saveliberty
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A permanent job is the result of a business being successful. Successful businesses do not need constant infusions of government cash (tax dollars or deficit spending).
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The "premise" of the stimulus was to put people back to work on things such as infrastructure. I agreed with this premise. Since we have been spending billions of dollars in the previous adminsitration to blow shit up, only to spend even more to rebuild them in OTHER countries, I considered this to be a good investment. I understand why people like you just don't get it, though.
I was interested in this very subject when I read the article in the OP: What exactly are the success stories?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...e-job-loss-when-part-of-stimulus-expires.html
It looks like a Pie Company will keep 11 of 12 workers they hired after the $1,000,000,000stimulous money for subsidizing the hirees expires.
Are you saying that if the program gets another $1,000,000,000 then maybe the American economy will benefit by the hiring of another 11 Pie Makers?
I like Pie like the next guy, but not that much.
I am not saying that at all. I was simply stating my position on the premise of the stimulus.
So.....the jobs that were created by Obama's stimulus (if you had actually read the article you would know this), are not REAL jobs? Or just not REALLY created by the government?
They are not sustainable jobs.. more and more government spending is needed to keep these jobs that were not based on actual demand... not to mention it is not the role of government in the first place to create a job nor to ensure you have one...
Even the private sector jobs that were created by tax cuts to small businesses contained with the stimulus?
The "premise" of the stimulus was to put people back to work on things such as infrastructure. I agreed with this premise. Since we have been spending billions of dollars in the previous adminsitration to blow shit up, only to spend even more to rebuild them in OTHER countries, I considered this to be a good investment. I understand why people like you just don't get it, though.
I was interested in this very subject when I read the article in the OP: What exactly are the success stories?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...e-job-loss-when-part-of-stimulus-expires.html
It looks like a Pie Company will keep 11 of 12 workers they hired after the $1,000,000,000stimulous money for subsidizing the hirees expires.
Are you saying that if the program gets another $1,000,000,000 then maybe the American economy will benefit by the hiring of another 11 Pie Makers?
I like Pie like the next guy, but not that much.
I am not saying that at all. I was simply stating my position on the premise of the stimulus.
Soooooo, 'jobs' can't be sustained without government funds?
Obviously, then those jobs are not making a product nor are they contributionto the GNP.
And, by having jobs that don't make a sustainble product and don't contribute to the GNP, that is 'stimulating' the economy how?
In rural Perry County, Tenn., the program helped pay for roughly 400 new jobs in the public and private sectors. But in a county of 7,600 people, those jobs had a big impact: they reduced Perry Countys unemployment rate to less than 14 percent this August, from the Depression-like levels of more than 25 percent that it hit last year after its biggest employer, an auto parts factory, moved to Mexico.
Thousands face job loss when stimulus expires - Politics - The New York Times - msnbc.com
Didn't the John Boehner and the GOP just "pledge" to eliminate this stimulus?
The "premise" of the stimulus was to put people back to work on things such as infrastructure. I agreed with this premise. Since we have been spending billions of dollars in the previous adminsitration to blow shit up, only to spend even more to rebuild them in OTHER countries, I considered this to be a good investment. I understand why people like you just don't get it, though.
I was interested in this very subject when I read the article in the OP: What exactly are the success stories?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...e-job-loss-when-part-of-stimulus-expires.html
It looks like a Pie Company will keep 11 of 12 workers they hired after the $1,000,000,000stimulous money for subsidizing the hirees expires.
Are you saying that if the program gets another $1,000,000,000 then maybe the American economy will benefit by the hiring of another 11 Pie Makers?
I like Pie like the next guy, but not that much.
I am not saying that at all. I was simply stating my position on the premise of the stimulus.
In rural Perry County, Tenn., the program helped pay for roughly 400 new jobs in the public and private sectors. But in a county of 7,600 people, those jobs had a big impact: they reduced Perry County’s unemployment rate to less than 14 percent this August, from the Depression-like levels of more than 25 percent that it hit last year after its biggest employer, an auto parts factory, moved to Mexico.
Thousands face job loss when stimulus expires - Politics - The New York Times - msnbc.com
Didn't the John Boehner and the GOP just "pledge" to eliminate this stimulus?
So what you are suggesting is that we just keep on spending to keep people in jobs, that otherwise would not exist if not for our spending?
In rural Perry County, Tenn., the program helped pay for roughly 400 new jobs in the public and private sectors. But in a county of 7,600 people, those jobs had a big impact: they reduced Perry Countys unemployment rate to less than 14 percent this August, from the Depression-like levels of more than 25 percent that it hit last year after its biggest employer, an auto parts factory, moved to Mexico.
Thousands face job loss when stimulus expires - Politics - The New York Times - msnbc.com
Didn't the John Boehner and the GOP just "pledge" to eliminate this stimulus?
Well it's easy to see the leftists wanted to bury this pos thread innit?
The cost per gubmint subsidized job is yet more proof that the government is not an efficient creator of jobs. It just transfers income and wealth from some people to other people. The former would rather keep their money and make their own PIE.
Well it's easy to see the leftists wanted to bury this pos thread innit?
I don't expect them to be beating into the thread to respond to their absurdly idiotic notions that anything in the OP might support additional "stimulous" spending.
I did give Yank credit for being brave enough to actually link the NYT article in the OP: It is so poorly reported that it's suspiciously like a parody piece that I'd expect to see on O'Reilly.
the caption to this pic from the OP article, the punchline is priceless...the Times satirical-irony cop must have been out to lunch. No wonder they are laughing.
Marilyn Robach and Joel Brever share a moment in the Work Force Center in Blaine, Minn. Robach will join the others in unemployment at the end of the month because her job was funded by the stimulus package. Brever who lost his job recently updated his skills by studying to be residential energy auditor.
Richard Tsong-Taatarii / Zuma Press
the caption to this pic from the OP article, the punchline is priceless...the Times satirical-irony cop must have been out to lunch. No wonder they are laughing.
Marilyn Robach and Joel Brever share a moment in the Work Force Center in Blaine, Minn. Robach will join the others in unemployment at the end of the month because her job was funded by the stimulus package. Brever who lost his job recently updated his skills by studying to be residential energy auditor.
Richard Tsong-Taatarii / Zuma Press
Too bad they didn't learn to make pie.
Looks as though they've eaten enough to appreciate a flaky crust.