Timothy McVeigh was a Christian

[iamwhatiseem]

People...people...

 

[rdean]

more tendency to Christian Identity movt terrorist!

Jesus was a man of peace. Christianity is a religion of peace.

Muhammad was a jihadist. Islam is a religion of terrorism. Allahu Fuckbar!

Alexis de Toqueville...

Istudied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

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Why would you say that? Jesus himself denies that:

From the Gospel of Matthew 10:34
"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

Luke 22:36 NASB
"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."

For some reason, American Christians want to believe they are some kind of "religion of peace" and their own holy books tell them the exact opposite. So, is this some kind of "American Christianity"? Cuz it certainly isn't "Middle Eastern" Christianity.

 

[Liability]

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian

Thanks for this important late-breaking news update.

Now, in OTHER late-breaking news updates, THIS JUST IN:

Every single one of the 9/11/2001 terrorist attackers was a Muslim.

 

[FactFinder]

From the Gospel of Matthew 10:34
"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

and exactly what is that sword to be used for? maybe to first remove the log out of one's own eye or to cut off offending members

 

[tinydancer]

An Accurate Look at Timothy McVeigh's Beliefs on EthicsDaily.com

more tendency to Christian Identity movt terrorist!

The problem with your thought process is that you are taking an individual who was born a Christian and attempting to paint his evil sin as a Christian act.

Right there you (pardon the pun) blow up any chance of a credible argument for your case.

I believe Janet Reno was born and raised a Christian as well. Lutheran I think.

 

[Marc39]

more tendency to Christian Identity movt terrorist!

Jesus was a man of peace. Christianity is a religion of peace.

Muhammad was a jihadist. Islam is a religion of terrorism. Allahu Fuckbar!

Alexis de Toqueville...


Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/River-War-Sir-Winston-Churchill/dp/1598184253/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288411221&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books[/ame]

Why would you say that? Jesus himself denies that:

Jesus was a jihadist, right, birdbrain?

 

[Marc39]

Why I left Islam
By Waleed Al-Husseini

Islam is an authoritarian religion that does not respect the individuals’ freedom of choice, which is easily noticeable from its barbaric verdicts such as stoning the adulterous, pushing the homosexuals off a cliff and killing the apostates for daring to express a different viewpoint. Then there is the plight of other religions’ followers in the Muslim State. Islam urges its followers to fight the infidels until they convert or agree to pay a tax known as "Jizya" per capita in total submission.The sacred texts in Islam also encourage blatant war and conquest of new territories to spread the religion of Muhammad, instead of using peaceful means to convey the message, relying only on a rational argumentative scheme; something that Islam, like any other religion for that matter, evidently lacks. It is simply a terrible insult to human values and a proof of unprecedented dementia.

I was flabbergasted when I learnt the commandments of Islam regarding the alliance and disavowal and the aberrant division of the world into believers and unbelievers, with all the outrageous provisions this implies for the "Dhimmis" and the” Jizya "!

A man also has the right to correct his wife by beating her and / or deserting the marital bed if she refuses to submit to his will. She has no choice when it comes to satisfying his sexual desire whenever he feels like it, with no regard whatsoever of her feelings and desires. I am not a feminist and I am not one of those who defend women passionately against the countless forms of injustice they have suffered for centuries because of religion, but I have a mother, a sister and a lover and I cannot stand for them to be humiliated and stigmatized in this bone-chilling way, because they are my dearest and I love them too much to treat them with this flawed and nauseating manner which debunks undoubtedly the claim that Islam is a religion of equality and freedom!

All forms of artistic expressions are banned in Islam: music, singing, dancing, painting, sculpture, acting, but also literature, poetry, philosophy and the use of logic!

Muhammad was no different than barbaric thugs who slaughtered, robbed and raped women, there are many proofs in the Sunnah, I invite you to do your homework before accusing me of lying for the sole purpose of damaging the image of the prophet of Islam. He was a sex maniac, and went around all the laws he has enacted to appease his voracious desire. He has torn humanity and imprisoned the nation with backward and outdated Bedouin laws. He accomplished no miracle that could prove his prophecy; all he had was a book showing strong similarities with the poetry of his contemporaries, full of scientific errors and philosophical dilemmas.

Why I left Islam

 

[Sallow]

Where does the National Alliance state any following of Christ?

It does'nt & he was'nt a christian any more than Hitler was.

Sure he was..

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

Add in Pope Pius signed a treaty with Nazi Germany..
Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At an April 26, meeting with Bishop Wilhelm Berning of Osnabrück, representative of the German Bishops’ Conference, Hitler declared:

“ I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

Where did Hitler get these ideas from?

Martin Luther..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christianity in Europe's had been trying to rid itself of Jews for centuries. Hitler was just an extention of that..

 

[Marc39]

Martin Luther..

Martin Luther King, Jr...

I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.

 

[Freeman]

Martin Luther..

Martin Luther King, Jr...

I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."- Hitler

 

[Marc39]

Martin Luther..

Martin Luther King, Jr...

I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.

Mark Twain...

If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?

Alexis de Toqueville...

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/River-War-Sir-Winston-Churchill/dp/1598184253/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288411221&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: The River War (9781598184259): Sir Winston S. Churchill: Books[/ame]

 

[Sallow]

An Accurate Look at Timothy McVeigh's Beliefs on EthicsDaily.com

more tendency to Christian Identity movt terrorist!

The problem with your thought process is that you are taking an individual who was born a Christian and attempting to paint his evil sin as a Christian act.

