Thoughts on Obama's national security team?

OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Officials had prior knowledge of bombing
McVeigh's contacts, activities known to ATF year in advance

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Posted: May 21, 2001
1:00 am Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com




A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms memo shows that the agency knew about the activities of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a year before the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, while dozens of witnesses have testified that federal, state and local officials had prior knowledge of the bombing.
According to a new 500-page report authored by the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Commission, led by former state Rep. Charles Key, "many people in Oklahoma City began to recall … conversations they had had or overheard," indicating that "the federal government had prior knowledge of an impending attack on the Murrah Building. …"

At the very least, the commission's report said, officials had "a general warning of an attack in the Oklahoma City area" or at several other locations around the country -- all of which had been put on alert that day.

Portions of the new report -- made available exclusively to WorldNetDaily -- included a copy of an April 30, 1995, ATF intelligence memo written by Special Agent Angela Finley.

"In August 1994 this agent began an investigation of White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R.) leader Dennis Mahon and Elohim City," an Oklahoma-based center for right-wing extremists, the memo said. "Confidential Informant has close ties with Mahon and has visited Elohim City on numerous occasions."

Officials had prior knowledge of bombing


YouTube - 911: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY - Oklahoma City Bombing - Pt. 2/3

Surely you're not suggesting there weren't a plethora of warnings about 9/11 before it happened that the Bush Administration completely ignored.

Which event was more costly and deadly .. 9/11 or the OKC bombing?
 
Your assumptions are simplistic and only meant for the casual observer of politics.

Obama has been right of center since he won the primaries .. not because of the "reality of his lefty world", but because he is and always has been a fraud. His only real objective was to become the POTUS .. period point blank.

The reality Americans have had to deal with for the past 8 years is the absolute failure of the righty world and its consequences. Obama jumping on board the train going to the right doesn't make any less likely to crash than it did when republicans were doing the driving.

"Sissified" isolationist cowboy rhetoric is exactly one of the themes that drove the right into the insane politics that has destroyed this country.

Obama pretended to be right of center after the primaries. I agree.

he is a fraud, i agree

And i am not a righty. I am a conservative and NOT what you people or the media or the republicans say a conservative is.

That I agree with you on anything is an anomaly you being a self professed socialist and all.

The right certainly has NOT been isolationist, in fact republicans have meddled in the world more than they should have. We should not be involved in other countries politics, we should not be deploying our armed services around the world or spending American tax dollars where we are not wanted or where we have no standing treaties to do so. If you call that isolationist then so be it.

I don't believe the We Are the World, everyone can be our friend, one world order shit is realistic. It's not gonna happen in my, yours, or your great grand kids lifetimes. yes we should foster rapport with our allies and with other countries that want to be friendly to the US but we should not be so naive as to think the world is a nice place where we can all be friends and live in harmony.

And a little rugged individualism would do the American people some good instead of being the whiners and sissies we have become.
 
Sorry but you failed to answer the questions in your apparent tap dance of responsibility. Whose administration recieved the daily briefings on possible terroist attacks leading up to Sept.11? Richard Clarke the antiterroism czar under Reagan Bush Sr Clinton and GWB places the blame on Bush.



I answered the question. I told you who and whyI thought was responsible. And I don't give a fig about Richard Clarke..
 
Not one single person among Obama's choices for national security was correct about the invasion of Iraq. .. Not one.

Using Obama's own words .. If knowing the invasion of Iraq was wrong and required "good judgment", why has he surrounded himself with people who didn't have it?

Maybe he believes that lightening doesn't strike twice on the same spot?

He should have tapped me.

I was against the invasion from the getgo.

Maybe he lost my number.
 
I put 9-11 squarely on the shoulders of the impotent Clinton who was President for 8 years and sat idly by doing nothing but "police action" now just off the top of my head the wtc was attacked, the cobart towers, two embassies in Africa, the Cole, and some I cannot remember,,,, hello,, and don't forget Somalia,, yes,, it was a long series of attacks leading right up to 9-11.. and he did nothing,, and if it happens 9-11 2009 guess what, it's on Obama, cause I can safely say that I think Bush has busted his ass going after terrorists and obamalama goes in eyes wide open.. Clinton didn't do crap..

you really are a fucking idiot aren't you? You'll blame the dem no matter what huh? 9/11 is on Clinton by 9/09 would be on Obama :cuckoo:

and just an FYI the terrorists who bombed the WTC the first time are rotting in prison in case you missed that fact. where are those who responsible for 9/11? still free and plotting against the U.S.

