CDZ This Culture War We’re In

[Stephanie]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

 

[Mac1958]

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I think it's over, and now it's just up to the Left to tidy things up.

Personally, the tipping point for me was the national reaction to a President of the United States (of all people) telling American business owners, "you didn't build that, someone else made that happen", and the conversation that followed. Those who defend that statement ignore the fact that that one line did/does not exist in a vacuum, it exposed a much larger macro picture of our direction.

For better or worse, that's the road we have chosen.

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[guno]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

The war is over, the regressive's lost. This country won't be going back to the 1950's. It's time to move on

 

[eagle1462010]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

The war is over, the regressive's lost. This country won't be going back to the 1950's. It's time to move on

Correct.............It's time to Move On.

 

[Derideo_Te]

There is no "culture war" in a multicultural society.

There is just an ongoing transformation brought about by demographics.

Change is normal and those that refuse to adapt to change run the risk of being sidelined.

America has never been a single culture from the time of the original settlers from the West. Both Hispanics and Whites brought their culture with them to the Americas where there were already native American cultures.

Change is good because it means that America is still evolving and growing.

Those that want to stagnate and live in the past are going to find it becoming lonely as their numbers dwindle.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

My approach to the imaginary wars of others is to question why people have a need to be so conformist that they see themselves as fighting one.

There is plenty to criticize on the left, particularly the hypocrisy, the tendency towards establishing political positions based upon nothing other than opposition, the abandonment of an ideology that treats all people the same and the constant looking over their shoulder to make sure they are saying the required things.

Interestingly enough, this is precisely the same criticism I have of the right.

As far as culture wars are concerned, the one that should alarm us is the one Islamists are waging against civilization. The right says "they hate us for who we are" and the left says "they hate us for what we do", and neither the twain shall meet. The right refuses to consider the ramifications for our actions, while the left offers its tacit support for absolute barbarity. They are so busy fighting this stupid war against each other than they fail to see that they are both correct -- Islamists hate us for who we are as well as for what we do, but unless we get over this stupid internecine war, we are doomed to lose it.

 

[Roadrunner]

There is no "culture war" in a multicultural society.

There is just an ongoing transformation brought about by demographics.

Change is normal and those that refuse to adapt to change run the risk of being sidelined.

America has never been a single culture from the time of the original settlers from the West. Both Hispanics and Whites brought their culture with them to the Americas where there were already native American cultures.

Change is good because it means that America is still evolving and growing.

Those that want to stagnate and live in the past are going to find it becoming lonely as their numbers dwindle.

Gee, why do so many Blue Cities look like war zones then?

 

[JoeB131]

Personally, the tipping point for me was the national reaction to a President of the United States (of all people) telling American business owners, "you didn't build that, someone else made that happen", and the conversation that followed. Those who defend that statement ignore the fact that that one line did/does not exist in a vacuum, it exposed a much larger macro picture of our direction.

Yes, how Dare an American president state the obvious. That businesses only exist because of the efforts of governments, employees and customers, not just the brilliant schemes of capitalists. It's not just those who sew the seeds but those who tend to the crops.

There's a reason why Somalia hasn't become an economic powerhouse.

 

[AmericanGirl05]

Speaking of Obama changing the culture, why is he refusing to throw out the first baseball, as is traditional for Presidents going way back.

I know he was booed in his previous attempts, and he bounced one, but if FDR could do it from the stands in wartime, Obama could make the effort. The stadium is only about 25 blocks from the White House.

 

[JoeB131]

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

I'm going to actually try to treat this subject seriously.

The reason why a "value" is destroyed is because someone questions it's fundemental reason.

Case in point- Slavery and Segregation were accepted for a very long time because that's the way things were. Until someone questioned it.

The same can be said of Sexism. For most of history, a woman's place was in the home. Until someone questioned it.

Now we have gays being accepted, because the best arguments that the anti-gay folks could come up with is "I think it's icky" and "God says it's bad". Neither of these really stand up to rigourous questioning.

 

[Derideo_Te]

There is no "culture war" in a multicultural society.

There is just an ongoing transformation brought about by demographics.

Change is normal and those that refuse to adapt to change run the risk of being sidelined.

America has never been a single culture from the time of the original settlers from the West. Both Hispanics and Whites brought their culture with them to the Americas where there were already native American cultures.

