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[Billo_Really]

For what exactly ?

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Gratuitous zone 2 compliance:
That "was" Israel!

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The UN says otherwise.

That they did. Resolution 181 was never implemented.

That is a win.

(COMMENT)

The fact that the prop-Hostile Arab Palestinian activist and Islamic Resistance Movements have to resort to distorting the truth, sets the stage for the political achievement on the part of the Israelis.

• SOURCE: UN Palestine Commission: UN Department of Public Information --- Press and Publications Bureau Extract: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented." PAL/169 17 May 1948
​

More importantly is the in two parts:

• First --- the Hostile Arab Palestinians completely avoid the ground truth that they lost all control of any territorial integrity they might have had at the start of the conflict. (That is called a LOSS!)
• Second --- at the time of the Armistice Arrangements, there was no allowance for either an Armistice of future Treaty with any representatives of the Palestinian. That did not happen for another four (4) decades (plus).
​

Now, more than a half century later, the Hostile Arab Palestinians still claim that they cannot achieve their "rights" because they are "occupied."

(QUESTION)

What did the Hostile Arab Palestinians win or gain? (See Posting #61 -- above.)

Most Respectfully,
R

First --- the Hostile Arab Palestinians completely avoid the ground truth that they lost all control of any territorial integrity they might have had at the start of the conflict. (That is called a LOSS!)​

Whenever we talk Israel, the term is always "control" it is never acquire. Control is an occupation term. The UN states that the Palestinians still have the right to territorial integrity.

And that can not be given to them they have to take it themselves by declaring their intent to abide by the UN charter and resolutions and negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours. So it is the Palestinians standing in their own way and no one else.
Control is subjective as it means that they own or have acquired that land through legal means

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The UN says otherwise.

(COMMENT)

The fact that the prop-Hostile Arab Palestinian activist and Islamic Resistance Movements have to resort to distorting the truth, sets the stage for the political achievement on the part of the Israelis.

• SOURCE: UN Palestine Commission: UN Department of Public Information --- Press and Publications Bureau Extract: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented." PAL/169 17 May 1948
​

More importantly is the in two parts:

• First --- the Hostile Arab Palestinians completely avoid the ground truth that they lost all control of any territorial integrity they might have had at the start of the conflict. (That is called a LOSS!)
• Second --- at the time of the Armistice Arrangements, there was no allowance for either an Armistice of future Treaty with any representatives of the Palestinian. That did not happen for another four (4) decades (plus).
​

Now, more than a half century later, the Hostile Arab Palestinians still claim that they cannot achieve their "rights" because they are "occupied."

(QUESTION)

What did the Hostile Arab Palestinians win or gain? (See Posting #61 -- above.)

Most Respectfully,
R

First --- the Hostile Arab Palestinians completely avoid the ground truth that they lost all control of any territorial integrity they might have had at the start of the conflict. (That is called a LOSS!)​

Whenever we talk Israel, the term is always "control" it is never acquire. Control is an occupation term. The UN states that the Palestinians still have the right to territorial integrity.

And that can not be given to them they have to take it themselves by declaring their intent to abide by the UN charter and resolutions and negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours. So it is the Palestinians standing in their own way and no one else.
Control is subjective as it means that they own or have acquired that land through legal means

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

 

[P F Tinmore]

First --- the Hostile Arab Palestinians completely avoid the ground truth that they lost all control of any territorial integrity they might have had at the start of the conflict. (That is called a LOSS!)​

Whenever we talk Israel, the term is always "control" it is never acquire. Control is an occupation term. The UN states that the Palestinians still have the right to territorial integrity.

And that can not be given to them they have to take it themselves by declaring their intent to abide by the UN charter and resolutions and negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours. So it is the Palestinians standing in their own way and no one else.
Control is subjective as it means that they own or have acquired that land through legal means

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

 

[Hollie]

And that can not be given to them they have to take it themselves by declaring their intent to abide by the UN charter and resolutions and negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours. So it is the Palestinians standing in their own way and no one else.
Control is subjective as it means that they own or have acquired that land through legal means

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need a dose of reality. Israel is a thriving, legitimate State. The notion of an Islamist terrorist state is a laughable joke. Pal'istan, as a UN, welfare subsidized Islamic terrorist enclave is an abomination.

 

[turzovka]

You hardly unnerve me.

I what?

You make no legitimate case against Jewish settlers moving into that region.

Maybe because I wasn't trying to?

Why don't you shove those bullshit strawman arguments up your ass?

You deceive by diversions from troubling facts you care not to address.

What haven't I addressed?

There are scores of points and issues that can be raised where your Arab allies in the region have no answer or look like criminal aggressors. Since 1900!

That makes no sense whatsoever.

BTW, there were no major incidents of violence in that area between Palestinian-Jews and Palestinian-Arabs, until the Zionist migration.

Apparently none of that bothers you? All you have are some numbers that there were more Arab people in the greater region of Palestine than there were Jews or people of other race. Yes, I know that. So what? I cannot belabor your vagueness.