The Okalahoma bombing, both terrorists caught and punished.

As for the other incidents, The Clinton administration was hampered by foreign governments in their efforts to bring those responsible to justice.

and you need to do some research if you actually believe the Clinton did nothing regarding terrorisim. Thank the Republican congress for gutting his anti-terrorisim legislation.
 
you really are a fucking idiot aren't you? You'll blame the dem no matter what huh? 9/11 is on Clinton by 9/09 would be on Obama :cuckoo:

and just an FYI the terrorists who bombed the WTC the first time are rotting in prison in case you missed that fact. where are those who responsible for 9/11? still free and plotting against the U.S.

The Okalahoma bombing, both terrorists caught and punished.

As for the other incidents, The Clinton administration was hampered by foreign governments in their efforts to bring those responsible to justice.

and you need to do some research if you actually believe the Clinton did nothing regarding terrorisim. Thank the Republican congress for gutting his anti-terrorisim legislation.




yes Silence I am a fucking idiot,, but what does that mean coming from you? You've already admitted this morning that you willing went to the polls and voted for a liar.. Either Hillary knows foreign policy or she dosen't."" last :lol:
 
French special forces storming the hijacked Air France plane. [Source: French channel 3]An Air France Airbus A300 carrying 227 passengers and crew is hijacked in Algiers, Algeria by four Algerians wearing security guard uniforms. They are members of a militant group linked to al-Qaeda. They land in Marseille, France, and demand a very large amount of jet fuel. During a prolonged standoff, the hijackers kill two passengers and release 63 others. They are heavily armed with 20 sticks of dynamite, assault rifles, hand grenades, and pistols. French authorities later determine their aim is to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower in Paris, but French Special Forces storm the plane before it can depart from Marseille. [Time, 1/2/1995; New York Times,


Harry Ellen. [Source: Associated Press]Harry Ellen, a businessman who converted to Islam, has high credibility with Muslims in Arizona because of his work on behalf of the Palestinian cause. He has had important meetings with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. In 1994, he began working as an FBI informant. Ken Williams, the Phoenix FBI agent who will later write the July 2001 “Phoenix memo”(see July 10, 2001), is his handler. In October 1996, Ellen tells Williams that he has suspicions about an Algerian pilot who is training other Middle Eastern men to fly. He later recalls, “My comment to Williams was that it would be pitiful if the bad guys were able to gain this kind of access to airplanes, flight training and crop dusters. I said, ‘You really ought to look at this, it’s an interesting mix of people.’” Ellen had previously begun spying on a man known as Abu Sief, which apparently is his alias. Sief had come to Arizona from New Jersey in 1993, and bragged about having close ties with al-Qaeda figures Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman and Ramzi Yousef

The facts are that from the first WTC bombing, to 9-11 there was a massive intelligence failure on behalf of US intelligence to see this comming when it was in front of them. The FACTS are that 99% of this happened on Bill Clintons watch, these terrorists were attending Flight school when Bill Clinton was in the White House and doing so off and on for many years. The evendence that that they were planning such an attack was seen in the bothced attempt in France in 1995. So who is responsible for 9-11 it was a massive intelligence failure on behalf of the same intelligence and national security team your about to get again. The Bush Administration has some responsibility her in not picking up the ball and assuming that the national security system put in place by the former administration was true and correct. The end result of policies that placed any attack on the US as a criminal matter rather than a Military matter ended in the deaths of over 3000 people on 9-11 and many more during the 1990's. Further the policy of subjugating the US Military to U.N. caused many Americans their lives during the Clinton years as seen in the disaster in Somalia when the US Military has to call on U.N. scene commanders for Air support and the President and were denied that Air support resulting in the bodies of US Army soilders being dragged through the streets for all to see. While the Clinton Administration was domestically one of the best periods of time for this nation economically, because it was it does not mean that his foreign policy team and national security and most especially his Military policy were anywhere near as good.