Change is good because it means that America is still evolving and growing.

Those that want to stagnate and live in the past are going to find it becoming lonely as their numbers dwindle.

Gee, why do so many Blue Cities look like war zones then?

Non sequitur!

 

[LoneLaugher]

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I think it's over, and now it's just up to the Left to tidy things up.

Personally, the tipping point for me was the national reaction to a President of the United States (of all people) telling American business owners, "you didn't build that, someone else made that happen", and the conversation that followed. Those who defend that statement ignore the fact that that one line did/does not exist in a vacuum, it exposed a much larger macro picture of our direction.

For better or worse, that's the road we have chosen.

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That's why you are a laughable. That statement was culled out of context and you bought it. I once thought you were just being disingenuous. But...you've repeated this silliness so many times that there is no other way to read it. You lack understanding.

 

[midcan5]

OMG more martyrdom from the right wing, is anything ever new? The sky is always falling, the end is near, loss is at hand. One wonders how they survive a single day? Or does this sense of foreboding loss give meaning to an otherwise meaningless life?

For the interested reader see:

'The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy' Albert O. Hirschman
'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
'The Unconscious Civilization' John Ralston Saul
'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark' Carl Sagan

For the scaredy cats of the right, just stay under the bed, you'll be safe.

No nation was ever founded by conservatives, for in order to do so, you'd need to stop whining and do something - or by clueless libertarians who think all things started at their birth. Conservative history of the united states US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Stephanie]

omg, martyrdom. lol

 

[jwoodie]

There is no "culture war" in a multicultural society.

There is just an ongoing transformation brought about by demographics.

Change is normal and those that refuse to adapt to change run the risk of being sidelined.

America has never been a single culture from the time of the original settlers from the West. Both Hispanics and Whites brought their culture with them to the Americas where there were already native American cultures.

Change is good because it means that America is still evolving and growing.

Those that want to stagnate and live in the past are going to find it becoming lonely as their numbers dwindle.

When reality becomes indefensible, resort to platitudes?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The culture wars were started by the social right some 40 years ago, and continue today at the behest of the social right; they alone can end the war, simply by following the Constitution.

 

[Derideo_Te]

There is no "culture war" in a multicultural society.

There is just an ongoing transformation brought about by demographics.

Change is normal and those that refuse to adapt to change run the risk of being sidelined.

America has never been a single culture from the time of the original settlers from the West. Both Hispanics and Whites brought their culture with them to the Americas where there were already native American cultures.

Change is good because it means that America is still evolving and growing.

Those that want to stagnate and live in the past are going to find it becoming lonely as their numbers dwindle.

When reality becomes indefensible, resort to platitudes?

Non sequitur!

 

[Agit8r]

When the subject of kulturkampf comes up, I'm obliged to note that it is the marketplace that makes old ideas and methods obsolete. One cannot reject modernity and accept capitalism, because they are two sides of the same coin.

 

[irosie91]

When the subject of kulturkampf comes up, I'm obliged to note that it is the marketplace that makes old ideas and methods obsolete. One cannot reject modernity and accept capitalism, because they are two sides of the same coin.

I do not understand your assertion. As I understand "capitalism"-----it is a very old system-------the prevalent
system of the ancient world

 

[Agit8r]

When the subject of kulturkampf comes up, I'm obliged to note that it is the marketplace that makes old ideas and methods obsolete. One cannot reject modernity and accept capitalism, because they are two sides of the same coin.

I do not understand your assertion. As I understand "capitalism"-----it is a very old system-------the prevalent
system of the ancient world

I suppose broadly speaking, Bedouin traders were capitalists. But I mean in terms of an economic policy that we would recognize. What makes the marketplace dynamic, also makes it eager to discard old methods of doing things. In fact, these two things are so similar that i feel silly mentioning them separately. As long as we have a free marketplace, society will continue to discard the errors of its past.

"Compare the results achieved by these “shopkeepers’ ethics” with the achievements of Christianity! Christianity has acquiesced in slavery and polygamy, has practically canonized war, has, in the name of the Lord, burnt heretics and devastated countries. The much abused “shopkeepers” have abolished slavery and serfdom, made woman the companion of man with equal rights, proclaimed equality before the law and freedom of thought and opinion, declared war on war, abolished torture, and mitigated the cruelty of punishment."
-- Ludwig von Mises; from 'Socialism'