The unsustainability of "green" energy

[P@triot]

And the hits just keep on coming....

the radical leftwing environmentalists took control. These are people who care more about the supposed rise of the oceans than the financial survival of the middle class. The industrial unions made a catastrophic decision to get in bed with these radicals and now they—and all of us—are paying a heavy price.


The latest evidence came last week when another coal giant in America, Peabody Energy Corp., declared bankruptcy. This is the same fate suffered by Arch Coal Inc., Alpha Natural Resources Inc., and other coal producers that have filed for Chapter 11 protection from creditors.

The Green War Against the Working Class

 

[P@triot]

Another prime example of the unsustainability of the "green" energy farce....

The death Of American Coal

There was a time in America - and it wasn't even so long ago - that liberals actually cared about working class people. They may have been misguided in many of their policy solutions - i.e., raising the minimum wage - but at least their heart was in the right place.

Then a strange thing happened about a decade ago. The radical left wing environmentalists took control of the Democratic Party. These are crazies who care more about the supposed rise of the oceans than the financial survival of the middle class. The industrial unions made a catastrophic decision to get in bed with these radicals and now they - and all of us - are paying a heavy price.

STEPHEN MOORE: The death of American coal

 

[mamooth]

Are you also upset about the loss of jobs in buggy whip factories?

Coal mining employs few people now. It's not the 1950's. It's an insignificant sector of the economy now. Hence, the buggy whip thing is a good comparison. That is, if the buggy whips were a pollution nightmare as well.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you also upset about the loss of jobs in buggy whip factories?

Coal mining employs few people now. It's not the 1950's. It's an insignificant sector of the economy now. Hence, the buggy whip thing is a good comparison. That is, if the buggy whips were a pollution nightmare as well.

Coal mining employs few people now. It's not the 1950's. It's an insignificant sector of the economy now. Hence, the buggy whip thing is a good comparison.

Coal generated 33% of US electricity last year. Solar 0.6%. Wind 4.7%.

That "buggy whip" produced more than 6 times the electricity of solar and wind combined.
Only a moron would think a buggy whip is a good comparison.

 

[mamooth]

So you're going to cling to that dying technology to the bitter end?

So be it. Not anyone else's problem.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you're going to cling to that dying technology to the bitter end?

So be it. Not anyone else's problem.

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?
In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.1 About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1

• Coal = 33%
• Natural gas = 33%
• Nuclear = 20%
• Hydropower = 6%
• Other renewables = 7%
  • Biomass = 1.6%
  • Geothermal = 0.4%
  • Solar = 0.6%
  • Wind = 4.7%
• Petroleum = 1%
• Other gases = <1%

• 
  What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

 

[elektra]

You can not make a Wind Turbine without drilling for Oil. You make more Wind Turbines, you need to drill for more oil. Wind Turbine manufacturer is a new use, a new demand for Oil. Wind Turbines are not sustainable, they demand an increase in Oil production.

To save the World we must destroy it.

 

[P@triot]

So you're going to cling to that dying technology to the bitter end?

So be it. Not anyone else's problem.

So you're going to make up shit as you go mamooth - then try to change the subject when your astounding ignorance is exposed for everyone to see? The fact that you don't even know how significant coal is on our energy sector means you are not qualified to be speaking about energy at all. But you never were one to let ignorance stop you from jumping in on a conversation, uh?

The only thing "dying" is the "green energy" farce. Solyndra was illegally handed $500 million from the federal government and they still went out of business. How the frick can you fail with $500 million free from someone?!?! It's literally impossible unless you have a failed product that nobody wants. So please....tell me which one is "dying". Idiot.

 

[P@triot]

So you're going to cling to that dying technology to the bitter end?

So be it. Not anyone else's problem.

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?
In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.1 About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1

• Coal = 33%
• Natural gas = 33%
• Nuclear = 20%
• Hydropower = 6%
• Other renewables = 7%
  • Biomass = 1.6%
  • Geothermal = 0.4%
  • Solar = 0.6%
  • Wind = 4.7%
• Petroleum = 1%
• Other gases = <1%

• 
  What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

The "genius" formerly known as mamooth believes that the #1 source of energy "employs few people" and is a "dying technology". Every single day, liberals still find ways to amaze me with their astounding ignorance. You can tell they never turn off MSNBC and never go to any site other than Salon.com. They don't question their leaders. They don't do research. They are simply lazy parasites parroting whatever their masters spoon feed them.

 

[P@triot]

So you're going to cling to that dying technology to the bitter end?

So be it. Not anyone else's problem.

