing was stirred up by the media. I watched the guy play every other night for years.

Are you for real? You don't seem to know much about sports, I think you're out of your league in this subforum.

 

[Paulie]

I've always enjoyed watching Iverson play too. The one thing I always thought handicapped him was how little rotation he put on his jumpshots. I've seen Wakefield knuckle balls with more rotation. Anyone that knows the fundamentals will tell you that poor rotation greatly reduces accuracy.

That's all well and good, but his stats tell otherwise. Career avg. of almost 28 ppg, career FG% of around 42%, and 32% career 3pt%.

32% 3pt% is nothing special.

And the 42% FG% includes layups and dunks.

Therefore, his stats certainly do not tell otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you about him overall. I just think he could've been even better.

Come on Mani, dunks? I can probably count Iverson's career dunk total on one hand. Even when he'd swipe a ball and get a clean break for the hoop, he'd still lay it up. And those layups are probably his most frequent. Otherwise they came from breaking through the D to the hole uncontested, which certainly isn't the majority of his scoring.

Most of his points come from jumpers and free throws. You don't pay a 6 foot tall 2-guard 100 million dollars to take the ball to the hole all game.

My main point was that if you're going to criticize him for that, you'd have to add Kobe in as well. Not only does Kobe score less, he dunks more often, if we're to consider that as something significant to this.

 

[Meister]

Top 5:

Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Larry Bird
Moses Malone

6th Man:

Michael Cooper

This is so cut and dry....

 

[GHook93]

Top 5:

Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Larry Bird
Moses Malone

6th Man:

Michael Cooper

This is so cut and dry....

PG: Magic
SG: MJ
SF: LBJ (sorry bird)
PF: Duncan
C: Shaq

6th Man:
Kobe

 

[Meister]

Top 5:

Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Larry Bird
Moses Malone

6th Man:

Michael Cooper

This is so cut and dry....

PG: Magic
SG: MJ
SF: LBJ (sorry bird)
PF: Duncan
C: Shaq

6th Man:
Kobe

Kobe is no 6th man...Cooper was a 6th man, and McKale was a 6th man...Kobe was never a 6th man

 

[Gunny]

I was driving to work today and the local sports commentators were talking about West stating LBJ is better than Kobe. Then they went into best at other positions, including Duncan and KG high up on the PF list and Shaq and Hakeem 1 and 2. I got to think about it and here is my list.

PG:
(1) Magic
(2) Oscar Robertson
(3) Stockton
(4) Isiah Thomas
(5) Gary Payton (tough call between the glove and KJ)
Overrated: Cousy, Archibald, Walt Frazier

SG:
(1) MJ
(2) Kobe
(3) West
(4) Dexler
(5) Gervin
Overrated: Iverson and Maravich

SF:
(1) LBJ
(2) Bird
(3) Wilkins
(4) Pippen
(5) Dr. J
Overrated: Havlick and Rick Berry

PF:
(1) Duncan
(2) Malone
(3) KG (I put him higher because I doubt Barkley could cover him)
(4) Barkley
(5) Kemp (No way non-athletes like Mchale, Pettit or Hayes could cover him - he is very underrated)
Overrated: McHale, Pettit, Hayes and DeBusschere (I think all of these players would be slightly above average today, with maybe McHale making the Allstar team every few years)

C:
(1) Shaq
(2) Wilt
(3) Olajuwan
(4) Kareem (Very good, but I think he might be one of the most overrated players every_
(5) Robinson
Overrated: Russel (They say he was as short as 6'8, and he played against 6'6 Whiteboys, imagine what Shaq would have done), Walton (might be one of the most overrated players ever), Mikan (Eric Montross - I honestly think he wouldn't have been drafted if he came out today and would be a back of the bencher)

so wilt chamberlain was a 6'6 *whiteboy*?



stick to something you know

And Pistol Pete was overrated?

And ANYONE that thinks, Pippen, Wilkens, or LBJ were better than the Doctor are fucking smoking that goofy shit too much. Bird maybe as good.

Disn' Dr J. Time for me to break out that semi-annual neg rep.

 

[Gunny]

I was driving to work today and the local sports commentators were talking about West stating LBJ is better than Kobe. Then they went into best at other positions, including Duncan and KG high up on the PF list and Shaq and Hakeem 1 and 2. I got to think about it and here is my list.

