To Build or Not to Build. That's the Dam Question?

[Old Rocks]

They finally take action..............but only when they are thirsty...............a WOW, I COULD HAVE A V8 MOMENT.

When the Carlsbad Desalination Project is completed this fall, it will be the largest desalination plant in the Western Hemisphere. Photo credit: Carlsbad Desalination Project

Epic Drought Spurs California to Build Largest Desalination Plant in Western Hemisphere

At a cost

Water quantity and cost[edit]
The plant is expected to produce 50 million US gallons (190,000 m3) of water per day[29] (0.069 cubic kilometres per annum) with energy use of ~3.6[30] kWh for 1 m3 fresh water, or ~38 MW of average continuous power.[6][31] Another estimate has the plant requiring 40 MW to operate, and a cost of $49 million to $59 million a year.[1] It will provide about 7% of the potable water needs for the San Diego region.[4]

The San Diego County Water Authority signed a contract with the plant operator to purchase a minimum 48,000 acre-foot per year of drinking water, but it can also demand up to a maximum of 56,000 acre-foot per year.[32][33] (Since one acre-foot is about equal to 1,233 cubic meters, the output would be a minimum of 59,184,000 cubic meters/year to a maximum of 69,048,000 cubic meters/year.) One acre-foot is normally enough water to supply two households of four for one year.[34][35]

The cost of water from the plant will be $100 to $200 more per acre-foot than recycled water, and $1,000 to $1,100 more per acre-foot than reservoir water, but $100 to $200 per acre-foot less than importing water from outside the county.[36] As of April 2015, San Diego County imports 90% of its water.[10] A group of environmentalist groups, Desal Response Group, claims that the plant will cost San Diego County $108 million a year.[13]

 

[eagle1462010]

Very simple. The farms will come back when California gets water again. But, if the delta smelt go extinct, then they are gone forever. And what eats the delta smelt. You might look that up.

When speaking of dams, one cannot just simply throw a dam across any area where the hills are close together. That has been done a number of times with catastrophic results.


St. Francis Dam disaster: Mulholland’s tragic mistake


To visit the site of the St. Francis Dam, drive up San Francisquito Canyon Road from the intersection with Copper Hill Road. Go up the canyon 7.2 miles and park just past the bridge. Walk north to the curve' the mass of concrete at the right side is what remains of the base of the dam.

What's the worst disaster in California history?

Most people know this one. If you said the great San Francisco earthquake and fires in 1906, you would be correct. Roughly 2,000 lives were lost.

Now, in terms of lives lost, what's the second worst disaster in California history?

I'll give you a minute. ... Don't know? That's OK. Most people don't. The answer is the St. Francis Dam disaster of March 12, 1928.

No one knows the true cost in lives lost, but it is estimated that more than 600 people were drowned, mangled by debris or impaled by trees when the concrete dam failed moments before midnight. The failed dam unleashed a wall of water that sped under cover of darkness from San Francisquito Canyon, located nearly five miles northeast of the Santa Clarita Valley, to the Pacific Ocean.

We are a hell of a lot better at building dams now..................and the bill is in the Senate to do just that....................

MODERN DAMS to deal with future problems.................and of course you types who want more Infrastructure spending SPIT ON IT WHEN PROPOSED...............

How typical.................

PROVE that the SMELT IS ENDANGERED............and that we should DIVERT TRILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER TO SAVE IT............

Perhaps the smelt is more important than Humans??????????? Perhaps someone like you need to die of thirst to figure that one out.

 

[eagle1462010]

They finally take action..............but only when they are thirsty...............a WOW, I COULD HAVE A V8 MOMENT.