Complete 911 Timeline: Ramzi Yousef
 
French special forces storming the hijacked Air France plane. [Source: French channel 3]An Air France Airbus A300 carrying 227 passengers and crew is hijacked in Algiers, Algeria by four Algerians wearing security guard uniforms. They are members of a militant group linked to al-Qaeda. They land in Marseille, France, and demand a very large amount of jet fuel. During a prolonged standoff, the hijackers kill two passengers and release 63 others. They are heavily armed with 20 sticks of dynamite, assault rifles, hand grenades, and pistols. French authorities later determine their aim is to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower in Paris, but French Special Forces storm the plane before it can depart from Marseille. [Time, 1/2/1995; New York Times,


Harry Ellen. [Source: Associated Press]Harry Ellen, a businessman who converted to Islam, has high credibility with Muslims in Arizona because of his work on behalf of the Palestinian cause. He has had important meetings with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. In 1994, he began working as an FBI informant. Ken Williams, the Phoenix FBI agent who will later write the July 2001 “Phoenix memo”(see July 10, 2001), is his handler. In October 1996, Ellen tells Williams that he has suspicions about an Algerian pilot who is training other Middle Eastern men to fly. He later recalls, “My comment to Williams was that it would be pitiful if the bad guys were able to gain this kind of access to airplanes, flight training and crop dusters. I said, ‘You really ought to look at this, it’s an interesting mix of people.’” Ellen had previously begun spying on a man known as Abu Sief, which apparently is his alias. Sief had come to Arizona from New Jersey in 1993, and bragged about having close ties with al-Qaeda figures Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman and Ramzi Yousef

The facts are that from the first WTC bombing, to 9-11 there was a massive intelligence failure on behalf of US intelligence to see this comming when it was in front of them. The FACTS are that 99% of this happened on Bill Clintons watch, these terrorists were attending Flight school when Bill Clinton was in the White House and doing so off and on for many years. The evendence that that they were planning such an attack was seen in the bothced attempt in France in 1995. So who is responsible for 9-11 it was a massive intelligence failure on behalf of the same intelligence and national security team your about to get again. The Bush Administration has some responsibility her in not picking up the ball and assuming that the national security system put in place by the former administration was true and correct. The end result of policies that placed any attack on the US as a criminal matter rather than a Military matter ended in the deaths of over 3000 people on 9-11 and many more during the 1990's. Further the policy of subjugating the US Military to U.N. caused many Americans their lives during the Clinton years as seen in the disaster in Somalia when the US Military has to call on U.N. scene commanders for Air support and the President and were denied that Air support resulting in the bodies of US Army soilders being dragged through the streets for all to see. While the Clinton Administration was domestically one of the best periods of time for this nation economically, because it was it does not mean that his foreign policy team and national security and most especially his Military policy were anywhere near as good.

Complete 911 Timeline: Ramzi Yousef





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Surely you're not suggesting there weren't a plethora of warnings about 9/11 before it happened that the Bush Administration completely ignored.

Which event was more costly and deadly .. 9/11 or the OKC bombing?

no I an suggesting Bush and Clinton are members of the same cabal and nothing happens unless they let it happen or make it happen
 
Overall, I like Obama's National Security Team, except for Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. I don't understand this pick at all, and to be honest, it worries me quite a bit.
 
Overall, I like Obama's National Security Team, except for Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. I don't understand this pick at all, and to be honest, it worries me quite a bit.

Well as I have mentioned several times on the board before auditor to others here you have my sincere sympathies as an Arizonian. She has done quite a lot of damage to our state, for example, last in education, second in the nation in a budget deficit, 1st or 2nd in the nation in foreclosures depending on who you get your data from, a 121% increase in illegal alien population, ,790% increase of deaths of Arizonians caused by illegal aliens, and many many other things. This was a pure political appointment and has nothing to do with her qualifications no matter how much it's going to be spun by the media. She has wrecked this state and we frankly are glad to be rid of her, she would not have been re-elected anyway. So again you have my deepest sympathies.
 
