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It fits you fuckheads to a T to not care about anyone or anything other than yourselves, and in being empathically blind, cause damage and suffering all around you while calling yourselves moral, all the while persecuting others for what they do in the privacy of their bedroom. Your fucking dumbass. Animals suffer. You cause it. You don't care. Fuck you.
We currently have two litters of rescue kittens in our house, and have been doing this for years, how many rescue animals have you taken in.
What does fostering or adopting pets have to do with vivisection experiments? Absolutely nothing. Nice appeal to hypocrisy, a form of ad hominem. What I so personally has no bearing on whether my argument is valid/sound. You can't attack my points, so you resort to attacking me. This is where the immaturity of the right really shines. For the record, I am an ethical vegan. I don't support factory farms or vivisection. I don't take any drugs that were derived from vivisection labs. That is what is relevant here. Funny that you would care for cata but not give a fuck about other animals, and let them be experimented on and tortured, but that's okay because you have two dozen rescues cats! Your reasoning is idiotic. It's as if you have filled your moral quotient with animals by adopting a few cats, so now you can just harm the rest and feel okay about it.
We currently have two litters of rescue kittens in our house, and have been doing this for years, how many rescue animals have you taken in.
What does fostering or adopting pets have to do with vivisection experiments? Absolutely nothing. Nice appeal to hypocrisy, a form of ad hominem. What I so personally has no bearing on whether my argument is valid/sound. You can't attack my points, so you resort to attacking me. This is where the immaturity of the right really shines. For the record, I am an ethical vegan. I don't support factory farms or vivisection. I don't take any drugs that were derived from vivisection labs. That is what is relevant here. Funny that you would care for cata but not give a fuck about other animals, and let them be experimented on and tortured, but that's okay because you have two dozen rescues cats! Your reasoning is idiotic. It's as if you have filled your moral quotient with animals by adopting a few cats, so now you can just harm the rest and feel okay about it.
Are you misusing words again?
For the record, vegans are the functional equivalent of zombies. Every drug on the shelf comes from some type of animal experiment.
Come on! It fits you lib jackwads to a T.
It's no different then you fuckheads crying about global warming yet you still drive cars and use electricity.
It fits you fuckheads to a T to not care about anyone or anything other than yourselves, and in being empathically blind, cause damage and suffering all around you while calling yourselves moral, all the while persecuting others for what they do in the privacy of their bedroom. Your fucking dumbass. Animals suffer. You cause it. You don't care. Fuck you.
Nope....I dont give a fuck what you do in your bedroom. How much of your personal time have you donated at boxer rescue or any other animal rescue operation?
I would bet ZERO.
How many animals have you adopted?
I dont care for animal testing. But it is a necessary evil.
You stupid fucks paint yourself into a corner with your outcries because you still use the products and medicines developed with animal testing. Just like global warming and abortion. You still drive a car and you kill babies all while crying about pollution and the death penalty.
Fucken hypocrites.
You stand for nothing.
We're moving backwards now.No it wouldn't, because there would be no need to runThere would be no such thing as a "hurry".
It sounds like a trivial riff on your literal meaning, but seriously, civilizations who live as in this description (what we call "primitives" in our collectively narcissistic way) actually tend to have far more leisure time than we do. Their needs are simple. They don't need to expend X amount of blood, toil, tears and sweat in pursuit of the newest iPad, the house payment and all that other stuff. They end up with a lot more time for recreation, contemplation and artistic endeavour. (<< which would then beget tool making)
Just sayin'...
Yeah, but do they have more leisure time at the expense of shorter lifespans?
Besides, I don't want leisure time without my video games or my kindle!
Good point. That is if you have the time for your Kindle.
At the expense of a shorter lifespan? In absolute numbers, no doubt. We're so adept at getting people into sterile steel-and-glass structures where they're surrounded by unspeakably expensive machines that go :::ping::: or else getting them confined to shuffleboard prison camps where we can forget about them.
Said primitives may have fewer years, but I suspect there's a lot more life in their later ones.
Mice and rabbits do not get autism. Nor do they develop schizophrenia. Why are they testing on these animals instead of studying, well, people with these afflictions?
What does fostering or adopting pets have to do with vivisection experiments? Absolutely nothing. Nice appeal to hypocrisy, a form of ad hominem. What I so personally has no bearing on whether my argument is valid/sound. You can't attack my points, so you resort to attacking me. This is where the immaturity of the right really shines. For the record, I am an ethical vegan. I don't support factory farms or vivisection. I don't take any drugs that were derived from vivisection labs. That is what is relevant here. Funny that you would care for cata but not give a fuck about other animals, and let them be experimented on and tortured, but that's okay because you have two dozen rescues cats! Your reasoning is idiotic. It's as if you have filled your moral quotient with animals by adopting a few cats, so now you can just harm the rest and feel okay about it.