Here is a basic question (we need to dumb this down to the liberals level). If coal is (and I quote) a "dying technology" why do liberals in government feel the need to try to put it out of business? Won't it just go out of business on it's own if it is "dying"? Furthermore, if coal is "dying" then that opens up a massive hole in energy needs to fill. With such a great opportunity, why does government need to throw hundreds of billions of dollars every single year to the "green" energy sector to keep it afloat?

Because the truth is - the "green" energy sector is a failed concept which can't sustain itself at all (and even billionaire "green energy" supporters like Bill Gates refuse to put their own money into it because they know the money simply disappears with nothing to show for it). If liberals have to illegally take tax payer money to help one industry, and have to intentionally try to bankrupt another with regulations designed to bankrupt it, it's very clear which is the industry that is "dying".

 

[P@triot]

More indisputable evidence of the unsustainability of "green" energy...

"Free enterprise will spur the next energy revolution, just as it has the latest oil and gas revolution that’s lowering the cost of living for Americans. Competition will provide incremental improvements in energy, for conventional natural resources and for renewable technologies.

As energy prices rise and fall, markets respond accordingly. Higher prices at the pump, for instance, incentivize companies to extract more oil and invest in technologies to produce the oil more cheaply and efficiently. Higher prices encourage exploration into alternative power sources for vehicles, whether it is biofuels, batteries, natural gas, or something entirely different."


How Washington Politicians Wasted Billions Trying to ‘Invest in Our Future’

 

[elektra]

The "genius" formerly known as mamooth believes that the #1 source of energy "employs few people" and is a "dying technology". Every single day, liberals still find ways to amaze me with their astounding ignorance. You can tell they never turn off MSNBC and never go to any site other than Salon.com. They don't question their leaders. They don't do research. They are simply lazy parasites parroting whatever their masters spoon feed them.

I like to call, he/she, maMOOT, its points are moot.

 

[mamooth]

Rotty's getting obsessed. I believe the reason is "butthurt over being humiliated".

So first Rotty whines about coal companies going bankrupt. Then he whines it's not a dying industry. And doesn't see the contradiction.

About 75,000 people work in the coal industry. Over a million now work in renewable energy. Rotty wants to toss that million out of work to save the 75,000.

The number has coal workers been dropping steadily since the 1950s, no matter who was in office. All those coal jobs lost under Republican presidents? Rotty doesn't care. He'll blame it on the liberals somehow.

Poor Rotty. His beloved coal industry can't survive without having its polluting externalities subsidized. The gubmint is finally removing those subsidies, so Rotty is throwing a socialist fit over the free market working its magic. No Rotty, you may not have more subsidies just because you whine about them.

 

[elektra]

Rotty's getting obsessed. I believe the reason is "butthurt over being humiliated".

So first Rotty whines about coal companies going bankrupt. Then he whines it's not a dying industry. And doesn't see the contradiction.

About 75,000 people work in the coal industry. Over a million now work in renewable energy. Rotty wants to toss that million out of work to save the 75,000.

The number has coal workers been dropping steadily since the 1950s, no matter who was in office. All those coal jobs lost under Republican presidents? Rotty doesn't care. He'll blame it on the liberals somehow.

Poor Rotty. His beloved coal industry can't survive without having its polluting externalities subsidized. The gubmint is finally removing those subsidies, so Rotty is throwing a socialist fit over the free market working its magic. No Rotty, you may not have more subsidies just because you whine about them.

You can't build the Renewable Energy without Coal, so those 75,000 are working for the Renewable Energy Industry.

 

[elektra]

According to Moot, it takes 1,000,000 people to make 1% of the USA's power if it is Renewable Energy funded by the government, but it takes only 75,000 to make 40% of the USA's power from Coal.

I guess once we employ 40,000,000 people in Solar and Wind, we will have replaced those 75,000 coal workers.

 

[mamooth]

According to Mamooth, you're lying about what I supposedly said, because you couldn't address what I actually said.

Now, if you'd like to address what I actually said, give it a try. Should I go over my points again, maybe in smaller words to help you out? Let me know specifically what it was that confused you so much. After all, my mission is use the light of reason to banish the darkness of your barbarism.

Oh, until you address me politely, I'll be referring to you as "pissguzzler". Remember pissguzzler, I return the respect I'm given. If you can't act like a grownup, then I get to have fun making you cry.

 

[P@triot]

Rotty's getting obsessed. I believe the reason is "butthurt over being humiliated".

So first Rotty whines about coal companies going bankrupt. Then he whines it's not a dying industry. And doesn't see the contradiction.

