Thoughts on Obama's national security team?

I feel that Hillary is more than capable and frankly will be able to offer Obama sound advice he will desperately needs and which Biden simply doesn't get. Hillary is more than capable of standing up to anyone in the world, while being fair as well. In my mind I see two questions with her, will she learn from her husbands mistakes, as to not repeat them and to prevent Obama from repeating them and the other question is, how much will Obama listen to her?

As for the others, I have my initial thoughts, but, I don't think they would be fair. For myself I need to do some homework on some questions I have to find correct answers.

Keeping Gates is interesting at best. I don't dislike him, but, he has never completely won me over. I don't really see that as a bad thing. Also, how much of keeping him is substance and how much is show? Only time will tell.




here's the best thought of the day.. and it came from a guy I know on another board.. he said:


"One has to wonder why B.O. isn't appointing more of Bushes national defense team that kept us safe for 7 years instead of Clinton's that stood by and watched as we suffered 6 terrorist attacks and the build up to 9-11."




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Remember during the primaries obamalama said Hillary didn't know jack shit about foreign policy "All she's ever done is have tea with heads of state." And he picked her to be SOS.. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Obama rolls out national security team - CNN.com



what are ya'll thoughts on these selections? good, bad, indifferent?


Based on the pre-election hype from wingnuts, I was expecting more Marxists and Socialists in his cabinet.

His national security team seems to be thoroughly mainstream.

And his economic advisors? Buffet, Volcker, and that Gethner guy? Jesus, total free trade capitalists. Where are the communists????!
 
Funny how BHO's lefty Libby friends think his foreign policy and security picks are more hawkish than expected



Could it be the security briefings BHO has been getting scared the pants off him (or at least made him pee a little in his boxers) that he is abandoning his far left buddies when it comes to national security?

A more likely scenario is that you and your wingnut friends lied about Obama being a marxist/communist.

That seems more plausible, than the assertion that two months ago Obama was a radical muslim marxist, yet today all of a "sudden" he's a mainstream, somewhat hawkish Democrat.
 
A more likely scenario is that you and your wingnut friends lied about Obama being a marxist/communist.

That seems more plausible, than the assertion that two months ago Obama was a radical muslim marxist, yet today all of a "sudden" he's a mainstream, somewhat hawkish Democrat.

Admit it, this makes you crazy. :lol:
 
Not one single person among Obama's choices for national security was correct about the invasion of Iraq. .. Not one.

Using Obama's own words .. If knowing the invasion of Iraq was wrong and required "good judgment", why has he surrounded himself with people who didn't have it?
 
Not one single person among Obama's choices for national security was correct about the invasion of Iraq. .. Not one.

Using Obama's own words .. If knowing the invasion of Iraq was wrong and required "good judgment", why has he surrounded himself with people who didn't have it?

Probably because he's a politician and they're as full of shit as a Christmas Turkey. They still, to this very day, think they are important.
 
here's the best thought of the day.. and it came from a guy I know on another board.. he said:


"One has to wonder why B.O. isn't appointing more of Bushes national defense team that kept us safe for 7 years instead of Clinton's that stood by and watched as we suffered 6 terrorist attacks and the build up to 9-11."




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Here is the problem with the dream reality some live in. Bush's term did not start on Sept.12 2001. Therefore his administration failed to protect us from the largest attack on our soil ever. People like to believe that Clinton failed to respond properly to the USS Cole bombing which is completely false. Clinton and his anti-terroism czar Richard Clark were eager to retaliate against Al Qaeda unfortunately the CIA and FBI refused to certify that Bin Laden was responsible until early 2001, which obviously was too late to develop a response by the Clinton admin. So the real question is, why didnt the Bush admin do anything about the USS Cole?

Secondly, if Bush's admin was so good at protecting our nation, then just how did 9/11 happen on his watch?
 
