The Zimmerman case disintegrates

[The Professor]

He pulled his gun and shot the kid even though he knew the cops would be there in a minute.

And it is most likely Zimmerman would be a dead man today if he had patiently waited for the police while some hood was on sitting on top of him banging his head against the pavement. How many more blows would it have taken to kill Zimmerman? To cause him serious bodily injury?

The legal standard is simple: If Zimmerman reasonably believed that Martin would cause him death or serious bodily injury, he had the right to use deadly force. He did not have to wait until he actually received serious bodily injury. You may not like the law, but that is irrelevant.

Zimmerman had multiple injuries to his face and head, but there was not a scratch on Martin (except for the knuckle that was split while pounding Zimmerman). An eyewitness claimed that Zimmerman was yelling for help, showing that he was defenseless and desperate. The EVIDENCE shows that Zimmerman was unable to defend himself against Martin's vicious attack and had no choice but to resort to deadly force.

When you're defenseless and someone is beating the crap out of you, a minute is a long, long time.

By the way, Zimmerman did not shoot a kid; he shot a fully grown man, a man who knocked him to the ground, sat on him and pounded him relentlessly. When a was a few weeks younger than Martin, I was in the Marine Corps. The Corps doesn't take kids, dear fellow.

 

[Truthmatters]

punching is less deadly than shooting

 

[ScienceRocks]

There was NEVER a goddamn case to begin with.

The bastard attacked him and he had a right to self defense.

 

[WorldWatcher]

How is being confronted when returning to your car (from what we know so far) starting a fight?

Actually we don't "know" that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle (he wasn't driving a car), we only have Zimmerman's claim that he was returning to his vehicle.

Of course this is the same claim that Martin jumped him at the "T" intersection of the sidewalk knocking him to the ground and Martin then mounting him and punching him repeatedly about the head requiring Zimmerman to then shoot Martin.

Of course this is inconsistent with the physical evidence since Martin's body was off the sidewalk and well down the south leg of the path.




So no, we don't "know" that Zimmerman was being truthful.



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It happens to be constistent with eyewitness accounts.


Zimmerman will walk. Deal with it.

What eye witness saw Zimmerman walking back to his vehicle and that Martin jumped him at the "T" intersection?



My understanding was the only "eyewitnesses" appeared after the fight had already started and was occurring down the path from where Zimmerman said it started. If there is an eyewitness who saw Zimmerman walking back to his truck please provide a link - it's the first I've heard of it.



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[Truthmatters]

was trayvon allowed to defend himself?

 

[ScienceRocks]

He pulled his gun and shot the kid even though he knew the cops would be there in a minute.

And it is most likely Zimmerman would be a dead man today if he had patiently waited for the police while some hood was on sitting on top of him banging his head against the pavement. How many more blows would it have taken to kill Zimmerman? To cause him serious bodily injury?

The legal standard is simple: If Zimmerman reasonably believed that Martin would cause him death or serious bodily injury, he had the right to use deadly force. He did not have to wait until he actually received serious bodily injury. You may not like the law, but that is irrelevant.

Zimmerman had multiple injuries to his face and head, but there was not a scratch on Martin (except for the knuckle that was split while pounding Zimmerman). An eyewitness claimed that Zimmerman was yelling for help, showing that he was defenseless and desperate. The EVIDENCE shows that Zimmerman was unable to defend himself against Martin's vicious attack and had no choice but to resort to deadly force.

When you're defenseless and someone is beating the crap out of you, a minute is a long, long time.

By the way, Zimmerman did not shoot a kid; he shot a fully grown man, a man who knocked him to the ground, sat on him and pounded him relentlessly. When a was a few weeks younger than Martin, I was in the Marine Corps. The Corps doesn't take kids, dear fellow.

There's a double standard when dealing with blacks. Fact. Zimmberman would of been better off being killed.

 

[PredFan]

He pulled his gun and shot the kid even though he knew the cops would be there in a minute.

Because the thug was trying to kill him.

 

[PredFan]

He pulled his gun and shot the kid even though he knew the cops would be there in a minute.

So a minute of getting your head bashed into the curb is acceptable, as long as the cops will be there at the end.

Also, where is the evidence Zimmerman had a GPS locator on him informing him the police vehicle will be there in exactly 1 minute?

You really are an idiot.

Recently voted the biggest idiot on USMB.

 

[PredFan]

How is being confronted when returning to your car (from what we know so far) starting a fight?

Actually we don't "know" that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle (he wasn't driving a car), we only have Zimmerman's claim that he was returning to his vehicle.

Of course this is the same claim that Martin jumped him at the "T" intersection of the sidewalk knocking him to the ground and Martin then mounting him and punching him repeatedly about the head requiring Zimmerman to then shoot Martin.

Of course this is inconsistent with the physical evidence since Martin's body was off the sidewalk and well down the south leg of the path.