When the Carlsbad Desalination Project is completed this fall, it will be the largest desalination plant in the Western Hemisphere. Photo credit: Carlsbad Desalination Project

Epic Drought Spurs California to Build Largest Desalination Plant in Western Hemisphere

At a cost

Water quantity and cost[edit]
The plant is expected to produce 50 million US gallons (190,000 m3) of water per day[29] (0.069 cubic kilometres per annum) with energy use of ~3.6[30] kWh for 1 m3 fresh water, or ~38 MW of average continuous power.[6][31] Another estimate has the plant requiring 40 MW to operate, and a cost of $49 million to $59 million a year.[1] It will provide about 7% of the potable water needs for the San Diego region.[4]

The San Diego County Water Authority signed a contract with the plant operator to purchase a minimum 48,000 acre-foot per year of drinking water, but it can also demand up to a maximum of 56,000 acre-foot per year.[32][33] (Since one acre-foot is about equal to 1,233 cubic meters, the output would be a minimum of 59,184,000 cubic meters/year to a maximum of 69,048,000 cubic meters/year.) One acre-foot is normally enough water to supply two households of four for one year.[34][35]

The cost of water from the plant will be $100 to $200 more per acre-foot than recycled water, and $1,000 to $1,100 more per acre-foot than reservoir water, but $100 to $200 per acre-foot less than importing water from outside the county.[36] As of April 2015, San Diego County imports 90% of its water.[10] A group of environmentalist groups, Desal Response Group, claims that the plant will cost San Diego County $108 million a year.[13]

Suddenly you give a DAMN about the COST................but ONLY when it SUITS YOUR AGENDA................

As you DON'T GIVE A DAMN about the COST OF TAKING DOWN COAL...........................It's to save the planet.........RAH RAH............

As UTILITY RATES GO UP..............

Rocks doesn't care...............................Fuck the poor people on that one............RIGHT OLD ROCKS????????

 

[Old Rocks]

Why just look at how much it cost us to switch from horses to autos. And how many people it put out of work. My goodness, get a horse!

 

[eagle1462010]

Obama's Clean Energy Plan Will Double the Cost of Your Electric Bill, Just Like California

That's great new Obama Clean Energy Plan will make the rest of the country just like California, bankrupt. Or so says the media when it's talking up its virtues.

Obama’s Clean Power Plan is about 1,500 pages long, but it can be summed up succinctly: Mr. Obama wants the United States to be more like California.

If there's one thing Americans want, it's for their state to be more like California. That's why people and businesses are fleeing California in droves. This is like China announcing that it's going to be more like North Korea.

The Clean Power Plan aims to replace most coal-fired power plants with renewable sources of energy like wind and solar, and California has almost completely eliminated coal as a source of energy already, the LA Times reported.

And Californians pay 17.35 cents per kilowatt hour while over in coal country in Kentucky, they pay 10 cents. In Louisiana, it's 9.68 cents.

BTW Obama didn't build that. Bawahaha.

 

[eagle1462010]

Why just look at how much it cost us to switch from horses to autos. And how many people it put out of work. My goodness, get a horse!

You normally YELL innovation...............NEW TECH...............now RIDE A HORSE.

 

[eagle1462010]

California electricity rates top nation’s — by far

Jacksonville Electric Authority tracks electricity rates around the nation, based on monthly 1000 kilowatt hours usage. In July of this year, the most expensive utility was Southern California Edison at $260.50 for 1000 kilowatt hours. Edison has shot to first place in recent surveys, greatly because San Diego Gas & Electric (part of San Diego–based Sempra) stopped providing data to Jacksonville recently after it got too much bad publicity for consistently being the most expensive, or among the most expensive, of the utilities. But Richard Rider, chairman of San Diego Tax Fighters, asked San Diego Gas & Electric to reveal its rates for certain inland customers, representing the bulk of the City of San Diego. The local utility charges a whopping $336 per 1000 kilowatt hours. “That’s 29 percent higher than the highest utility on the [Jacksonville] list — [Southern California Edison],” says Rider. I asked San Diego Gas if it wanted to dispute Rider’s number and never heard back.

 

[eagle1462010]

As the Liberals refuse to engage in their UTTER STUPIDITY..........

 

[eagle1462010]

Friant Dam, the current reservoir on the San Joaquin River, serves the entire Central Valley. Every year the demand on Friant grows more and more. Temperance Flat Dam would increase our stored water to four times what Friant Dam can hold!

On average, more than 450,000 acre/feet of fresh water are released to due to overcapacity at Friant every year. That's enough water for 1.8 million households! Temperance Flat could capture that flood release.

Temperance Flat Dam would provide water for both urban, agricultural, and environmental needs in our region. The added surface water would reduce the use of groundwater, allowing badly needed recharge of the groundwater basins.
Why Temperance Flat