Here is the problem with the dream reality some live in. Bush's term did not start on Sept.12 2001. Therefore his administration failed to protect us from the largest attack on our soil ever. People like to believe that Clinton failed to respond properly to the USS Cole bombing which is completely false. Clinton and his anti-terroism czar Richard Clark were eager to retaliate against Al Qaeda unfortunately the CIA and FBI refused to certify that Bin Laden was responsible until early 2001, which obviously was too late to develop a response by the Clinton admin. So the real question is, why didnt the Bush admin do anything about the USS Cole?

Secondly, if Bush's admin was so good at protecting our nation, then just how did 9/11 happen on his watch?




Everything Clinton didn't do in his eight years led up to 9-11. bush was sworn in in Jan. barely seven months... If Clinton couldn't stop it in eight years why expect it of Bush in 7 months??? oh and there was that little matter of all the agencies being forbidden to share information.. I forget the lady's name who got that shit rammed thruogh.. I'll look for it thought.
 
Everything Clinton didn't do in his eight years led up to 9-11. bush was sworn in in Jan. barely seven months... If Clinton couldn't stop it in eight years why expect it of Bush in 7 months??? oh and there was that little matter of all the agencies being forbidden to share information.. I forget the lady's name who got that shit rammed thruogh.. I'll look for it thought.

So wait a minute, you are faulting Clinton for not responding to the USS cole incident when he had less then 3 months to do so? Yet are excluding Bush's responsibility when he had 8 months to respond before the events of 9/11? If we happen to get attacked again in Sept 2009 will you blame Bush or Obama?
 
Everything Clinton didn't do in his eight years led up to 9-11. bush was sworn in in Jan. barely seven months... If Clinton couldn't stop it in eight years why expect it of Bush in 7 months??? oh and there was that little matter of all the agencies being forbidden to share information.. I forget the lady's name who got that shit rammed thruogh.. I'll look for it thought.

Okay so from Jan01-Sep01 whose administration was recieving the daily intel on possible terroist threats against the US? Was it Clinton's or Bush's admin which failed to act? Who was the POTUS on sept 11, 2001 Clinton or Bush?
 
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Okay so from Jan01-Sep01 whose administration was recieving the daily intel on possible terroist threats against the US? Was it Clinton's or Bush's admin which failed to act? Who was the POTUS on sept 11, 2001 Clinton or Bush?

I put 9-11 squarely on the shoulders of the impotent Clinton who was President for 8 years and sat idly by doing nothing but "police action" now just off the top of my head the wtc was attacked, the cobart towers, two embassies in Africa, the Cole, and some I cannot remember,,,, hello,, and don't forget Somalia,, yes,, it was a long series of attacks leading right up to 9-11.. and he did nothing,, and if it happens 9-11 2009 guess what, it's on Obama, cause I can safely say that I think Bush has busted his ass going after terrorists and obamalama goes in eyes wide open.. Clinton didn't do crap..
 
I put 9-11 squarely on the shoulders of the impotent Clinton who was President for 8 years and sat idly by doing nothing but "police action" now just off the top of my head the wtc was attacked, the cobart towers, two embassies in Africa, the Cole, and some I cannot remember,,,, hello,, and don't forget Somalia,, yes,, it was a long series of attacks leading right up to 9-11.. and he did nothing,, and if it happens 9-11 2009 guess what, it's on Obama, cause I can safely say that I think Bush has busted his ass going after terrorists and obamalama goes in eyes wide open.. Clinton didn't do crap..

Sorry but you failed to answer the questions in your apparent tap dance of responsibility. Whose administration recieved the daily briefings on possible terroist attacks leading up to Sept.11? Richard Clarke the antiterroism czar under Reagan Bush Sr Clinton and GWB places the blame on Bush.

Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism," Richard Clarke told CBS' "60 Minutes" in an interview Sunday night. "He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."
Clarke said he asked for a Cabinet-level meeting in January 2001, shortly after the president took office, to discuss the threat al Qaeda posed to the United States. "That urgent memo wasn't acted on," Clarke told CBS. Instead, he said, administration officials were focused on issues such as missile defense and Iraq.