Well as I have mentioned several times on the board before auditor to others here you have my sincere sympathies as an Arizonian. She has done quite a lot of damage to our state, for example, last in education, second in the nation in a budget deficit, 1st or 2nd in the nation in foreclosures depending on who you get your data from, a 121% increase in illegal alien population, ,790% increase of deaths of Arizonians caused by illegal aliens, and many many other things. This was a pure political appointment and has nothing to do with her qualifications no matter how much it's going to be spun by the media. She has wrecked this state and we frankly are glad to be rid of her, she would not have been re-elected anyway. So again you have my deepest sympathies.




just off the top of your head Navy do you know what her approval rating is???
Can she see Mexico from her back door??? *Sarcasam alert**
 
just off the top of your head Navy do you know what her approval rating is???
Can she see Mexico from her back door??? *Sarcasam alert**

The economy is in the tank, and state finances are a mess. But Arizonans continue to give exceptionally high job- performance marks to the state's top three elected officials, according to an Arizona State University/Channel 8 poll released this week.

Eighty-one percent of those surveyed rated Gov. Janet Napolitano's performance either "excellent" or "good." Just 19 percent of respondents gave the Democrat a "poor" or "very poor" grade.

In the coming days, Napolitano is expected to become President-elect Barack Obama's secretary of Homeland Security. If so, she'll be succeeded in the Governor's Office by Secretary of State Jan Brewer, a Republican.

Top 3 elected state officials score big in poll

re than half of poll respondents, 57 percent, said they didn't know Brewer well enough to rate her performance. But of those who did, 82 percent rated her work excellent or good as secretary of state. Fewer than one in five respondents disapproved of Brewer's job performance.

Thats going to be our new Gov. so if you run about saying well she has a great approval rating, trust me, here that don't mean a thing. Actually people here at least everyone I know of is pretty happy to be rid of her as her tenure has been a disaster for this state. I will say this though, initially when she first took over the office she did a pretty good job till she started going spend happy. Everyone here is actually quite stunned that she would even be considered for the post of Homeland Security and it's kind of a running joke here.
 
yes Silence I am a fucking idiot,, but what does that mean coming from you? You've already admitted this morning that you willing went to the polls and voted for a liar.. Either Hillary knows foreign policy or she dosen't."" last :lol:

:lol: you really are funny Willow. Show me a pol who isn't a liar in one regard or another.

Personally I don't think Clinton knows jack shit about foreign policy but it's not my decision to make so whatever.
 
To respond to the OP:

It seems like he made a cabinet that ensures him of support within the institutions of government (congress, ...):
- Hillary can convince the democratics, because the clinton-power within the democrats is still something that shouldn't be underestimated. Another possible nice side effect is that she won't run against him in 2012 because she s part of his government.
- He has a friend of John Mccain in his cabinet (Jones) on National security
- A member of the Bush cabinet stays on Defense
- Other former rivals from the primaries re in his cabinet

It reminds me of what Obama said on a speech after he officially claimed victory of the elections: That he will not be just a president of the voters who elected him, but also of the voters who didn't. In short: that he will be a president of all americans.

This looks like something that will be a very effective cabinet if his cabinet will be able to work as a team. And that s the thing: will it be a team?
 
OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Officials had prior knowledge of bombing
McVeigh's contacts, activities known to ATF year in advance

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: May 21, 2001
1:00 am Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com




A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms memo shows that the agency knew about the activities of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh a year before the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, while dozens of witnesses have testified that federal, state and local officials had prior knowledge of the bombing.
According to a new 500-page report authored by the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Commission, led by former state Rep. Charles Key, "many people in Oklahoma City began to recall … conversations they had had or overheard," indicating that "the federal government had prior knowledge of an impending attack on the Murrah Building. …"

At the very least, the commission's report said, officials had "a general warning of an attack in the Oklahoma City area" or at several other locations around the country -- all of which had been put on alert that day.

Portions of the new report -- made available exclusively to WorldNetDaily -- included a copy of an April 30, 1995, ATF intelligence memo written by Special Agent Angela Finley.

"In August 1994 this agent began an investigation of White Aryan Resistance (W.A.R.) leader Dennis Mahon and Elohim City," an Oklahoma-based center for right-wing extremists, the memo said. "Confidential Informant has close ties with Mahon and has visited Elohim City on numerous occasions."

Officials had prior knowledge of bombing


YouTube - 911: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY - Oklahoma City Bombing - Pt. 2/3

Surely you're not suggesting there weren't a plethora of warnings about 9/11 before it happened that the Bush Administration completely ignored.

Which event was more costly and deadly .. 9/11 or the OKC bombing?

I agree with Al Franken: He didn't read the 8/6/11 PDB. If he did--gosh the man is really busy--but if he did read it and ignore it; that would be shocking.
 

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