The wall won't work

[bripat9643]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

What makes you think anyone has to scale it unassisted? You throw a knotted rope over, someone holds it on each end, and it is trivial for anyone healthy to climb over.
But there are rivers and obstacles that make a contiguous wall impossible, and like the Berlin wall, people can tunnel under, go around, etc. And if it worked, food prices in the US would double.

Who is going to hold it on the US side?

Anyone healthy? You had best think that through again.

You can't go around a wall that goes from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico, unless you want to walk a few hundred miles and them take a LONG swim, dodging the Border Patrol boats!

If the border wall was really so easy to get around, they wouldn't be trying so hard to shoot it down. They're afraid of it.

Only because it is a waste of $20 billion, and will cause extinction of some species.

The real reason is you want to flood this country with Mexicans. Your excuses are bullshit.

 

[bripat9643]

Where in the world has a wall not worked?

Indeed. It seems that every time that a wall has been built, and supported, it has worked. And worked well.

"Belfast is a small city, but it’s demarcated by almost 100 ‘peace walls’ that separate Catholic and Protestant areas. Once serving as peace-keeping measures, they are now, in a post-Good Friday Agreement Northern Ireland, popular tourist locations. Here’s our brief guide to Northern Ireland’s peace lines."

The Story Behind Northern Ireland’s Peace Walls


Now that the walls are coming down, there are those who feel that maybe they shouldn't....

"Last week, Belfast tore down its first peace wall. These brick and wire boundaries were strung across roads, parks and even backyards during the period of the Northern Irish Troubles, in a bid to create manageable barriers between the province’s warring communities. With the walls in place, both sides of Northern Ireland’s sectarian divide found respite from daily tension and violence on their doorstep. Now, 18 years after the Good Friday Agreement that brokered a peace deal for the region, it’s time for these relics of former strife to come down. By 2023, all of Northern Ireland’s 48 peace walls (most of them in Belfast) will be demolished, ushering in a new era in which the province’s communities can live in both proximity and harmony.

That’s the aspiration at least, and a noble one at that. But while it’s true that inter-communal violence has dropped greatly and attitudes shifted in recent decades, the reality that Belfast’s peace walls have both shaped and reflected is complex. The walls don’t just prevent street violence. The practical and psychological barriers they have put up have fostered a sense of stability that, while ultimately untenable, will require delicate renegotiation."
The Complex Process of Demolishing Belfast's 'Peace Walls'

Belfast is completely different because both sides wanted the wall.
East Berlin is a better example of trying to impose a wall, and it obviously failed completely.
Democracy and walls are contradictory.

No, they're not. Athens had the Long Walls. Thebes had their walls. The only place that didn't have walls was Sparta and they weren't a democracy. You need to learn some history dude. Just sayin...

The Minoans also did not have walls. But those walls in Athens and Thebes were for people to shoot down from, not to prevent climbers. Walls without defenders never worked.

The Minoans live on an island, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Why are the Democrats against controlling illegal immigration?

Because we are a nation of immigrants, claiming ALL individuals have inherent rights, not just citizens. And because we need a larger population to compete with China and to support Social Security.

All countries have borders and immigration laws.
It's not racist or intolerant to control immigration.
What's really racist are people who believe that don't have to obey our immigration laws.
Think about it. What would happen if we stopped enforcing our immigration laws.

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Most countries do not claim to be a democracy built by immigrants like the US is. And in most countries, immigration laws mean you have to sign a list and take a pledge. That is about all. It is racist and intolerant to prevent immigration of American natives from places like Mexico, considering they used of own about a forth of this country. Our immigration laws are unfair and immoral. Nor are they at all necessary.

Mexico has borders and immigration laws.
They enforce their immigration laws.
They would never allow as much illegal immigration as we do.
There is nothing "unfair or immoral" about having immigration laws. That's just knutts.
Only real racist cretins believe that they don't have to respect our immigration laws.
Jorge Ramos "this is our country, not theirs"

Sure Mexico has immigration laws, but they would allow most US citizens in almost instantly. I know dozens who have done so. Most became Mexican citizens, others simply get a 99 year lease. Our immigration laws are not really legal, to discriminate against natives by giving them a lower quota then Europeans.