Are you misusing words again?
For the record, vegans are the functional equivalent of zombies. Every drug on the shelf comes from some type of animal experiment.
I don't respect your opinion, so lets not get sidetracked with your idiotic interpretation of reality. As a vegan, I don't support the systematic torture I animals in all industry, INCLUDING vivisection, so any attempts at maligning vegans in the context this discussion is simply an ad hominem to avoid addressing salient points. Try again buddy. You'll get it.
Mice and rabbits do not get autism. Nor do they develop schizophrenia. Why are they testing on these animals instead of studying, well, people with these afflictions?
We're moving backwards now.Yeah, but do they have more leisure time at the expense of shorter lifespans?
Besides, I don't want leisure time without my video games or my kindle!
Good point. That is if you have the time for your Kindle.
At the expense of a shorter lifespan? In absolute numbers, no doubt. We're so adept at getting people into sterile steel-and-glass structures where they're surrounded by unspeakably expensive machines that go :::ping::: or else getting them confined to shuffleboard prison camps where we can forget about them.
Said primitives may have fewer years, but I suspect there's a lot more life in their later ones.
Used to be that eating vegetarian was not only healthier but it was much safer than it is now. Its no where near as bad as eating meat but, thanks to Monsanto, buying veggies is almost as dangerous. Not only that, the use of slaughterhouse byproducts means that living ethically is getting harder and harder.
Those who think that not eating charred corpses makes you safe from such horrors as CJ, bovine spongiform, CWD ... you're wrong. And, there's not a lot you can do about it.
It fits you fuckheads to a T to not care about anyone or anything other than yourselves, and in being empathically blind, cause damage and suffering all around you while calling yourselves moral, all the while persecuting others for what they do in the privacy of their bedroom. Your fucking dumbass. Animals suffer. You cause it. You don't care. Fuck you.
Nope....I dont give a fuck what you do in your bedroom. How much of your personal time have you donated at boxer rescue or any other animal rescue operation?
I would bet ZERO.
How many animals have you adopted?
I dont care for animal testing. But it is a necessary evil.
You stupid fucks paint yourself into a corner with your outcries because you still use the products and medicines developed with animal testing. Just like global warming and abortion. You still drive a car and you kill babies all while crying about pollution and the death penalty.
Fucken hypocrites.
You stand for nothing.
I stand for the consideration of animal interests as being valid am worthy of respect. As it is, humans care nothing for the interests of animals and place themselves above them so as to disregard these interests, and use animals for personal ends. This is speciesism. You can personally attack me all you want. It doesn't change this sad reality you defend. I simply don't understand why you would attack those who stand up for the non-suffering of animals. Do you go around kicking dogs And cats whenever you seem them? Why not? Their suffering shouldn't matter to you. Funny that draw a line between animals and say that certain animals deserve no consideration and is okay to torture them while others deserve our undying love and to be taken into our homes. Even more odd is the lack of logical connectivity between whether I donate to a boxer fund and animals in laboratories being harmed. Mind explaining that one? You can't, because it is illogical, hence a logical fallacy. You are doing good in your hatred of people that actually care about ALL animals. Lol. I kill babies? You're a lunatic.
Are you misusing words again?
For the record, vegans are the functional equivalent of zombies. Every drug on the shelf comes from some type of animal experiment.
I don't respect your opinion, so lets not get sidetracked with your idiotic interpretation of reality. As a vegan, I don't support the systematic torture I animals in all industry, INCLUDING vivisection, so any attempts at maligning vegans in the context this discussion is simply an ad hominem to avoid addressing salient points. Try again buddy. You'll get it.
Did I say something that led you to believe that I care about your respect?
Vivisection is surgical experimentation on living beings, neurobiologists do not do that type of thing, neither do drug researchers. You trying to equate what they do means you are a brain dead zombie, which you confirmed when you said you are vegan. Fee free to rehect science and medicine as much as you want, just don't expect anyone to actually care what you think.
Nope....I dont give a fuck what you do in your bedroom. How much of your personal time have you donated at boxer rescue or any other animal rescue operation?
I would bet ZERO.
How many animals have you adopted?
I dont care for animal testing. But it is a necessary evil.
You stupid fucks paint yourself into a corner with your outcries because you still use the products and medicines developed with animal testing. Just like global warming and abortion. You still drive a car and you kill babies all while crying about pollution and the death penalty.
Fucken hypocrites.
You stand for nothing.
