This Is Why You Allow Armed Teachers

[Toronado3800]

Cops and schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting, says judge who tossed lawsuit.

Another school district agrees:

Ohio school district votes to allow armed staff members.

I'll agree with throwing four more armed cops in every school FWIW. This is just an example of a bad decision.

On an individual level, I'd PROBABLY be able to do something heroic to try to save kids I didn't know. I THINK I would.

It would still be HEROIC though and not a common action. A fellow who pulls up lame shouldn't be a cop. Not sure how much I'd prosecute him though....maybe go after the pension saying, "when you signed up to be a cop, you signed up to be a hero, and you weren't so we're not paying out".

Its a tough line though. My kid, I save or die trying. Other kids, or lord knows an adult, I might not reach as far in front of the oncoming train to save.

Every mass shooting is against a soft (unarmed) target.

Having armed teachers changes the equation.

Does having real security at the school not?

I've met a lot of teachers. Gals who were Education Majors seemed to take a liking to me, they like immature fellows maybe lol. I think we may be better just paying real professionals to guard these schools and make them hard targets instead of coping out and not taxing gun sales by expecting education majors to defend your children.

When the disaster hits, you do anything you can to save a life, including your own. Look at any avalanche, where the people are frantically digging hoping to stumble across a victim. Or a fire, where untrained people rush to try and save a child, or a pet, or an old woman.

What a gun does is give you a chance. Just as a First Aid Kit doesn’t make you a qualified Trauma Surgeon, a gun doesn’t make you Rambo. Just as a couple tools in the trunk of your car doesn’t make you a Master Mechanic, the gun doesn’t make you heroic.

What the first aid kit does, what the tools in the trunk do, is give you a chance to affect the outcome. If the situation is publicized, and the future shooters know that some of the teachers are armed, then he has to factor that into his planning. Now he has an unknown number of armed individuals coming at him from any number of dirctions. Anything behind him is not safe, or secure, but is a potential avenue of a counter attack.

It makes it harder. It makes it harder to plan out. It makes it harder to get as far with. Think of it this way. You’re going to run against a guy who is slower than you in a race for the 200 meter hurdles. No biggie, you’re faster. But now, all the people lining the course, can rush out at you and slow you down. Only one will, but which one? You can’t take your eyes off of any of them. You have to plan for any of them to come rushing at you. While you’re studying the crowd, you’ll screw up and knock the hurdle down.

A gun doesn’t guarantee you’re going to survive the fight, or even win the fight. It just gives you a fighting chance when that is all you have left. You could still die. You could still fail to save even your own life, much less the lives of those around you. But we are humans. We are notorious for going down swinging. Some of our greatest and most often talked about historical events are where people with no chance of success, just refused to give up. They kept fighting. So long as they had something to fight with, they keep fighting.

The Military Code Of Conduct states that I will not surrender so long as I have the means to resist. As long as you have a way to fight, you keep on fighting. But in a gun battle, without a gun, you don’t have that ability. You are just a victim. You are just waiting for a miracle, and waiting on God to save you is a plan, but it is one that historically hasn’t born as much fruit as swinging at the impossible odds.

I don’t mind the danger, or the risk, or the threats. I just want to have a fighting chance if the exceedingly unlikely becomes the horrific reality.

Great. Lets man up and put a real guard in each class if necessary

Are you too timid to? Do you need Sarika to defend your children?

 

[2aguy]

Every mass shooting is against a soft (unarmed) target.

Having armed teachers changes the equation.

Does having real security at the school not?

I've met a lot of teachers. Gals who were Education Majors seemed to take a liking to me, they like immature fellows maybe lol. I think we may be better just paying real professionals to guard these schools and make them hard targets instead of coping out and not taxing gun sales by expecting education majors to defend your children.

14 states already allow armed teachers, and 16 states don't prohibit it.....we have actual experience in arming teachers and it works......

When has an armed teacher ever faced down and stopped a mass shooter?

What we know, since most schools are gun free zones....is that where people have been allowed to carry their legal guns, and have been involved in a mass public shooting, they have a 94% success rate at stopping the shooter and saving lives....

94% success rate...and you guys want to keep others from stopping shooters...

We agree toa point.

The NRA types need to pony up and support gun and ammo taxes to hire some real armed security since we have plentiful guns provided by our 2nd.

Quit counting on education majors named McKenzie or Lexi to protect the youth.

we don't need taxes on guns and ammo......they were called Poll Taxes when the democrats used taxes to keep blacks from voting....what we need is to get rid of gun free zones and allow parents and staff to carry their legal guns on school grounds....that's it....that is what keeps mass shooters away.

 

[Toronado3800]

Does having real security at the school not?

I've met a lot of teachers. Gals who were Education Majors seemed to take a liking to me, they like immature fellows maybe lol. I think we may be better just paying real professionals to guard these schools and make them hard targets instead of coping out and not taxing gun sales by expecting education majors to defend your children.

14 states already allow armed teachers, and 16 states don't prohibit it.....we have actual experience in arming teachers and it works......

When has an armed teacher ever faced down and stopped a mass shooter?

What we know, since most schools are gun free zones....is that where people have been allowed to carry their legal guns, and have been involved in a mass public shooting, they have a 94% success rate at stopping the shooter and saving lives....

94% success rate...and you guys want to keep others from stopping shooters...

We agree toa point.

The NRA types need to pony up and support gun and ammo taxes to hire some real armed security since we have plentiful guns provided by our 2nd.

Quit counting on education majors named McKenzie or Lexi to protect the youth.

we don't need taxes on guns and ammo......they were called Poll Taxes when the democrats used taxes to keep blacks from voting....what we need is to get rid of gun free zones and allow parents and staff to carry their legal guns on school grounds....that's it....that is what keeps mass shooters away.

Spoken like someone who is used to counting on others to save the future of humanity I will say.

The NRA public relations firm is not ready to man up and stand behind their beliefs I see and your desire to go out in a blaze of wild west glory is noted.

Its ostrich like to expect every Emily, Madison and Kaitlyn who graduated with an elementary education major last year to first, be safe enough with their gun that 60 of them armed in every school will make it safer, and second to carry it to enable your rights.

Just man up and instead of giving welfare to every farmer you see pay them to get their police certification and go sit in a school guarding the place.

Banning guns would take 40 years to have any effect and 200 years to really "work". Plus they are constitutional. So is looking to young ladies who want to educate children to protect our future I suppose

 

[Cecilie1200]

There is no job that requires you to commit suicide .

I'm certain there are a lot of people in the military in combat zones who would be surprised to hear that.

There are dangerous jobs . But none of them can make you die !

Wow, I can actually hear your IQ dropping every time you speak.

Insults ? I’m trying to educate you. No One an be forced to eat a bullet.

You're "trying to educate me" to be as ignorant and illogical as you. Short of some sort of massive head trauma, that ain't happening.

I tell you what, Timmy. Picture someone breaking into your mommy's house and coming down to your basement to rob and kill you, and calling the police and being told that they have no obligation to protect you because coming and confronting the armed intruder on your behalf would be "requiring them to commit suicide", and then you go on trying to tell me that it's perfectly reasonable to say that we have a police force that exists with no obligation to actually do the things we set up police forces for.