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To do this right, we are going to have to switch our whole grid from point source to distributed. That will require a decade or more of work. Then there is the building of the grid into areas with high solar and wind potential. The building of energy storage, batteries, pumped hydro, liquid air, ect. that will require the work of many different disciplines. Yes, some trades and disciplines will suffer. How many people are crying about buggy whip manufacturers today?I'm sure they are growing....
But, unlike petroleum for example, there is no exploration where you look for the oil, there is no drilling operation to extract the oil, there is no transport drivers to transport the crude OR pipeline crews to build pipelines to transport the crude, refining operations, etc...
The sun comes up, it shines on the panels, energy is generated and that is that.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that solar/wind/hydro is better in terms of costs and pollution. I don't know what happens to the seismologists, roughnecks, and truck drivers though. I doubt there is a 1:1 ratio of jobs in manufacturing panels, turbines, etc... let alone the re-training costs.
I hope I'm wrong...but I don't see it.
10,000 square miles. Yes, with just a fraction of roofs and buildings.Well, if what you're saying is true, it would seem as though you could get 10,000 square feet with a fraction of roofs and buildings...
To do this right, we are going to have to switch our whole grid from point source to distributed. That will require a decade or more of work. Then there is the building of the grid into areas with high solar and wind potential. The building of energy storage, batteries, pumped hydro, liquid air, ect. that will require the work of many different disciplines. Yes, some trades and disciplines will suffer. How many people are crying about buggy whip manufacturers today?
Ivanpah is irrelevant. It is PV that will be the future of solar. And as the solar panels achieve between 30% and 40% efficiency, they will drive out almost every other source of generation other than wind.How's Ivanpah going, Old Rockinthehead?
Oh, you mean Americans are too fucking stupid to manufacture solar panels? Not every American is as intellectually deficient as you are.Working at a solar manufacturing plant in fucking China?
Yup I knew it all along you where a Chinese bot, comrade
LOL A typical dumb ass "Conservative" reply.How the fuck does higher energy bills save me the consumer money?
A libtard will never know math.
Your graph fails to show all the other energy sources.You are a joke. And how much was there in Arizona in 2000? The recent drop in the cost of solar panels has made it the least expensive form of new generation. And this graph shows the result;
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“Point source to distributed”? What are you babbling about?To do this right, we are going to have to switch our whole grid from point source to distributed. That will require a decade or more of work. Then there is the building of the grid into areas with high solar and wind potential. The building of energy storage, batteries, pumped hydro, liquid air, ect. that will require the work of many different disciplines. Yes, some trades and disciplines will suffer. How many people are crying about buggy whip manufacturers today?
No it’s that Chinese slave labor is hard to compete with.Oh, you mean Americans are too fucking stupid to manufacture solar panels? Not every American is as intellectually deficient as you are.
All these new conversations/threads (in fact for several years) are about Solar being the Cheapest, PERIOD in many/most situations.Your graph fails to show all the other energy sources.
Solar is still heavily subsidized. If it was worth it’s trouble, everyone would be doing it and there would be solar plants everywhere.
As I have said in the past, I don’t have anything against solar power. It has its place as a nice supplement to large scale power grids, but it will never be relied upon as the primary energy source for a bulk electric system. Solar is extremely inefficient, heavy upfront cost, and requires replacement in less than 20 years. And of course there is the fact it cannot produce any energy at night.
Price of solar is lower/lowest, because it has gotten 85 percent more efficient in the last decade, and up-front interest costs are low for several years now.No it’s that Chinese slave labor is hard to compete with.
That's why President Trump put a big tariff on Chinese solar panels.
Then why does it only make up barely 5% of Arizona’s energy?Price of solar is lower/lowest, because it has gotten 85 percent more efficient in the last decade, and up-front interest costs are low for several years now.
Huge swing for these front loaded but back-end cheap Renewables.
Solar is the cheapest UNsubsidized in any sunny spot.
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Then why does it only make up barely 5% of Arizona’s energy?
