Things the government runs well

[antagon]

charity? seriously? better than which programs?

Um, virtually all of them.

c'mon. make proper idiots out of yourselves and name some of them specifically.

 

[The Rabbi]

charity? seriously? better than which programs?

Um, virtually all of them.

c'mon. make proper idiots out of yourselves and name some of them specifically.

Everything that involves delivering services to needy people. Everything that involves teh arts.

 

[antagon]

health and human services?

 

[The Rabbi]

health and human services?

Absolutely. Education.
Virtually every "human service" agency has done nothing but push people to use those services and crowd out private charities. They are grossly inefficient, with reams of bureaucratic red tape for every program.

 

[antagon]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

 

[The Rabbi]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Please name some.
The U.S. was an economic shit hole in 1920? News to me.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Since the intent of this thread is to collectively moan about how inept our Gubmint is....why has nobody picked up my challenge to name a Government we should model ourselves after.

Come on people....Sweden, France, Finland, Japan

Someone must have a government better than the good ole US

How about Chile...they had a lot of fans last week

im with ya Rw.....i deliver mail to many Americans who have visited many a different land,either when in the Military or with their Job.....and they have just about all said there are nice places to visit,but no matter the problems facing this Country, they would rather be here than there to live....

 

[Douger]

Since the intent of this thread is to collectively moan about how inept our Gubmint is....why has nobody picked up my challenge to name a Government we should model ourselves after.

Come on people....Sweden, France, Finland, Japan

Someone must have a government better than the good ole US

How about Chile...they had a lot of fans last week

im with ya Rw.....i deliver mail to many Americans who have visited many a different land,either when in the Military or with their Job.....and they have just about all said there are nice places to visit,but no matter the problems facing this Country, they would rather be here than there to live....

And ye, Hairy one. ?
How many stamps are on your passport ? Do you even have one ?

 

[GWV5903]

Do you think $174K is a lot of money for a top executive?

Do you consider Shelia Jackson Lee a top exec???? Come on.....The top exec's I know make a hell of a lot more than $174K.....The fact that we pay Pelosi $20K more than that is deafining.....

You didn't vote for them...others did

Since this is a thread to say how much better private industry is than the Government. How well would Goggle, Dell or Microsoft do if they paid their top executives $174K a year with no bonuses?

Whether I voted for them has nothing to do with questioning their performance....

Please provide the proof that we have Congressman/women that operate fiscally sound budgets....

If they worked for any of the privates and operated at a deficit for too long, they would be unemployed, without pension or benefits, not the case with their current jobs now is it....

 

[FA_Q2]

There are thing that the government must run. The government is NEVER efficient and rarely does it actually run an enterprise well but nonetheless there are things that it must run. Those items are thing that people need but private industry could not turn a profit on. Things like roads, police, fire, DoD and regulatory agencies but outside of those avenues the government should NOT be running the show. The fact is that it is terribly inefficient in all respects and needs to be limited to as small an aria as possible or rampant waste becomes a problem. That is why people do not want to see the government running the healthcare industry and why people want to limit the government in general. It rarely leads to better outcomes than regulated businesses that require efficiency or they will not be able to stay in business. The other problem is the fact that, no matter how bad it gets, there is little in the way of forcing the government to correct itself and become more efficient/better at whatever agency it is running. In the private sector you have companies going out of business and failing that helps keep the system in check and cleans out the inefficiencies and waste. In government you get a buildup instead and eventually the system will collapse in on itself if we are not careful.

It would be better if you were to try and name a system that the private sector does not run as well as government. I do not think I could find a business that the government is in as well as the private sector that is run better in the government.

 

[JBeukema]

A dollar backed by bombs and bullets is a dollar backed by nothing as the American Empire continues to prove itself an empty shell incapable of subjugating the rest of the world.

Why do you hate this country?

You're an idiot.

It's this government I have a problem with.

 

[JBeukema]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Please name some.
The U.S. was an economic shit hole in 1920? News to me.

Do you really want to get into what American Health and Human Services services involved in the 20's?

 

[The Rabbi]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Please name some.
The U.S. was an economic shit hole in 1920? News to me.

Do you really want to get into what American Health and Human Services services involved in the 20's?

Sure, go right ahead. And then tell me how much better it was in other places at the time.

 

[rightwinger]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Private Charity is wonderful when the economy is booming.

