Today's American History lesson.

[Slash]

Wrong about New Jersey. They still had slavery all during the Civil War. And when it came time for NJ to vote for ratification of the 13th Amendment...they voted NO.
NJ only had a small number of slaves but they sure as hell did not want to free them. Somewhere along the way they changed the name of their slaves to "servants for life". Made them feel better.

Yes I believe it was 16 slaves wasn't it that the 13th amendment freed in New Jersey. 4 million in the slave states. Good point. Doesn't show how those 16 were in any way the equal to the nearly 4 million in the South in terms of financial gain which is the point you are trying to make.

 

[Scamp]

Don't forget that 6 Union States and the Union Capital, Washington DC had slavery during the Civil War.

 

[Slash]

Don't forget that 6 Union States and the Union Capital, Washington DC had slavery during the Civil War.

Yes they were slave states that chose not to secede. Please don't confuse them with Northern States. People from Kentucky are not Northerners.

 

[Scamp]

Other Northern States namely Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana freed their slaves and then immediately passed anti-black immigration laws to keep freed slaves out of their states

 

[Slash]

Actually I believe "Border States" was the term coined since they were not Northern States, but didn't secede with the South and the rest of the slave states either.

 

[Slash]

Other Northern States namely Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana freed their slaves and then immediately passed anti-black immigration laws to keep freed slaves out of their states

Ok. Not sure what this has to do with you saying they had slaves for 89 years but only the South made money off of it. You seem to be changing topics here now.

 

[Scamp]

I would argue that if cotton, tobacco or sugar cane grew in those states, slavery would've never been banned.

Nailed it. Money was more impotent to Yankees than the morality of slavery.

 

[Scamp]

Other Northern States namely Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana freed their slaves and then immediately passed anti-black immigration laws to keep freed slaves out of their states

Ok. Not sure what this has to do with you saying they had slaves for 89 years but only the South made money off of it. You seem to be changing topics here now.

Not a single slave ever came to the US on a Confederate ship it was USA ships and of course European ships that brought them here...Money beat ethics.

 

[JoeB131]

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
...Lincoln's first Inaugural Address.

We call that talking the crazies off the ledge. The problem was, the Inbreds were determined to jump.

Of course, when you are stupid from centuries of inbreeding, you tend to not get that sort of thing.

 

[Scamp]

Why does someone like Slash condemn the 4 years of Confederate slavery, but make excuses for 89 years of USA slavery? Double standards?

 

[JoeB131]

Not a single slave ever came to the US on a Confederate ship it was USA ships and of course European ships that brought them here...Money beat ethics.

Yes, because by the time there were "Confederate Ships", there were nice blockades keeping them in port. Of course, the problem by 1861 wasn't slave ships. The Royal Navy had done a pretty good job stamping out the slave trade.

The problem was all the inbred fucks wanted to keep having slavery when it was considered wrong in the civilized world.

 

[Slash]

Nailed it. Money was more impotent to Yankees than the morality of slavery.

What do you mean. Are you saying taking banning slavery cost money? Care to explain that reasoning? Slaves were used in many different facets in the south than just working in the fields.

And what are you basing your belief they wouldn't have done away with slaves on? A LOT of the states that banned slavery had heavy agriculture. They just chose to do it without slaves. By 1860, the free states had nearly twice the value of farm machinery per acre and per farm worker as did the slave states, leading to increased productivity. As a result, in 1860, the Northern states produced half of the nation's corn, four-fifths of its wheat, and seven-eighths of its oats.

Just a difference in choice. South did it with slaves. North did it with technology.

 

[Slash]

Why does someone like Slash condemn the 4 years of Confederate slavery, but make excuses for 89 years of USA slavery? Double standards?

Nope, choosing to allow slavery in the US to appease the south was an issue from the start. One our founding fathers said would be the rock that the nation splits on some day.

Choosing to turn traitor for the perpetuity of slavery and war with the US and try to overthrow the US Government to protect slavery is much much worse to me as an American.

 

[Scamp]

I many cases when Northern states ended slavery, instead of freeing their slaves, Northern slave owners sold them to Southern states. Money trumps ethics and morals again.

 

[Slash]

I many cases when Northern states ended slavery, instead of freeing thier slaves, Northern slave owners sold them to Southern states. Money trumps ethics and morals again.

Some did. Most didn't Sure. They did not however form their rebellion in the interest of protecting slavery and become enemies of the USA over it though.

 

[Scamp]

Is anyone saying that they dont understand why someone would want to continue a legal enterprise that was making billions?

 

[Boss]

Ok. Not sure what this has to do with you saying they had slaves for 89 years but only the South made money off of it. You seem to be changing topics here now.

This is incorrect as well. Northern textile industries profited significantly from Southern cotton. Shipping merchants in the North couldn't have survived without Southern agriculture. In 1860, the Top 3 US exports were cotton, tobacco and sugar cane. Number 4 was textiles produced with cotton.

 

[Scamp]

During the 200 years of slavery in the North they just couldn't make the money. Couldn't grow the big money crops because of climate. They tried to teach slaves to work in the factories of the industrialised north. Failed that.

 

[pinqy]

The South was better at Capitalism. They took existing US law and turned it into a billion dollar enterprise. The North having slaves for all those 89 years could not do that.

What do you mean 89 years.
Vermont found time in the first year of the Revolutionary War to ban slavery
Pennsylvania, 1780; Massachusetts and New Hampshire, 1783; Connecticut and Rhode Island, 1784; New York, 1799; and New Jersey, 1804. The Northwest Ordinance banned slavery in the Northwest Territory (what becomes the states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin) in 1787.

New York and New Jersey were the only states in the North that didn't ban slavery BEFORE George Washington was president of the US.

And you define the owning of other human beings as a good business move and nothing more? Wow, let the racism flow there big boy...

Wrong about New Jersey. They still had slavery all during the Civil War. And when it came time for NJ to vote for ratification of the 13th Amendment...they voted NO.
NJ only had a small number of slaves but they sure as hell did not want to free them. Somewhere along the way they changed the name of their slaves to "servants for life". Made them feel better.

New Jersey banned new slaves in 1804. But like several other states, those who were slaves before the ban remained slaves for life. By the Civil War there were maybe a dozen slaves left in the state.

 

[Scamp]

Yankees had no problem using their ships to take those slave crops to Europe and sell them. It was all about Money.