CDZ This Culture War We’re In

[irosie91]

When the subject of kulturkampf comes up, I'm obliged to note that it is the marketplace that makes old ideas and methods obsolete. One cannot reject modernity and accept capitalism, because they are two sides of the same coin.

I do not understand your assertion. As I understand "capitalism"-----it is a very old system-------the prevalent
system of the ancient world

I suppose broadly speaking, Bedouin traders were capitalists. But I mean in terms of an economic policy that we would recognize. What makes the marketplace dynamic, also makes it eager to discard old methods of doing things. In fact, these two things are so similar that i feel silly mentioning them separately. As long as we have a free marketplace, society will continue to discard the errors of its past.

"Compare the results achieved by these “shopkeepers’ ethics” with the achievements of Christianity! Christianity has acquiesced in slavery and polygamy, has practically canonized war, has, in the name of the Lord, burnt heretics and devastated countries. The much abused “shopkeepers” have abolished slavery and serfdom, made woman the companion of man with equal rights, proclaimed equality before the law and freedom of thought and opinion, declared war on war, abolished torture, and mitigated the cruelty of punishment."
-- Ludwig von Mises; from 'Socialism'

I am not at all impressed. Christianity is a religion-----not an economic system. "shop keeper"------is basic capitalism ---an economic system in use for millenia and prevalent in lands that adhered to a whole plethora of different religions across the globe including christianity

 

[oldfart]

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

I'm going to actually try to treat this subject seriously.

The reason why a "value" is destroyed is because someone questions it's fundemental reason.

Case in point- Slavery and Segregation were accepted for a very long time because that's the way things were. Until someone questioned it.

The same can be said of Sexism. For most of history, a woman's place was in the home. Until someone questioned it.

Now we have gays being accepted, because the best arguments that the anti-gay folks could come up with is "I think it's icky" and "God says it's bad". Neither of these really stand up to rigourous questioning.

I have spent my entire adult life in the South; three years in North Carolina, 35 in Mississippi, and now ten in Panhandle Florida. I have a deep affection for the people I have met. But the fundamental problem with the Red States is that they never got over having their slaves taken away. They built a culture around slavery, romanticized it, and exported it to the west (the farmers and miners were mostly from the North, the cattlemen from the South). Some dents have been made, but this core culture still believes in the right of one group to dominate and exploit others, whether on the basis of race or another criteria. It has always opposed progressive measures such as public education which would equalize opportunity, and it opposed affirmative action and adequate funding of all levels of education just as it once supported segregation for exactly the same reason. It opposes unions, the rights of labor, and unemployment benefits for similar reasons. It even portrays beneficiaries of such benefits as indolent in terms identical to the words used to describe slave labor 150 years ago.

My point is that racism has grown; you don't have to be black to be a ****** anymore.

 

[Agit8r]

When the subject of kulturkampf comes up, I'm obliged to note that it is the marketplace that makes old ideas and methods obsolete. One cannot reject modernity and accept capitalism, because they are two sides of the same coin.

I do not understand your assertion. As I understand "capitalism"-----it is a very old system-------the prevalent
system of the ancient world

I suppose broadly speaking, Bedouin traders were capitalists. But I mean in terms of an economic policy that we would recognize. What makes the marketplace dynamic, also makes it eager to discard old methods of doing things. In fact, these two things are so similar that i feel silly mentioning them separately. As long as we have a free marketplace, society will continue to discard the errors of its past.

"Compare the results achieved by these “shopkeepers’ ethics” with the achievements of Christianity! Christianity has acquiesced in slavery and polygamy, has practically canonized war, has, in the name of the Lord, burnt heretics and devastated countries. The much abused “shopkeepers” have abolished slavery and serfdom, made woman the companion of man with equal rights, proclaimed equality before the law and freedom of thought and opinion, declared war on war, abolished torture, and mitigated the cruelty of punishment."
-- Ludwig von Mises; from 'Socialism'

I am not at all impressed. Christianity is a religion-----not an economic system. "shop keeper"------is basic capitalism ---an economic system in use for millenia and prevalent in lands that adhered to a whole plethora of different religions across the globe including christianity

This is little surprise, given the present political climate. Enthusiasm for capitalism is highest in the least capitalist parts of the country--because they believe that it describes their own subsidized agrarian local economies. Instead, capitalism is most practiced in the great coastal cities.

 

[irosie91]

When the subject of kulturkampf comes up, I'm obliged to note that it is the marketplace that makes old ideas and methods obsolete. One cannot reject modernity and accept capitalism, because they are two sides of the same coin.

I do not understand your assertion. As I understand "capitalism"-----it is a very old system-------the prevalent
system of the ancient world

I suppose broadly speaking, Bedouin traders were capitalists. But I mean in terms of an economic policy that we would recognize. What makes the marketplace dynamic, also makes it eager to discard old methods of doing things. In fact, these two things are so similar that i feel silly mentioning them separately. As long as we have a free marketplace, society will continue to discard the errors of its past.

"Compare the results achieved by these “shopkeepers’ ethics” with the achievements of Christianity! Christianity has acquiesced in slavery and polygamy, has practically canonized war, has, in the name of the Lord, burnt heretics and devastated countries. The much abused “shopkeepers” have abolished slavery and serfdom, made woman the companion of man with equal rights, proclaimed equality before the law and freedom of thought and opinion, declared war on war, abolished torture, and mitigated the cruelty of punishment."
-- Ludwig von Mises; from 'Socialism'

I am not at all impressed. Christianity is a religion-----not an economic system. "shop keeper"------is basic capitalism ---an economic system in use for millenia and prevalent in lands that adhered to a whole plethora of different religions across the globe including christianity

This is little surprise, given the present political climate. Enthusiasm for capitalism is highest in the least capitalist parts of the country--because they believe that it describes their own subsidized agrarian local economies. Instead, capitalism is most practiced in the great coastal cities.