CNN.com - Former antiterror adviser says Bush ignored 9/11 warnings - Mar 23, 2004
 
it made me sit and wonder, while Hillary was speaking, of all the backroom wheeling and dealing, and throat cutting that came to pass to get her to surrender her bid for the presidency and submit to taking this tidbit of leftovers the democrats forced her to swallow!


and she did it. she played along! :lol:

Her demands must have been over the top. She probably got money, power and all the girls she wants.
 
Could it be that Obama is a pragmatic politician that not only knows how to put together a team that wins elections, but also how to put together a team that knows how to govern.

no.

All the high flying rhetoric doesn't mean much when one is confronted with reality of national security.
 
A more likely scenario is that you and your wingnut friends lied about Obama being a marxist/communist.

That seems more plausible, than the assertion that two months ago Obama was a radical muslim marxist, yet today all of a "sudden" he's a mainstream, somewhat hawkish Democrat.

I never said he was a radical Muslim. And I didn't call him mainstream either.

What I said was that his national security picks were more hawkish and right of center than anyone expected. BHO is still a far left libby, rated the most liberal senator .

with that in mind, one has to wonder why the drastic departure from his record when it comes to national security.

What since the election has changed in BHO's lefty world that could possibly compel him to swing from far left to right center at least as far as his national security team is concerned?

the simplest answer is that when confronted with the reality if national security and the intelligence he is now privy to, BHO realized that his lefty "we are the world" philosophy was a little to sissified for the real world.
 
The FBI Allowed the 1993
WTC Bombing to Happen
THE NEW YORK TIMES

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Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"


By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.
The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen
 
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OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Officials had prior knowledge of bombing
McVeigh's contacts, activities known to ATF year in advance

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Posted: May 21, 2001
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By Jon Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com




A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms memo shows that the agency knew about the activities of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a year before the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, while dozens of witnesses have testified that federal, state and local officials had prior knowledge of the bombing.
According to a new 500-page report authored by the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Commission, led by former state Rep. Charles Key, "many people in Oklahoma City began to recall … conversations they had had or overheard," indicating that "the federal government had prior knowledge of an impending attack on the Murrah Building. …"

At the very least, the commission's report said, officials had "a general warning of an attack in the Oklahoma City area" or at several other locations around the country -- all of which had been put on alert that day.

Portions of the new report -- made available exclusively to WorldNetDaily -- included a copy of an April 30, 1995, ATF intelligence memo written by Special Agent Angela Finley.

"In August 1994 this agent began an investigation of White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R.) leader Dennis Mahon and Elohim City," an Oklahoma-based center for right-wing extremists, the memo said. "Confidential Informant has close ties with Mahon and has visited Elohim City on numerous occasions."

Officials had prior knowledge of bombing


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I never said he was a radical Muslim. And I didn't call him mainstream either.

What I said was that his national security picks were more hawkish and right of center than anyone expected. BHO is still a far left libby, rated the most liberal senator .

with that in mind, one has to wonder why the drastic departure from his record when it comes to national security.

What since the election has changed in BHO's lefty world that could possibly compel him to swing from far left to right center at least as far as his national security team is concerned?

the simplest answer is that when confronted with the reality if national security and the intelligence he is now privy to, BHO realized that his lefty "we are the world" philosophy was a little to sissified for the real world.

Your assumptions are simplistic and only meant for the casual observer of politics.

Obama has been right of center since he won the primaries .. not because of the "reality of his lefty world", but because he is and always has been a fraud. His only real objective was to become the POTUS .. period point blank.

The reality Americans have had to deal with for the past 8 years is the absolute failure of the righty world and its consequences. Obama jumping on board the train going to the right doesn't make any less likely to crash than it did when republicans were doing the driving.

"Sissified" isolationist cowboy rhetoric is exactly one of the themes that drove the right into the insane politics that has destroyed this country.
 

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