They don't allow Guatamalans in instantaneously. They have their preferences, and there's no reason we can't have preferences.

 

[Spare_change]

Yeah, sure you are.

Who do you think you're fooling, douchebag?

Were we not told that Mexico was paying for the wall? If Mexico pays for it I am all for it. You were hoaxed again you after school special!

Mexico will pay for the wall ... in several ways. You need to stop being stupid ... If you like, I'll be happy to educate you on how Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

So the Mexican government is taking money out of their treasury and handing it over to us like Rump said. They are going to fund the building and maintaining of the wall like we were told? This will get interesting!

Is that what Trump said? Or, is that what you want to believe Trump said? Grow up.

So Rump did not say Mexico was going to pay for the wall?
He did not say that they were going to like it?
And you rubes did not cheer loudly as he bald faced lied to you when he said it?

You, obviously, chose to hear only what you wanted to hear - and, then, chose to interpret it in the manner that best serves your purpose.

Trump said they would pay for the wall - he did not say they would write a big check. If we cut off aid to Mexico, that pays for the wall. If we save money on immigration enforcement, that pays for the wall. If we take business from Mexico, that pays for the wall.

Grow up.

 

[danielpalos]

Why are the Democrats against controlling illegal immigration?

Because we are a nation of immigrants, claiming ALL individuals have inherent rights, not just citizens. And because we need a larger population to compete with China and to support Social Security.

All countries have borders and immigration laws.
It's not racist or intolerant to control immigration.
What's really racist are people who believe that don't have to obey our immigration laws.
Think about it. What would happen if we stopped enforcing our immigration laws.

...

Most countries do not claim to be a democracy built by immigrants like the US is. And in most countries, immigration laws mean you have to sign a list and take a pledge. That is about all. It is racist and intolerant to prevent immigration of American natives from places like Mexico, considering they used of own about a forth of this country. Our immigration laws are unfair and immoral. Nor are they at all necessary.

Mexico has borders and immigration laws.
They enforce their immigration laws.
They would never allow as much illegal immigration as we do.
There is nothing "unfair or immoral" about having immigration laws. That's just knutts.
Only real racist cretins believe that they don't have to respect our immigration laws.
Jorge Ramos "this is our country, not theirs"

What a difference a Constitution makes. No wonder the French gave us, our Statue of Liberty.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I love it when I see this crap. You all know it will work and very effectively

Border Wall Models Thwart US Commandos In Tests

Recent assaults by tactical teams on prototypes of President Donald Trump’s proposed wall with Mexico indicate their imposing heights should stop border crossers, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the rigorous assessment told The Associated Press

The highly trained testers scaled 16 to 20 feet (4.9 to 6.1 meters) unassisted but needed help after that, said the official who described the assaults on the wall prototypes to the AP. Testers also expressed safety concerns about getting down from 30 feet

That fall is a doozey...and they need help to scale to 30 feet as special forces......it's gonna work and that's why people don't like it.

What makes you think anyone has to scale it unassisted? You throw a knotted rope over, someone holds it on each end, and it is trivial for anyone healthy to climb over.
But there are rivers and obstacles that make a contiguous wall impossible, and like the Berlin wall, people can tunnel under, go around, etc. And if it worked, food prices in the US would double.

If trained commandos couldn't do it, I really doubt Jose could. I love it when you guys think it's so easy to scale walls......hint it's not...that's why even today they are still effective barriers.

 

[buckeye45_73]

A wall is not necessary for border security, but it’s not going to hurt.

It wouldn't hurt if Mexico actually paid for it. Since they aren't, however, it will hurt. Repair our bridges, improve our roads, rebuild our airports or update our water systems instead. The wall won't stop illegal immigration. It's simply a token....a very, very, expensive token.

You guys don't care about wasting government money, so spare us the cost lesson
And walls work all the time.
and Mexico will pay for the wall. How do you lefties not know anything about power dynamics in a relationship?