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Yea, “new” generation. Because all the tried and true stuff has been working for DECADES. It’s not like we can build a new nuclear plant every other year. It’s not like we can just build a new dam either.I have a better 'How Come' for you.
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Renewables made up 92% of new generating capacity in the U.S. in the first half of 2021
[...]"...data recently released by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) and the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)...
FERC’s latest monthly “Energy Infrastructure Update” report (with data through June 30, 2021) reveals that renewable energy sources accounted for 91.6% – or 10,940 megawatts (MW) – of the 11,940 MW of new capacity added during the first six months of the year. Wind led the capacity additions with 5,617 MW, followed closely by solar (5,279 MW). Further, wind and solar were the only sources of new capacity additions in June 2021.
Renewables now provide more than a quarter (25.1%) of total U.S. available installed generating capacity. A year ago, their share was only 23.0%. Wind is now more than a tenth (10.4%) of the nation’s generating capacity while utility-scale solar is nearly five percent (4.9%) … and that does not include distributed (e.g., rooftop) solar.
Moreover, FERC data suggest that renewables’ share of generating capacity is on track to increase significantly over the next three years (i.e., by June 2024). “High probability” generation capacity additions for wind, minus anticipated retirements, reflect a projected net increase of 21,129 MW while solar is foreseen growing by 44,385 MW. By comparison, net growth for natural gas will be only 13,241 MW. Thus, wind and solar combined are forecast to provide roughly five times more new net generating capacity than natural gas over the next three years.
If these numbers materialize, by June 2024, renewable energy generating capacity should account for almost 30 percent (29.4%) of the nation’s total available installed generating capacity.
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`Renewables made up 92% of new generating capacity in the U.S. in the first half of 2021
Renewable energy sources dominated new U.S. electrical generating capacity additions in the first half of 2021.
So SollyYea, “new” generation. Because all the tried and true stuff has been working for DECADES. It’s not like we can build a new nuclear plant every other year. It’s not like we can just build a new dam either.
Pull your head out of your ass. Solar will NOT replace any of hose generation sources, it will NOT ever be the majority energy producer. It CAN’T since it produces NOTHING at night. Peak power use happens in the evenings. So stop being a moron and pushing this pipedream.
These days, EDF looks like an unlikely white knight. The market value of the company has collapsed, from more than €150bn (£132bn) in 2008 to roughly €30bn (£26bn) today, and the French nuclear industry is facing an existential crisis. Because many of the 58 nuclear reactors in France were built in the 1970s, they are now reaching the end of their lifespan simultaneously. Not only is France’s nuclear industry facing the costs of decommissioning, which were grossly underestimated, but almost no new nuclear power stations are being built. At present, nuclear energy provides about 75% of France’s electricity, so the potential for a disastrous energy shortfall is growing by the day.
Good plan, cover parking lots with solar panels and all the homeless will live there who CANT AFFORD the higher power billsAn area 100 miles by 100 miles would power the whole of the US with present efficiency of solar panels. That can be easily achieved with paneling every roof and building in the US with panels. You seem to forget that we have vast areas like parking lots that can easily be covered with panels that would serve double purpose. And then there is agrivoltaics that would be a vast boon for the farmers.
Uhm you fucking twit China corners the market a decade ago with cheap labor but you knew thatOh, you mean Americans are too fucking stupid to manufacture solar panels? Not every American is as intellectually deficient as you are.
Uhm no, Solar got cheaper because of you exploring 50 cent a day Chinese sweat shop labor .Price of solar is lower/lowest, because it has gotten 85 percent more efficient in the last decade, and up-front interest costs are low for several years now.
Huge swing for these front loaded but back-end cheap Renewables.
Solar is the cheapest UNsubsidized in any sunny spot.
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Solar has gotten cheaper due to technological development and the economies of scale. Certainly labor costs factor in but the same can be said of any manufacturing process and does not refute his argument.Uhm no, Solar got cheaper because of you exploring 50 cent a day Chinese sweat shop labor .