Hey dumbass, you just got done saying there were "...unoccupied tracks of land..." and now you're saying you knew they were "occupied"?

You also inferred the Arab migration occurred after the Jewish migration.

"... caused a huge influx of Arabs from Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, et al." ​

Well, here's thew official migration records from the UN...



...which clearly shows only 7,000 Arabs migrating in during the 20's and over 100,000 Jews moving in that period on time. Now, if there was 750,000 total residents there and Jews made up only 10% of the population, where did the 600,000 non-Jewish residents come from? They certainly didn't migrate in AFTER the Jews, or there would've been records showing such an influx?

The bottom line is, you're a liar and they're not even good lies.

Let's just say I am too short on time to engage a ranting teenager who sizes things up with a scant bit of facts that favor his bravado.

Questions:

What exactly did the Jewish settlers purchasing land from the Ottoman landlords do that was illegal? How did they impose on anyone else's property or rights?

What people had a right to call it their country when there never has been a formal country there ever since Israelis were kicked out by the Romans?

What right did 5 Arab nations and 2 other coalition Arab armies have to try to go in in 1948 and murder as many Jews as they could muster? What was their just cause?

What in the world is the Arabs big hate and gripe today? They want the Palestinians to have their own sovereign nation on the West Bank and Gaza? They want Jerusalem? How so? They had all of that and more before the Arabs went to war once again in 1967. Explain. So if they had all that then why were they trying to destroy the Jews on two occasions before 1967?

What peace treaty did any Arab nation ever agree to, ever? What treaty were the Jews not willing to agree to or compromise?

You and the U.N. and Russia and Persia and every Islamic nation and every cowardly Western govt make for fine bed fellows and equally find dishonest scoundrels.

 

[Phoenall]

And that can not be given to them they have to take it themselves by declaring their intent to abide by the UN charter and resolutions and negotiate peace and mutual borders with their neighbours. So it is the Palestinians standing in their own way and no one else.
Control is subjective as it means that they own or have acquired that land through legal means

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

 

[docmauser1]

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

Very true. No "state of palestine" has existed, indeed. Nothing to "give" or whatever, that is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need a dose of reality. Israel is a thriving, legitimate State. The notion of an Islamist terrorist state is a laughable joke. Pal'istan, as a UN, welfare subsidized Islamic terrorist enclave is an abomination.

Nice deflection.

 

[Hollie]

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need a dose of reality. Israel is a thriving, legitimate State. The notion of an Islamist terrorist state is a laughable joke. Pal'istan, as a UN, welfare subsidized Islamic terrorist enclave is an abomination.

Nice deflection.

No deflection. The fact is, Israel is an economic and political success.

On the other hand, the Islamic terrorists occupying the disputed territories are just another failed muhammedan wasteland as is so much of the Islamist Middle East. The falsely labeled Pal'istanians continue to perpetuate the worlds greatest welfare fraud and only exist as a label applied to thieves and social misfits.

 

[Hollie]

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

Nice dodge.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

Nice dodge.

Still didn't.

 

[Phoenall]

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate




The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:



ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.






Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

 

[Phoenall]

Try reading the UN resolutions you pimp that say just this

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need a dose of reality. Israel is a thriving, legitimate State. The notion of an Islamist terrorist state is a laughable joke. Pal'istan, as a UN, welfare subsidized Islamic terrorist enclave is an abomination.

Nice deflection.

Not so it is you that deflects every time evidence is produced that shows you are wrong

 

[Phoenall]

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

Nice dodge.

Still didn't.

Read the parts I have posted that says it did

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice duck.

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate




The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:



ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.






Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

Thank you. Those are Palestine's international borders.

The Mandate did not mention Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

It did mention, however, that the Jews could get Palestinian citizenship and live in Palestine with the other citizens.

The creation of Israel was outside the scope and authority of the Mandate.

 

[Hollie]

No the reality that shows you cherry pick only those parts that support your POV. The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home. That treaty still stands today and it is the arab muslims that are illegally occupying Jewish land

The LoN made a treaty in 1923 that granted the Jews 22% of Palestine for their NATIONal home.​

You need a reread of history. No part of Palestine was given to the Jews.

You need to read the mandate of Palestine that says just this, and delineates the area to be used

No it doesn't.

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate




The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:



ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.






Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory:


PALESTINE


INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

Thank you. Those are Palestine's international borders.

The Mandate did not mention Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive rights.

It did mention, however, that the Jews could get Palestinian citizenship and live in Palestine with the other citizens.

The creation of Israel was outside the scope and authority of the Mandate.

There are no international borders to the Islamist waqf of Pal'istan.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not applying this correctly.

Whether this is Israeli Propaganda is unknown to me and unimportant to me. It does not change the facts or the ground truth.

Why do you always pimp Israeli propaganda crap? What is in it for you?

ARTICLE 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

It is about rights not about power.

