CDZ There are 5 criminals attacking, which is better, O bullets, 5, 10 or 15 in your pistol.....

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    Congress had already made laws about the shooting in Sandy Hook......the killer broke all of them....
     
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    Joe is a big believer in big unlimited government run by elites (aka criminals). As such he thinks when these elites make laws, all will abide by them.

    When you don't live in reality, believing all sorts of absurdities is easy.
     
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    Then the background checks aren't strict enough.

    Dude, we have this discussion every time this kind of thing happens, and it's getting a bit boring.

    Someone commits some horrible act with a gun- Lanza, Holmes, Cho, Mateen, now this guy.

    And within a few days, the media finds out all sorts of stuff about these guys, that no one in their right mind ever would have let them have a gun.

    Now, here's a crazy idea. Instead of doing these kinds of investigations AFTER they've put themselves or a lot of other people in a morgue, how about doing these kinds of investigations BEFORE they get a gun?
     
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    They didn't make any laws, that was the problem. These things happen, and we don't do anything, and then the next thing happens.
     
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    It has become so common that most shootings aren't even reported. The only reason this one is getting so much press is who the targets were.

    If all of them had had guns, the chances are good that the result would have been the same - a person trained and experienced reacted quickly and shot the shooter. Even so, the shooter was able to do quite a lot damage.

    We all believed the horrendous Sandy Hook slaughter of little babies would have galvanized all of us. Instead, the gun lobby planted the idiotic conspiracy that it never happened and people were persuaded to buy more guns.

    The answer to gun deaths is not more gun deaths. Guns are a drug and pushers like 2aguy should man up and take responsibility for much of damage they do.




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    How many times have 5 people come after your ass at once? Try to come up with a real life scenario instead of something you saw in a video game or a Jason Borne movie. We know your imagination can get kinda out there at times. Try to stick to reality.
     
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    Exactly. This is where the fantasy falls apart.

    The belief that if the targets of yesterday's attack had been armed, they would have been able to change the outcome is undoubtedly wrong. Same with other shootings and all for the same reason - mental and emotional readiness to risk everything.

    Whatever the situation, the attacker has the advantage of already being pumped up on adrenalin and planning and most of all, the previous decisions that led up to the attack.

    The result is that the victim is trying to catch up while the attacker has already done enormous damage.


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    The real life scenario started this thread...in a country that banned guns for law abiding people...the criminals had a gun, and there were 5 of them....they also had machetes.....

    Please read the original thread to catch up.
     
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    Except it happens all the time....according to bill clinton and barak obama Americans use guns 1,500,000 times to stop violent criminal attack including mass public shootings......

    Here...a few mass shootings stopped by armed citizens...

    This Pastor was not an off duty cop....

    Deputies: Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense

    According to deputies, Parangan pulled out a handgun and fired multiple shots at Pastor Terry Howell, who took out his own weapon and fired back, striking Parangan.

    Howell was not injured, but Parangan was taken to Osceola Regional Medical Center in critical condition.

    Deputies said several church employees witnessed the incident and gave similar statements.

    this Psychiatrist was not an off duty cop.....

    Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

    The Pennsylvania patient accused of killing his caseworker in a psychiatric center shooting carried dozens of bullets — and he would have likely continued shooting if a doctor didn’t fire back, officials said.

    Richard Plotts, 49, is expected to be charged with murder for allegedly opening fire at Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center in Darby Thursday.

    After he killed his caseworker, 53-year-old Theresa Hunt, and shot his psychiatrist, Lee Silverman, the wounded doctor fired back, stopping the attack, District Attorney Jack Whelan said in a Friday press conference.

    Plotts had 39 more bullets on him. He intended a mass shooting, Whelan said.



    This Uber driver is not a cop....

    An Uber driver with a concealed handgun prevented a mass shooting in Chicago

    A driver with the ride-hailing service Uber put a stop to a potential mass shooting in Chicago over the weekend.

    Here's the Chicago Tribune, citing Assistant State's Attorney Barry Quinn:

    A group of people had been walking in front of the driver around 11:50 p.m. in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue when Everardo Custodio, 22, began firing into the crowd, Quinn said.

    The driver pulled out a handgun and fired six shots at Custodio, hitting him several times, according to court records. Responding officers found Custodio lying on the ground, bleeding, Quinn said. No other injuries were reported.

    The Orlando night club shooter....faced 300 unarmed people and killed 49...this shooter was shot by a concealed carry permit holder....at a night club two weeks after Orlando...

    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/0...ss-shooting-night-club-media-remained-silent/

    This past Sunday, exactly two weeks to the day after the Pulse attack, there was a mass shooting outside a night club in South Carolina. I’m sure you haven’t heard about it, and for two good reasons. The first reason is that the attempted murderer was unsuccessful in killing any of his victims. The second reason is because the attempted murderer was stopped by a concealed carrier at the club drawing his weapon and putting a bullet into the bad guy.
     
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    Here are Church mass shootings and the difference between armed citizens and unarmed victims.....the one previously linked is in here as well...

    Some details to help you make your guess....

    Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

    Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

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    Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

    6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

    Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)

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    No guns: 15 dead

    Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

    Charleston ( 9 dead)


    Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

    Osceola ( 0 dead )

    New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

    South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


    Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

    The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

    “No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”
     

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