Right there you (pardon the pun) blow up any chance of a credible argument for your case.

I believe Janet Reno was born and raised a Christian as well. Lutheran I think.

David Koresh was another Christian Terrorist..he and he alone was responsible for what happened in Waco.

 

[California Girl]

Ignore the human tragedy, boys and girls, just score points. That's what counts - no matter how stupid you appear to others. Points must be scored in order to win the internet!

 

[tinydancer]

Where does the National Alliance state any following of Christ?

It does'nt & he was'nt a christian any more than Hitler was.

Sure he was..

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf

Add in Pope Pius signed a treaty with Nazi Germany..
Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At an April 26, meeting with Bishop Wilhelm Berning of Osnabrück, representative of the German Bishops’ Conference, Hitler declared:

“ I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

Where did Hitler get these ideas from?

Martin Luther..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christianity in Europe's had been trying to rid itself of Jews for centuries. Hitler was just an extention of that..

And never forget the wonderous union of the Grand Mufti with Hitler and all the muslims who became SS.

A common goal that united Christians (well Roman Catholics) and Muslims against Jews.

What is your point?

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Christians? Yes.

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Muslims? Yes.

Shit happens with evil men.

 

[Marc39]

It does'nt & he was'nt a christian any more than Hitler was.

Sure he was..




Add in Pope Pius signed a treaty with Nazi Germany..
Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At an April 26, meeting with Bishop Wilhelm Berning of Osnabrück, representative of the German Bishops’ Conference, Hitler declared:

“ I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

Where did Hitler get these ideas from?

Martin Luther..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christianity in Europe's had been trying to rid itself of Jews for centuries. Hitler was just an extention of that..

And never forget the wonderous union of the Grand Mufti with Hitler and all the muslims who became SS.

A common goal that united Christians (well Roman Catholics) and Muslims against Jews.

What is your point?

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Christians? Yes.

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Muslims? Yes.

Shit happens with evil men.

Jesus was not evil.
Muhammad was evil

Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
"Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
"They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
"The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
"Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106

 

[tinydancer]

Sure he was..




Add in Pope Pius signed a treaty with Nazi Germany..
Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Where did Hitler get these ideas from?

Martin Luther..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christianity in Europe's had been trying to rid itself of Jews for centuries. Hitler was just an extention of that..

And never forget the wonderous union of the Grand Mufti with Hitler and all the muslims who became SS.

A common goal that united Christians (well Roman Catholics) and Muslims against Jews.

What is your point?

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Christians? Yes.

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Muslims? Yes.

Shit happens with evil men.

Jesus was not evil.
Muhammad was evil

Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42
Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48
Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5
Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14
Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18
Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34
The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35
Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2
"Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22
"They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30
Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3
"The disbelievers would not be tolerated." 15:8
Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43
Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22
Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26
Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29
Disbelievers are liars. 16:39
Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62
"Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63
Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88
Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94
Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106

Please be very aware of the way I post.

I am restricting myself in this thread to the issue of followers.

I am not discussing Christ or Mohammed.

I always stick to the OP.

 

[tinydancer]

An Accurate Look at Timothy McVeigh's Beliefs on EthicsDaily.com

more tendency to Christian Identity movt terrorist!

The problem with your thought process is that you are taking an individual who was born a Christian and attempting to paint his evil sin as a Christian act.

Right there you (pardon the pun) blow up any chance of a credible argument for your case.

I believe Janet Reno was born and raised a Christian as well. Lutheran I think.

David Koresh was another Christian Terrorist..he and he alone was responsible for what happened in Waco.

Surely you jest about Koresh.

A Christian Terrorist? Who did he bomb? What planes did he hijack?

He was not responsible for what happened at Waco and I will be more than willing to debate you truly in another thread on this.

Start one and PM me and I will join you in a true Waco thread.

Meet you by Tuesday in a thread you start. Game on.

 

[Sallow]

It does'nt & he was'nt a christian any more than Hitler was.

Sure he was..




Add in Pope Pius signed a treaty with Nazi Germany..
Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At an April 26, meeting with Bishop Wilhelm Berning of Osnabrück, representative of the German Bishops’ Conference, Hitler declared:

“ I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

Where did Hitler get these ideas from?

Martin Luther..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christianity in Europe's had been trying to rid itself of Jews for centuries. Hitler was just an extention of that..

And never forget the wonderous union of the Grand Mufti with Hitler and all the muslims who became SS.

A common goal that united Christians (well Roman Catholics) and Muslims against Jews.

What is your point?

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Christians? Yes.

Were there evil men who cloaked themselves as Muslims? Yes.

Shit happens with evil men.

That..

Would be part of my point.

 

[Sallow]

Surely you jest about Koresh.

A Christian Terrorist? Who did he bomb? What planes did he hijack?

He was not responsible for what happened at Waco and I will be more than willing to debate you truly in another thread on this.

Start one and PM me and I will join you in a true Waco thread.

Meet you by Tuesday in a thread you start. Game on.

It's not necessary to start any threads. Koresh had shot a man prior to the Waco incident, he was terrorizing people in the community, and then his group open fire on ATF officers legally serving a warrant killing, several of them.

The government acted with a great deal of restraint with Koresh, given the circumstances. He was allowed for months to make deals then back off on them..and spout his bullshit.

 

[Jeremy]

Wow. What a stupid fucking thread.

Obama-Obsessed Liberal Professor Kills Three In Rampage | Bucks Right

Whoops.

Maybe I should start a thread about how all liberals are closet homicidal maniacs.