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First --- a question: Is this binding law? This (Article 4 - Montevideo Convention) presuppose that juridically equal, wherein each country --- each culture --- and each people --- enjoy the same rights and that they are NOT selectively enforced by the international community. We absolutely know for a fact that each country --- each culture --- and each people --- do NOT actually enjoy judicial equality. The cultures and peoples of the US, Belgium, China, Nigeria, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Yemen all experience differences in judicial equality.

No people, culture, community or authority of any type or kind can lay claim to any territory to which is has never controlled, or which they cannot establish territorial control and maintain the integrity of the border that another people, culture, community or authority has already claimed. The Palestinians cannot lay claim to the US (any more then it can claim to sovereignty over Israeli territory) because they have never established control over it --- and cannot maintain control over any defined territory pertaining to it.

Second, customary law pertaining to sovereignty and territorial acquisition does not work like you imply. The real-world realities are very different. Ask the people of the Crimea. In March 2014, the Russian Federation annexed the Crimea. Without regard to whether the international community recognizes the Russian annexation of the Crimea does not alter the fact that it is a reality. Many would cite the Russian Annexation of the Crimea as similar to the Israeli annexation of the Palestinian territories in 1967; and one of the most significant territorial acquisitions in the latter half of the 20th Century. The difference between the acquisition of the Crimea and the West Bank being that the West Bank was annexed once and occupied once in the last half of the 20th Century using the mode; once by Jordan (1950 annexation) and once by Israel (1967 generally occupied and very small portions annexed). The international community, while verbally objecting, did not take enforcement action against the Hashemite Kingdom, and has not taken enforcement action against either the Russian Federation (2014 annexation) or the State of Israel. It is not likely that the UN or any other international body is going to selectively enforce an ambiguous international law against any of the three nations. Nor is it likely that the International Community will take enforcement action against any of a dozen countries that have deprived people of their nationality as did the Jordanian with the people of the West Bank in 1988.

Finally, with minor exceptions, Israel has not demonstrated any intention of annexing either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip in the same fashion as the Russian Federation has established control and annexed the Crimea. While the Israeli Settlements were established legal under the Oslo Accords in Area "C" jurisdiction, remain inside the State of Palestine; the same cannot be said for the Crimea, now considered and treated as sovereign Russian territory.

The use of the term "rights" must be accompanied with the source of those "rights" and the enforceability of the right being stipulated. There are "rights" which are vocalized --- BUT --- which the international justice system will not enforce and the international community will not compel performance if the nation does not voluntarily comply.

No international consortium of powers, either in the Black Sea Region or the Middle East Region, will take such enforcement action to compel a nation to adopt an action that will end in an expansion of more trouble than it has by doing nothing. No international consortium is going to compel an action which will destabilize Israel in the Middle East, causing the conflict to expand and set the conditions for the creation of another failed state --- where none existed before. There is absolutely no reason for any of the regional powers in the Middle East to assume that the selective enforcement of political considerations (territorial sovereignty and the mode of acquisition) in favor of the Arab Palestinians, (having no other history than that of criminal behavior, constant asymmetric conflict, and terrorism) will result in the creation of a culture, people and nation that will contributed more to peace/stability --- humanity, science, commerce and industry --- than the Jewish State of Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Let's just say I am too short on time to engage a ranting teenager who sizes things up with a scant bit of facts that favor his bravado.

Translation: You're too pussy to address the points I made.

Here's what you need to do...

go down to your local sporting goods store, go over to aisle 5, pick yourself up a set of balls, then come back here and debate like a man!​

Questions:

Why would I answer your questions, when you won't answer mine?

What exactly did the Jewish settlers purchasing land from the Ottoman landlords do that was illegal?

I didn't say purchasing land was illegal.

More of your strawman bullshit!

How did they impose on anyone else's property or rights?

Over 700,000 non-Jewish residents were driven out by Zionist terrorist groups like Irgun.

What people had a right to call it their country when there never has been a formal country there ever since Israelis were kicked out by the Romans?

10% of the population, has no right calling themselves a country over 90% of the population.

What right did 5 Arab nations and 2 other coalition Arab armies have to try to go in in 1948 and murder as many Jews as they could muster? What was their just cause?

They didn't go in to kill Jews. They went in to restore law and order after the British abdicated.

What in the world is the Arabs big hate and gripe today?

What a stupid question!

Have you ever lived under martial law?

The over 100 UN resolutions addressing Israeli human rights and international law violations.

They want the Palestinians to have their own sovereign nation on the West Bank and Gaza? They want Jerusalem? How so?

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

And they only want East Jerusalem.

They had all of that and more before the Arabs went to war once again in 1967. Explain.

Israel started the '67 war by rolling their tanks into Egypt.

So if they had all that then why were they trying to destroy the Jews on two occasions before 1967?

Because they were provoked by the Israeli's.

What peace treaty did any Arab nation ever agree to, ever?

Oslo Accords.

What treaty were the Jews not willing to agree to or compromise?

Olso Accords.

You and the U.N. and Russia and Persia and every Islamic nation and every cowardly Western govt make for fine bed fellows and equally find dishonest scoundrels.

Oh I see, Israel's right and the world is wrong?

You talk like a 10 year old!