Lefties do not believe in wasteful spending, but spending that saves money, like public health care, free tuition, housing subsidies, etc.
The wall won't save any money because immigrants don't cost anything, and instead they prop up agriculture and other US businesses.

Walls don't work any time. East Berlin was about the most recent attempt at a wall, and clearly it did not at all work.

There is a trade deficit with Mexico that is more than the cost of the wall, but that is private enterprise, not government money, so there is absolutely no way to divert any of that private money into public wall funding. If trade with the US somehow became more expensive, such as a tariff to pay for a wall, then Mexico would just sent its products to a different market, that did not have tariffs. So there is no way to get money out of Mexico.

What screwed up alternative history novel have you been reading?

What are you referring to?
{... Between 1945 and 1988, around 4 million East Germans migrated to the West. 3.454 million of them left between 1945 and the construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961. The great majority simply walked across the border or, after 1952, exited through West Berlin. After the border was fortified and the Berlin Wall was constructed, the number of illegal border crossings fell drastically. The numbers fell further as the border defenses were improved over the subsequent decades. In 1961, 8,507 people fled across the border, most of them through West Berlin. The construction of the Berlin Wall that year reduced the number of escapees by 75% to around 2,300 per annum for the rest of the decade. The Wall changed Berlin from being one of the easiest places to cross the border, from the East, to being one of the most difficult.[1] The number of escapees fell further to 868 per annum during the 1970s and to only 334 per annum between 1980 and 1988. However, escapees were never more than a small minority of the total number of emigrants from East Germany. Far more people left the country after being granted official permits, by fleeing through third countries or by being ransomed by the West German government. During the 1980s, only about 1% of those who left East Germany did so by escaping across the border.
...}
Escape attempts and victims of the inner German border - Wikipedia

So 4 million people from 45-88 43 years
pre wall 3.5 million 45-61 16 years 218,000 per year
wall 500,000 61-88 22 years 2272 per year

so by your numbers, it was a dramatic decrease. with 6 extra years, you had 3 million less people cross. and look at those per year numbers.......waaaaaay down.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Were we not told that Mexico was paying for the wall? If Mexico pays for it I am all for it. You were hoaxed again you after school special!

Mexico will pay for the wall ... in several ways. You need to stop being stupid ... If you like, I'll be happy to educate you on how Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

So the Mexican government is taking money out of their treasury and handing it over to us like Rump said. They are going to fund the building and maintaining of the wall like we were told? This will get interesting!

Is that what Trump said? Or, is that what you want to believe Trump said? Grow up.

So Rump did not say Mexico was going to pay for the wall?
He did not say that they were going to like it?
And you rubes did not cheer loudly as he bald faced lied to you when he said it?

You, obviously, chose to hear only what you wanted to hear - and, then, chose to interpret it in the manner that best serves your purpose.

Trump said they would pay for the wall - he did not say they would write a big check. If we cut off aid to Mexico, that pays for the wall. If we save money on immigration enforcement, that pays for the wall. If we take business from Mexico, that pays for the wall.

Grow up.

So you and he are saying no check or cash then correct?

 

[JoeB131]

You, obviously, chose to hear only what you wanted to hear - and, then, chose to interpret it in the manner that best serves your purpose.

Trump said they would pay for the wall - he did not say they would write a big check. If we cut off aid to Mexico, that pays for the wall. If we save money on immigration enforcement, that pays for the wall. If we take business from Mexico, that pays for the wall.

Grow up.

Except none of those things are going to happen, either.

First, we aren't going to save money on immigration enforcement. To get to Trump's wet dream, we'd have to spend more.

Our aid to Mexico (mostly spent to assist them in drug enforcement) is only 419 million a year. It will cost at least 20 Billion to build the wall. So we'd have to cut off aid for 50 years to pay for the wall. What you also fail to realize is most foreign aid benefits the US. The aid is spent on American products that are shipped to Mexico (and other countries).

As for "taking business from Mexico", again, Mexico nearly buys as much from us as we do from them...

But anything to fool the rednecks, I guess.