So no, we don't "know" that Zimmerman was being truthful.



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Wow! you were there? You should testify.

 

[PredFan]

The meso had a right to defend his selve. This is one of the biggest fucking screw jobs in a long time on a innocent man.

The left doesn't give a damn about ones self defense.

It was originally about color. The left wanted to use this case to get the black man in their corner for the coming election. It probably worked, unfortunately for the US. But now they are desoperately trying to deny the obvious because they cannot stand to be wrong.

 

[PredFan]

punching is less deadly than shooting

Must....resist....getting.....banned........

 

[PredFan]

There was NEVER a goddamn case to begin with.

The bastard attacked him and he had a right to self defense.

Exactly. The only reason they went all ape shit over this case was because they originally heard that Zimmerman was white.

With an election coming up for a failure of a president, a case where a black man was dead at the hands of a white man with a gun, and a "White" police force in a small town "Covered it up", was looked at as something that could get the worst president in history re-elected.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The legal standard is simple: If Zimmerman reasonably believed that Martin would cause him death or serious bodily injury, he had the right to use deadly force. He did not have to wait until he actually received serious bodily injury. You may not like the law, but that is irrelevant.

And the jury will be asked to weigh the same standard, Martin attempted to evade Zimmerman twice (once by walking away that the club house and once by running away from the truck) yet Zimmerman continued pursuit (from Martins perspective). So Zimmerman's actions leading up to the incident will be something the Jury will be asked to consider.

(Personally I don't think his actions rise to Murder 2, but that will be for the jury to decide.)

Zimmerman had multiple injuries to his face and head, but there was not a scratch on Martin (except for the knuckle that was split while pounding Zimmerman).

The autopsy report describes a 1/8 x 1/4 inch abrasion on the forth finger of the left hand (Martin's non-dominant hand). It was not described as a split knuckle and the was no indication in the autopsy report that it was even fresh.

Then then goes to counter Zimmerman's claims because if he as being "pounded" as you and he claim with Martin's fists there would have been more damage to Martin's hand's as the head is a pretty boney structured to "pound" upon. If you look at the police photographs from that night you will see very little damage to Zimmerman's face after the blood from a bloody nose was wiped off.

An eyewitness claimed that Zimmerman was yelling for help, showing that he was defenseless and desperate.

And another eyewitness claimed it was Martin yelling showing that he was attacked.

The EVIDENCE shows that Zimmerman was unable to defend himself against Martin's vicious attack and had no choice but to resort to deadly force.

The evidence shows that Zimmerman was loosing the fight, the evidence does not show who attacked whom.

When you're defenseless and someone is beating the crap out of you, a minute is a long, long time.

Very true. If it is shown and accepted by the jury that Martin attacked Zimmerman then it will be all over.

On the other hand if the jury is convince that Zimmerman initiated hostilities and that Martin was therefore defending himself against an aggressor, then Zimmerman can be held responsible for leading up to the killing of Martin.


It will be interesting to watch how that plays out in front of the jury.

By the way, Zimmerman did not shoot a kid; he shot a fully grown man, a man who knocked him to the ground, sat on him and pounded him relentlessly. When a was a few weeks younger than Martin, I was in the Marine Corps. The Corps doesn't take kids, dear fellow.

If you were a few weeks younger than Martin (who had turned 17 two weeks before) that would have made you 16 years old. The Corps takes 16 year olds?



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[PredFan]

was trayvon allowed to defend himself?

How fucking stupid are you really? I didn't think even you could be this dense!

OMG!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Actually we don't "know" that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle (he wasn't driving a car), we only have Zimmerman's claim that he was returning to his vehicle.

Of course this is the same claim that Martin jumped him at the "T" intersection of the sidewalk knocking him to the ground and Martin then mounting him and punching him repeatedly about the head requiring Zimmerman to then shoot Martin.

Of course this is inconsistent with the physical evidence since Martin's body was off the sidewalk and well down the south leg of the path.




So no, we don't "know" that Zimmerman was being truthful.



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It happens to be constistent with eyewitness accounts.


Zimmerman will walk. Deal with it.

What eye witness saw Zimmerman walking back to his vehicle and that Martin jumped him at the "T" intersection?



My understanding was the only "eyewitnesses" appeared after the fight had already started and was occurring down the path from where Zimmerman said it started. If there is an eyewitness who saw Zimmerman walking back to his truck please provide a link - it's the first I've heard of it.



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It doesn't matter if Zimmerman was walking back or not, he committed no crime either way. The fact is Zimmerman was being beaten and calling for help.

You don't seem to trust Zimmerman's testimony. So who's testimony do you trust?

 

[The Professor]

He pulled his gun and shot the kid even though he knew the cops would be there in a minute.