"I just got a raise....I'm giving money to charity"
Year end bonus....I'm giving some to charity"
New job....I'm giving something to charity

However, once the economy is in a downturn, those charitable contributions are the first to go.......just when they are needed the most

FDR realized during the Great Depression that private charity could not fill the void. Too many people needing it and nobody contributing. The government is the only entity that can provide a consistent safety net during hard times.

A positive benefit of...... Socialism

 

[rightwinger]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Please name some.
The U.S. was an economic shit hole in 1920? News to me.

Do you really want to get into what American Health and Human Services services involved in the 20's?

It was a time of Boss Tweed and other party bosses. Your local ward chairman handed out the goodies. Lost a job...go see the party boss. Can't pay the rent? Go see the party boss. There were always strings attached

Local churches distributed food.....if you were willing to listen to a sermon
Local mob would help you out....for a future favor

 

[The Rabbi]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Private Charity is wonderful when the economy is booming.

"I just got a raise....I'm giving money to charity"
Year end bonus....I'm giving some to charity"
New job....I'm giving something to charity

However, once the economy is in a downturn, those charitable contributions are the first to go.......just when they are needed the most

FDR realized during the Great Depression that private charity could not fill the void. Too many people needing it and nobody contributing. The government is the only entity that can provide a consistent safety net during hard times.

A positive benefit of...... Socialism

Any proof of that or is it just another of your socialist fantasies?

 

[The Rabbi]

Please name some.
The U.S. was an economic shit hole in 1920? News to me.

Do you really want to get into what American Health and Human Services services involved in the 20's?

It was a time of Boss Tweed and other party bosses. Your local ward chairman handed out the goodies. Lost a job...go see the party boss. Can't pay the rent? Go see the party boss. There were always strings attached

Local churches distributed food.....if you were willing to listen to a sermon
Local mob would help you out....for a future favor

Boss Tweed:William M. Tweed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Died in 1878 so he'd be doing well to hand out favors in 1920.
In fact the 19th and early 20th centuries had the greatest building of charitable institutions--hospitals, orphanages, etc--that the world has known. It was helped by an economic boom and no income tax. The gov't fixed all that and now we have among the most expensive entitlement systems in the world.

 

[rightwinger]

economies reliant on voluntary health and human services are all -- 100% -- 3rd world shitholes. the US will become one such shithole within a decade of your pipedream's realization, and will revert to the 3rd world status it enjoyed prior to h&hs/education being undertaken by government. that's that. not one medium or large nation on the planet is an exception to this qualifying factor, however, in your ignorance you see this as being an improvement to the US.

Private Charity is wonderful when the economy is booming.

"I just got a raise....I'm giving money to charity"
Year end bonus....I'm giving some to charity"
New job....I'm giving something to charity

However, once the economy is in a downturn, those charitable contributions are the first to go.......just when they are needed the most

FDR realized during the Great Depression that private charity could not fill the void. Too many people needing it and nobody contributing. The government is the only entity that can provide a consistent safety net during hard times.

A positive benefit of...... Socialism

Any proof of that or is it just another of your socialist fantasies?

Hmmmmm...let me scratch my head here Rabbi and ask myself why you would need proof that people give less money to charity during hard economic times

 

[Samson]

Private Charity is wonderful when the economy is booming.

"I just got a raise....I'm giving money to charity"
Year end bonus....I'm giving some to charity"
New job....I'm giving something to charity

However, once the economy is in a downturn, those charitable contributions are the first to go.......just when they are needed the most

FDR realized during the Great Depression that private charity could not fill the void. Too many people needing it and nobody contributing. The government is the only entity that can provide a consistent safety net during hard times.

A positive benefit of...... Socialism

Any proof of that or is it just another of your socialist fantasies?

Hmmmmm...let me scratch my head here Rabbi and ask myself why you would need proof that people give less money to charity during hard economic times

I admit that it does sound contradictory, however, if we could religion as charity I think I might explain: Whenever we have an acceptionally bad harvest, we always sacrifice MORE offerings to the gods.

 

[The Rabbi]

Any proof of that or is it just another of your socialist fantasies?

Hmmmmm...let me scratch my head here Rabbi and ask myself why you would need proof that people give less money to charity during hard economic times

I admit that it does sound contradictory, however, if we could religion as charity I think I might explain: Whenever we have an acceptionally bad harvest, we always sacrifice MORE offerings to the gods.

It isn't that contributions decline. That's a given. It's that contributions decline to the point that essential services are not offered is the issue. That is Nutwinger's fantasy that he will not provide evidence for.