 

[bripat9643]

You, obviously, chose to hear only what you wanted to hear - and, then, chose to interpret it in the manner that best serves your purpose.

Trump said they would pay for the wall - he did not say they would write a big check. If we cut off aid to Mexico, that pays for the wall. If we save money on immigration enforcement, that pays for the wall. If we take business from Mexico, that pays for the wall.

Grow up.

Except none of those things are going to happen, either.

First, we aren't going to save money on immigration enforcement. To get to Trump's wet dream, we'd have to spend more.

Our aid to Mexico (mostly spent to assist them in drug enforcement) is only 419 million a year. It will cost at least 20 Billion to build the wall. So we'd have to cut off aid for 50 years to pay for the wall. What you also fail to realize is most foreign aid benefits the US. The aid is spent on American products that are shipped to Mexico (and other countries).

As for "taking business from Mexico", again, Mexico nearly buys as much from us as we do from them...

But anything to fool the rednecks, I guess.

You mean it benefits a few Americans at the expense of everyone else. Sending products at zero cost to Mexico does not benefit Americans as a whole, moron. Furthermore, the wall will save money on all the welfare and government services sucked up by illegals, not to mention the cost of all the crimes they commit.

There's no benefit to not building the wall. None.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean it benefits a few Americans at the expense of everyone else. Sending products at zero cost to Mexico does not benefit Americans as a whole, moron. Furthermore, the wall will save money on all the welfare and government services sucked up by illegals, not to mention the cost of all the crimes they commit.

There's no benefit to not building the wall. None.

Except the Wall won't work. People will still find ways to get in as long as there are jobs Americans won't do or don't want to do for that money.

And Trump already blinked on the Dreamers. Imagine that.

 

[bripat9643]

You mean it benefits a few Americans at the expense of everyone else. Sending products at zero cost to Mexico does not benefit Americans as a whole, moron. Furthermore, the wall will save money on all the welfare and government services sucked up by illegals, not to mention the cost of all the crimes they commit.

There's no benefit to not building the wall. None.

Except the Wall won't work. People will still find ways to get in as long as there are jobs Americans won't do or don't want to do for that money.

And Trump already blinked on the Dreamers. Imagine that.

I've already demonstrated time after time after time that walls do work. All the ones that have been built since WW II work marevelously well.

 

[JoeB131]

I've already demonstrated time after time after time that walls do work. All the ones that have been built since WW II work marevelously well.

No, you really haven't. Most of the walls built since WWII have been to keep people in, not keep them out.

 

[my2¢]

You all know it will work and very effectively

I'd go so far as calling it "goodly effective" but "very effective" is somewhat a reach.
Estimates are that between one-third and one-half of the illegals entered the country through legal means but simply never went back.

 

[bripat9643]

I've already demonstrated time after time after time that walls do work. All the ones that have been built since WW II work marevelously well.

No, you really haven't. Most of the walls built since WWII have been to keep people in, not keep them out.

That's also a big fat lie. Does the fence around the White House keep people out or keep people in?

 

[bripat9643]

You all know it will work and very effectively

I'd go so far as calling it "goodly effective" but "very effective" is somewhat a reach.
Estimates are that between one-third and one-half of the illegals entered the country through legal means but simply never went back.

The estimate is 40%, and how does that prove walls aren't effective?

 

[RadicalRedneck]

Where in the world has a wall not worked?

Ever hear of the Maginot line. Probably the greatest failure ever.

Only because of the Stupidity of the French

 

[dannyboys]

Why are there thousands of 'gated communities in the US?
Why does Hillary have a wall surrounding her mansion?
Why does Maxine Waters have a wall around her mansion?
If Crying Chuck and Nancy became convinced the illegals were going to end up voting REP they would be standing guard at the border with fucking baseball bats.

 

[JoeB131]

That's also a big fat lie. Does the fence around the White House keep people out or keep people in?

Well, it didn't keep Trump out....

 

[bripat9643]

That's also a big fat lie. Does the fence around the White House keep people out or keep people in?

Well, it didn't keep Trump out....

It keeps Hillary out, doesn't it?