And it is most likely Zimmerman would be a dead man today if he had patiently waited for the police while some hood was on sitting on top of him banging his head against the pavement. How many more blows would it have taken to kill Zimmerman? To cause him serious bodily injury?

The legal standard is simple: If Zimmerman reasonably believed that Martin would cause him death or serious bodily injury, he had the right to use deadly force. He did not have to wait until he actually received serious bodily injury. You may not like the law, but that is irrelevant.

Zimmerman had multiple injuries to his face and head, but there was not a scratch on Martin (except for the knuckle that was split while pounding Zimmerman). An eyewitness claimed that Zimmerman was yelling for help, showing that he was defenseless and desperate. The EVIDENCE shows that Zimmerman was unable to defend himself against Martin's vicious attack and had no choice but to resort to deadly force.

When you're defenseless and someone is beating the crap out of you, a minute is a long, long time.

By the way, Zimmerman did not shoot a kid; he shot a fully grown man, a man who knocked him to the ground, sat on him and pounded him relentlessly. When a was a few weeks younger than Martin, I was in the Marine Corps. The Corps doesn't take kids, dear fellow.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

was trayvon allowed to defend himself?

Against what?

Was he attacked? Please present the evidence that he had to defend himself.

 

[Truthmatters]

Present the evidence that shows he didnt

 

[WorldWatcher]

How is being confronted when returning to your car (from what we know so far) starting a fight?

Actually we don't "know" that Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle (he wasn't driving a car), we only have Zimmerman's claim that he was returning to his vehicle.

Of course this is the same claim that Martin jumped him at the "T" intersection of the sidewalk knocking him to the ground and Martin then mounting him and punching him repeatedly about the head requiring Zimmerman to then shoot Martin.

Of course this is inconsistent with the physical evidence since Martin's body was off the sidewalk and well down the south leg of the path.




So no, we don't "know" that Zimmerman was being truthful.



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Wow! you were there? You should testify.

No I wasn't there, but I have reviewed the evidence released to the public which is why:

[/indent][/indent]1. I can point out that there is no evidence supporting Zimmerman's claim that he was returning back to his vehicle, hence we don't "know".

2. The location of the body is inconsistent with Zimmerman's description of the evence, hence we don't "know".

3. Zimmerman has already shown a willingness to lie to the court (which we do know) and so don't "know" if he was speaking the truth about the way the event unfolded.[/indent][/indent]


So no I don't "know", however I was responding to Marty who did make that claim that we did "know". You might want to ask him if he was there and he plans to testify about what he "knows".



Thanks for asking though.


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[Lonestar_logic]

The legal standard is simple: If Zimmerman reasonably believed that Martin would cause him death or serious bodily injury, he had the right to use deadly force. He did not have to wait until he actually received serious bodily injury. You may not like the law, but that is irrelevant.

And the jury will be asked to weigh the same standard, Martin attempted to evade Zimmerman twice (once by walking away that the club house and once by running away from the truck) yet Zimmerman continued pursuit (from Martins perspective). So Zimmerman's actions leading up to the incident will be something the Jury will be asked to consider.

(Personally I don't think his actions rise to Murder 2, but that will be for the jury to decide.)

Zimmerman had multiple injuries to his face and head, but there was not a scratch on Martin (except for the knuckle that was split while pounding Zimmerman).

The autopsy report describes a 1/8 x 1/4 inch abrasion on the forth finger of the left hand (Martin's non-dominant hand). It was not described as a split knuckle and the was no indication in the autopsy report that it was even fresh.

Then then goes to counter Zimmerman's claims because if he as being "pounded" as you and he claim with Martin's fists there would have been more damage to Martin's hand's as the head is a pretty boney structured to "pound" upon. If you look at the police photographs from that night you will see very little damage to Zimmerman's face after the blood from a bloody nose was wiped off.




And another eyewitness claimed it was Martin yelling showing that he was attacked.



The evidence shows that Zimmerman was loosing the fight, the evidence does not show who attacked whom.

When you're defenseless and someone is beating the crap out of you, a minute is a long, long time.

Very true. If it is shown and accepted by the jury that Martin attacked Zimmerman then it will be all over.

On the other hand if the jury is convince that Zimmerman initiated hostilities and that Martin was therefore defending himself against an aggressor, then Zimmerman can be held responsible for leading up to the killing of Martin.


It will be interesting to watch how that plays out in front of the jury.

By the way, Zimmerman did not shoot a kid; he shot a fully grown man, a man who knocked him to the ground, sat on him and pounded him relentlessly. When a was a few weeks younger than Martin, I was in the Marine Corps. The Corps doesn't take kids, dear fellow.

If you were a few weeks younger than Martin (who had turned 17 two weeks before) that would have made you 16 years old. The Corps takes 16 year olds?



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Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch. Do you understand what that means? Of course he was going to follow Martin especially when he's running away. Innocent people do not evade or run away.