About 75,000 people work in the coal industry. Over a million now work in renewable energy. Rotty wants to toss that million out of work to save the 75,000.

The number has coal workers been dropping steadily since the 1950s, no matter who was in office. All those coal jobs lost under Republican presidents? Rotty doesn't care. He'll blame it on the liberals somehow.

Poor Rotty. His beloved coal industry can't survive without having its polluting externalities subsidized. The gubmint is finally removing those subsidies, so Rotty is throwing a socialist fit over the free market working its magic. No Rotty, you may not have more subsidies just because you whine about them.

Mammy got whipped so bad with facts that she has to resort to personal insults. Typical.

Coal mining isn't "going bankrupt" nor did I ever say that. Nice straw man. The fact that you have to lie about what I said is proof that you've been defeated. So I'll ask the same two dumbed-down just for liberals questions again that you are clearly too afraid to address:

• Why is Hillary Clinton and other libtards threatening to bankrupt the coal industry with regulations if it's "dying" on it's own?

• If "over a million people" (clearly a bullshit claim since you have no link to back up your lie), why does the government need to spend hundreds of billions to keep it from collapsing?!?

I can understand you fear in addressing these simple questions as they really illustrate the absurdity of your position. But if you do find the courage - let me know.

 

[P@triot]

According to Mamooth, you're lying about what I supposedly said, because you couldn't address what I actually said.

Now, if you'd like to address what I actually said, give it a try. Should I go over my points again, maybe in smaller words to help you out? Let me know specifically what it was that confused you so much. After all, my mission is use the light of reason to banish the darkness of your barbarism.

Oh, until you address me politely, I'll be referring to you as "pissguzzler". Remember pissguzzler, I return the respect I'm given. If you can't act like a grownup, then I get to have fun making you cry.

He just completely bent you over and made you his bitch... You've got nowhere to go after he used your own logic to destroy your absurd position.

 

[P@triot]

According to Moot, it takes 1,000,000 people to make 1% of the USA's power if it is Renewable Energy funded by the government, but it takes only 75,000 to make 40% of the USA's power from Coal.

I guess once we employ 40,000,000 people in Solar and Wind, we will have replaced those 75,000 coal workers.

I salute you sir. Basic math is not the strong point of liberals. Then again, neither is basic economics. Or basic business. Or basic civics. Or basic history. Or....well...you get the idea.

 

[mamooth]

Great. Rotty's gone stalker-bitch on me. I seem to collect weepy obsessed stalker bitches.

Mammy got whipped so bad with facts that she has to resort to personal insults. Typical.

So, you fling insults, then whine about insults. That is, you're a whiner and a hypocrite, a really winning combo.

Obviously, I fling insults too. Difference is, I'm good at it, and I don't whine about getting it back. You need to learn that crying at me only encourages me, because it shows me I've hit a sore spot, and therefore I should keep punching there.

Coal mining isn't "going bankrupt" nor did I ever say that. Nice straw man.

I didn't say you said that. Nice lie.

The fact that you have to lie about what I said is proof that you've been defeated.

I said "first Rotty whines about coal companies going bankrupt"

In post #62, you whined about two coal companies going bankrupt, just as I said.

Enjoy eating that big heapin' pile of shit, now that you've been busted for lying.

So I'll ask the same two dumbed-down just for liberals questions again that you are clearly too afraid to address:

I answered 'em directly. Well, at least the one that wasn't a dishonest strawman. But being you are who you are, you cut and ran. Same old same old.

Why is Hillary Clinton and other libtards threatening to bankrupt the coal industry with regulations if it's "dying" on it's own?

And I pointed out that the coal industry relies on socialist subsidies of its pollution externalities, and that making them pay for those externalities is good capitalism. Must have been the capitalism thing that got you so angry.

If "over a million people" (clearly a bullshit claim since you have no link to back up your lie), why does the government need to spend hundreds of billions to keep it from collapsing?!?

Government doesn't. You just made up a dishonest strawman. Why don't you try asking an honest question? Oh, that's right, you're not capable of it.

Now, if your phrased your question more honestly, I'd point out the free market sucks balls at long term planning. Hence, government needs to help steer capitalism. You know, like Adam Smith taught. I understand if you're not familiar with him, being you're more of a Marx guy.

I can understand you fear in addressing these simple questions as they really illustrate the absurdity of your position. But if you do find the courage - let me know.

I understand you're my sweet sweet little bitch now. I think everyone understands that. If you can locate your testicles, try giving some honest answers, instead of just crying at me harder.