I think that you are referring to the USA (???) Middle America tends to be "conservative" and "traditionalist"
in its ethos. I am intrigued by your allusion to "subsidized
agrarian local economies"----mostly because I do not quite
understand why you make that allusion. Actual subsidizing
of agriculture in the USA-----IMHO----is not all that rigorous---In view of the threat of world wide famine----I would
support more of it-----and would not characterize the USA as
harboring a "subsidized agrarian econonomy"-----in fact---
NOT ENOUGH for my tastes. I am all in favor of complete
self sufficiency in food production for the USA.

 

[Avatar4321]

It seems to me that a culture war Isn't fought in legislatures. It's fought in the choices we as individuals make every day of our lives.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

I tentatively agree. Certainly, the left loves to talk about being 'civic minded.' But this seems to be more about controlling educational institutions and furthering permissive behaviors. I think there are various 'cultures' out there, and to what you really are talking about is the lack of community, an actual belief in wholesomeness. Yes, I think that is eroding....

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

This is why there's no famous female generals in history.

 

[irosie91]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

This is why there's no famous female generals in history.

DEBORAH

 

[Asclepias]

Sounds like the OP is having a big cry. As your type dies off and your backwards ways are exposed for the misguided and fraudulent propaganda of the insane, the rest of the world will move on to bigger and better things. Culture is supposed to grow and not go backwards. We cant bring back the good ole days when pretty much everyone was discriminated against except white males. Sorry but you were destined to lose.

 

[Asclepias]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

This is why there's no famous female generals in history.

Queen Nzingha

 

[Derideo_Te]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

This is why there's no famous female generals in history.

Boedecea?

Joan of Arc?

 

[warf]

There is no culture war. Just like there is no war on Christmas or war on Christianity.

The left doesn't care about the values of the right. They just don't want such flawed mythology imposed on them.

The right seems to suffer from a terrible inferiority complex.

 

[Derideo_Te]

The right seems to suffer from a terrible inferiority complex.

To be fair there is some justification for them having that complex.

 

[warf]

The right seems to suffer from a terrible inferiority complex.

To be fair there is some justification for them having that complex.

How many of them would understand that that was a putdown?

 

[Derideo_Te]

The right seems to suffer from a terrible inferiority complex.

To be fair there is some justification for them having that complex.

How many of them would understand that that was a putdown?

Having an inferiority complex is not a reflection of intelligence.

 

[Asclepias]

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

I tentatively agree. Certainly, the left loves to talk about being 'civic minded.' But this seems to be more about controlling educational institutions and furthering permissive behaviors. I think there are various 'cultures' out there, and to what you really are talking about is the lack of community, an actual belief in wholesomeness. Yes, I think that is eroding....

You sound absolutely antediluvian. "Permissive behaviors"?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

I tentatively agree. Certainly, the left loves to talk about being 'civic minded.' But this seems to be more about controlling educational institutions and furthering permissive behaviors. I think there are various 'cultures' out there, and to what you really are talking about is the lack of community, an actual belief in wholesomeness. Yes, I think that is eroding....

You sound absolutely antediluvian. "Permissive behaviors"?

Oh, morals. They're so boring and out-dated, right?

 

[jwoodie]

Non sequitur!

Non compos mentis?

 

[Publius1787]

Have we lost already?

SNIP:
How are wars won?

To win a war you don’t need to kill every soldier on the other side. What you need to do is destroy the other army as an organized force. You destroy the ability of the officers to command and the morale of the men. You destroy their perception of the worth of their side and of their own self-worth.


All wars are culture wars. To win you must destroy the values of the other side. (That is one reason why we’re losing to Islam no matter how many times we beat them on the battlefield.) You must destroy their sense of purpose and the values instilled in them to break them as an organization.

That is what the left has been doing to us.

This culture war we’re in is slow and subtle. It’s not always as loud and as obvious as the counterculture was. The purpose of the counterculture was to shatter the dominant culture. Once that was done, the culture could be slowly cannibalized at will until the counterculture became the culture. And then it was no longer about freedom or free anything, those were the disruptive tools used to drive youth recruitment with a facade of anarchy, and it became about conformity and control. This culture of conformity and control is still being sold as ‘rebellious’ when it’s just the establishment.

We no longer have a culture. We have a counterculture that occasionally masquerades as the culture.

But it’s not over yet. A culture war destroys the culture of the other side because that is the source of its values. To completely destroy the other side, its values must be destroyed as an abstract, its organization must be destroyed to prevent those values from being conveyed and the individual’s own values must be destroyed, in that order.

Destroying the values of every single individual is the most difficult part of this project. Destroying values as an abstract idea is the easiest. That’s why the left has made its greatest gains there.

ALL of it here:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/this-culture-war-were-in/

This former KGB Agent agrees with you. He explains exactly how the left used to do it when they were sponsored by the Soviets.

 

[ralfy]

There is no such thing as a group of human beings that have no culture. As groups become larger and more complex, there is also no one culture or some right one. Rather, there are multiple cultures with several countering or assimilating each other.