I stand for the consideration of animal interests as being valid am worthy of respect. As it is, humans care nothing for the interests of animals and place themselves above them so as to disregard these interests, and use animals for personal ends. This is speciesism. You can personally attack me all you want. It doesn't change this sad reality you defend. I simply don't understand why you would attack those who stand up for the non-suffering of animals. Do you go around kicking dogs And cats whenever you seem them? Why not? Their suffering shouldn't matter to you. Funny that draw a line between animals and say that certain animals deserve no consideration and is okay to torture them while others deserve our undying love and to be taken into our homes. Even more odd is the lack of logical connectivity between whether I donate to a boxer fund and animals in laboratories being harmed. Mind explaining that one? You can't, because it is illogical, hence a logical fallacy. You are doing good in your hatred of people that actually care about ALL animals. Lol. I kill babies? You're a lunatic.
you use a word like "speciesism" and call someone else a lunatic?
Dismissed!
I stand for the consideration of animal interests as being valid am worthy of respect. As it is, humans care nothing for the interests of animals and place themselves above them so as to disregard these interests, and use animals for personal ends. This is speciesism. You can personally attack me all you want. It doesn't change this sad reality you defend. I simply don't understand why you would attack those who stand up for the non-suffering of animals. Do you go around kicking dogs And cats whenever you seem them? Why not? Their suffering shouldn't matter to you. Funny that draw a line between animals and say that certain animals deserve no consideration and is okay to torture them while others deserve our undying love and to be taken into our homes. Even more odd is the lack of logical connectivity between whether I donate to a boxer fund and animals in laboratories being harmed. Mind explaining that one? You can't, because it is illogical, hence a logical fallacy. You are doing good in your hatred of people that actually care about ALL animals. Lol. I kill babies? You're a lunatic.
you use a word like "speciesism" and call someone else a lunatic?
Dismissed!
What is your problem with the word "speciesism"?
you use a word like "speciesism" and call someone else a lunatic?
Dismissed!
What is your problem with the word "speciesism"?
I can't speak for Ernie, but I'd like to answer this.
You use speciesism as though it is a negative, as though we should consider all life equal and not grant more weight to any particular species over another.
What is your problem with the word "speciesism"?
I can't speak for Ernie, but I'd like to answer this.
You use speciesism as though it is a negative, as though we should consider all life equal and not grant more weight to any particular species over another.
... And?
This is pretty much the point where I came in before. We had some good thoughts but I don't believe the question ever got an answer. That being: what is the basis for the viewpoint that humans are superior to other species? Is there any logical justification at all? I have yet to hear one.
I stand for the consideration of animal interests as being valid am worthy of respect. As it is, humans care nothing for the interests of animals and place themselves above them so as to disregard these interests, and use animals for personal ends. This is speciesism. You can personally attack me all you want. It doesn't change this sad reality you defend. I simply don't understand why you would attack those who stand up for the non-suffering of animals. Do you go around kicking dogs And cats whenever you seem them? Why not? Their suffering shouldn't matter to you. Funny that draw a line between animals and say that certain animals deserve no consideration and is okay to torture them while others deserve our undying love and to be taken into our homes. Even more odd is the lack of logical connectivity between whether I donate to a boxer fund and animals in laboratories being harmed. Mind explaining that one? You can't, because it is illogical, hence a logical fallacy. You are doing good in your hatred of people that actually care about ALL animals. Lol. I kill babies? You're a lunatic.
you use a word like "speciesism" and call someone else a lunatic?
Dismissed!
What is your problem with the word "speciesism"?
I can't speak for Ernie, but I'd like to answer this.
You use speciesism as though it is a negative, as though we should consider all life equal and not grant more weight to any particular species over another.
... And?
This is pretty much the point where I came in before. We had some good thoughts but I don't believe the question ever got an answer. That being: what is the basis for the viewpoint that humans are superior to other species? Is there any logical justification at all? I have yet to hear one.
Our ability to think and reason. We are intellectually superior to other species to varying degrees. People almost always use the ability to think as a basis for value of life; it is why this argument rarely occurs with plants; plants cannot think, therefore people do not place as much value upon their lives as they do for animals.
As I said before, I think anyone who places any amount of value upon life differentiates between the value of different species. If that weren't the case, how could you function with the vast amounts of living creatures dying around you and inside you on a constant basis? So, if you place more value upon animal life than plant life, it's obvious to me you consider intelligence a measure of value for life. That being the case, as usual, it is simply a matter of the degree to which you make that part of your judgement.
you use a word like "speciesism" and call someone else a lunatic?
Dismissed!
What is your problem with the word "speciesism"?
It's a word invented by nuts like you who want to assign equal status to mice and monkeys. We are human beings. WE are the top of the food chain pal, the epitome of Darwinian evolution. When mice and monkeys pay taxes, I'll consider giving them status.
How friggin hypocritical can you get. You won't eat animals, but you'll tear leaves of a lettuce head and eat them without a second thought.
Animal testing, which you hysterically refer to as vivisection is not nearly as barbaric as making little balls of fruit with a melon baller and then eating chunks of honeydew flesh.