PG:
(1) Magic
(2) Oscar Robertson
(3) Stockton
(4) Isiah Thomas
(5) Gary Payton (tough call between the glove and KJ)
Overrated: Cousy, Archibald, Walt Frazier

SG:
(1) MJ
(2) Kobe
(3) West
(4) Dexler
(5) Gervin
Overrated: Iverson and Maravich

SF:
(1) LBJ
(2) Bird
(3) Wilkins
(4) Pippen
(5) Dr. J
Overrated: Havlick and Rick Berry

PF:
(1) Duncan
(2) Malone
(3) KG (I put him higher because I doubt Barkley could cover him)
(4) Barkley
(5) Kemp (No way non-athletes like Mchale, Pettit or Hayes could cover him - he is very underrated)
Overrated: McHale, Pettit, Hayes and DeBusschere (I think all of these players would be slightly above average today, with maybe McHale making the Allstar team every few years)

C:
(1) Shaq
(2) Wilt
(3) Olajuwan
(4) Kareem (Very good, but I think he might be one of the most overrated players every_
(5) Robinson
Overrated: Russel (They say he was as short as 6'8, and he played against 6'6 Whiteboys, imagine what Shaq would have done), Walton (might be one of the most overrated players ever), Mikan (Eric Montross - I honestly think he wouldn't have been drafted if he came out today and would be a back of the bencher)

so wilt chamberlain was a 6'6 *whiteboy*?



stick to something you know

Common one guy in the league and larger in Russel career, go back and take a look and you will see a bunch of 6'6 white centers Russel dominated!

What's your point? He didn't choose his competition. He just outplayed it. You can't diminish what he did then, as it appears you have done to quite a few who played before your time by comparing them to players of today.

 

[Gunny]

You beat me to it.

What an artard!

Full Name: William Felton Russell
Born: 2/12/34 in Monroe, La.
High School: McClymonds (Oakland, Calif.)
College: San Francisco
Drafted: St. Louis Hawks, 1956 (third overall)
Transactions: Draft rights traded to Boston Celtics, 4/29/56
Height: 6-10; Weight: 220 lbs.
Honors: Elected to Naismith Basketball Basketball Hall of Fame (1975); NBA champion (1957, '59, '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '68, '69); NBA MVP (1958, '61, '62, '63, '65);
All-NBA First Team (1959, '63, '65); All-NBA Second Team (1958, '60, '61, '62, '64, '66, '67, '68); NBA All-Defensive Team (1969); 12-time NBA All-Star (1958-69); All-Star Game MVP (1963); One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996); Olympic gold medalist (1956)

yeah, highly overrated.

Was he good yes. Was he great for his time period, but is he better than the centers after him. I say NO and that is why I think he is overrated!

Your argument is intellectually dishonest.

 

[Meister]

I was driving to work today and the local sports commentators were talking about West stating LBJ is better than Kobe. Then they went into best at other positions, including Duncan and KG high up on the PF list and Shaq and Hakeem 1 and 2. I got to think about it and here is my list.

PG:
(1) Magic
(2) Oscar Robertson
(3) Stockton
(4) Isiah Thomas
(5) Gary Payton (tough call between the glove and KJ)
Overrated: Cousy, Archibald, Walt Frazier

SG:
(1) MJ
(2) Kobe
(3) West
(4) Dexler
(5) Gervin
Overrated: Iverson and Maravich

SF:
(1) LBJ
(2) Bird
(3) Wilkins
(4) Pippen
(5) Dr. J
Overrated: Havlick and Rick Berry

PF:
(1) Duncan
(2) Malone
(3) KG (I put him higher because I doubt Barkley could cover him)
(4) Barkley
(5) Kemp (No way non-athletes like Mchale, Pettit or Hayes could cover him - he is very underrated)
Overrated: McHale, Pettit, Hayes and DeBusschere (I think all of these players would be slightly above average today, with maybe McHale making the Allstar team every few years)

C:
(1) Russel
(2) God

(1) Shaq
(2) Wilt
(3) Olajuwan
(4) Kareem (Very good, but I think he might be one of the most overrated players every_
(5) Robinson
Overrated: Russel (They say he was as short as 6'8, and he played against 6'6 Whiteboys, imagine what Shaq would have done), Walton (might be one of the most overrated players ever), Mikan (Eric Montross - I honestly think he wouldn't have been drafted if he came out today and would be a back of the bencher)

No one could defend his "skyhook"....I bet your Shaq would have a real problem defending it. just sayin...

 

[jgbkab]

Top 5:

Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Larry Bird
Moses Malone

6th Man:

Michael Cooper

This is so cut and dry....

PG: Magic
SG: MJ
SF: LBJ (sorry bird)
PF: Duncan
C: Shaq

6th Man:
Kobe

I agree with this. I have to admit that I am not old enough to have seen most of the other players play, but a young, raw Shaq was arguably the best center ever. And the thing is that even though He probably would have had trouble defending the other centers, no one could defend Shaq. He was one of the quickest and strongest centers.