Timeline of a Democratic Country - Are We Just About to the End?

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    I saw this somewhere, don't know if it's true and it has probably already been posted sometime back but it's interesting to see where we are in our timeline...

    It's funny how the founders of this country fled a government that told them what to do yet now we are going right back to it...

    The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence.


    From Bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage."

    Where do you think we are right now?
     
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    Yup!

    But here's something to consider...fish rot from the head first.

    My point?

    It's not the people who cause the downfall of societies, it's the leadership.

    It's ALWAYS the leadership which forgets that the people come first.
     
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    True, but it's always been my belief that stupid people elect stupid leaders.

    KMAN I believe that's called the "Taylor Cycle". I would put us somewhere between "From complacency to apathy" and "From apathy to dependence".
     
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    I think we are just beginning this pahes.

    From apathy to dependence
     
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    I think this is cyclical. Its like the pride cycle:

    We start out humble
    We prosper
    We beecome arrogant
    We destroy ourselves

    Then it starts all over again.

    Its a cycle. We will survive though many will perish. And those who survive will be humble and prepared to lead to a new brighter future.

    The thing is, the greater the prosperity and pride, the greater the fall. It took nearly 1000 years for a nation as great as the Roman Republic to rise. How long are we going to be on the bottom of the rung before we can start the uptake? Who knows.
     
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    Where would Lincoln, FDR or LBJ fit here I wonder. Seems they broke this pattern.


    From bondage to spiritual faith
    * From spiritual faith to great courage
    * From great courage to liberty
    * From liberty to abundance
    * From abundance to selfishness
    * From selfishness to complacency
    * From complacency to apathy
    * From apathy to dependence
    * From dependence back to bondage

    Source: In the early 1700s, Professor Alexander Tyler wrote this
    about the fall of the Athenian republic over a thousand years ago.
     
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    I disagree – at least with respect to America. I doubt that America’s timeline is linear but circular – so to speak. If America moves too far to the left (too far the wrong way in some people’s views) then we will move back to the right. Some people might be sheep but I doubt that most people are so blind and easily led. If America becomes more and more socialistic and, as a result, America goes too far “down hill”, then more and more people will become dissatisfied and vote for conservatives/Republicans and people who will vote to return us to earlier policies and ways of life. Carter brought us Reagan. Perhaps Obama will bring us another right-wing conservative to repair mistakes that some people think that he is making.
     
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    I sort of agree but I don’t think that it will come to the point of us destroying ourselves. The point at which we revert back will be when most people say, “Damn, I don’t l the direction that we are going!”
     
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    Actually, we are at a crossroad right now but I don't think you understand what the choices are.

    Either We the People come first or the Corporations come first.

    If the corporations come first, bye bye middle class. We already see how much it shrunk under Bush.

    We have 60 votes in the Senate, a majority in the House and we have the White House, plus we have 72% approval/mandate from the American people. It will never get any better than this.

    Just watch and see how much power the corporations have even though we control the entire government.

    Stop your bs that the dems are socialists. They serve the corporations too.
     
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    It's not just Bush or Clinton, or Reagan or Eisenhower who were under the influence of business. In fact, some of the smartest men around always thought the two went hand-in-glove. To change things around, that business is always 'evil' is a recipe for disaster:

    International variation in the business-government interface: institutional and organizational considerations. (01-JAN-95) Academy of Management Review

     

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