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Don't tell me, things like pens on different side of the oval desk, colour of underpants etc.. takes the focus of the debate away, those make all the difference!! Lol.Bush and Obama had 8 years. Trump did his is 4 years. In eight years the debt went up 9 trillion under Obama. It went up 7.8 trillion in Trump's 4 years. And you really want to try and defend any of this?
Don't tell me, things like pens on different side of the oval desk, colour of underpants etc.. takes the focus of the debate away, those make all the difference!! Lol.
Obama and Bush created larger debt. That's why in the op, it says Trump was in third place. Did you miss that??
You need to focus on Obama, then Bust first, unless you have TDS. Trump obsession is devaluing important dimensions of your life.
No deflection, the only deflection is in the op, side stepping 1st and 2nd place.They did. In double the time. You for some unknown reason want to deflect from Trump's 7.8 trillion in only 4 years.
I've condemned both Bush and Obama on their debt. For some reason you can't do the same for Trump.
No deflection, the only deflection is in the op, side stepping 1st and 2nd place.
Yes he did, I honestly thought he would have reduced the debt so that was a big let down. As I've previously said in the forum some years ago, America doesn't have anyone capable of reducing America's debt. And the Constitution is flawed, it should allow an outside foreigner to come in as president to sort the problem out.So did Trump fail at the debt? 7.8 trillion in 4 years?
Yes he did, I honestly thought he would have reduced the debt so that was a big let down. As I've previously said in the forum some years ago, America doesn't have anyone capable of reducing America's debt. And the Constitution is flawed, it should allow an outside foreigner to come in as president to sort the problem out.
Also, yes 4 years. So the question is, would it have gone up further or lower in the next four years. But COVID scuppered that and no one knows because Trump served one term.
Compare and contrast, Obama and Bush had two terms to gets to grip with debt, but they didn't/couldn't. So they're twice as bad as Trump with debt. But is Trump really just a Democrat in Republican clothing.
"That kind of thinking" is the D.C. culture in a nutshell. The one party system is steeped in that sort of insane logic.Trump said the debt didn't matter because we can just print money. That kind of thinking is a major problem. Trump isn't alone in that kind of thinking and yes, we need to find someone that understands the long term damage that is doing.
Yes, same as Obama and Bush.Trump said the debt didn't matter because we can just print money. That kind of thinking is a major problem. Trump isn't alone in that kind of thinking and yes, we need to find someone that understands the long term damage that is doing.
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Yes, same as Obama and Bush.
America's national debt
Should America, and no doubt other countries, bring a law in that the current President/Prime Minister/party etc.. must leave office with balanced books, meaning, they can't add to the current debt level. But from the start due to the level of national debt, the debt must decrease X amount each...
All I see is, American political discussions are just about flinging poo and scoring points. And to do this, people have to forget that their side was just as bad if not worse.Yes, they all failed us badly. All of them. Oddly we still want to continue to elect them.
You just saidWhat? When is time to cut spending? If now then let's do it now. Right now democrats refuse to even talk about cutting spending.
So how is that pork? Wait never mind...you are the clown that thought the Judicial branch was ran by the Executive and Legislative branches...how can we expect you to know what "pork" is in political terms.WTF?
From the Trump regime?
U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told Congress Wednesday that the Trump administration intends to keep secret the names of the businesses that have received more than $500 billion in COVID-19 bailout funds through the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), claiming the information is “confidential.”
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Read your postSo how is that pork? Wait never mind...you are the clown that thought the Judicial branch was ran by the Executive and Legislative branches...how can we expect you to know what "pork" is in political terms.
Carry on....
Both the SBA and Treasury Department faced bipartisan pressure to release information on PPP loans. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin initially told lawmakers in June that no borrower information would be revealed, contrasting with standard SBA practices for traditional lending programs, before later changing course and saying some data would be released to the public and certain congressional committees would be granted access to all recipient names and loan sizes.While some PPP beneficiaries have raised eyebrows, most remain secret
Only a small percentage of borrower data is available to the public.
Mnuchin said in a press release that the data unveiled by the SBA this week "strikes the appropriate balance of providing the American people with transparency, while protecting sensitive payroll and personal income information of small businesses, sole proprietors, and independent contractors."
yeah....your point? this is standard practice for SBA loans....they made some exceptions for PPP loans.Read your post
“Some data would be released “
That’s the opposite of what you quoted.yeah....your point? this is standard practice for SBA loans....they made some exceptions for PPP loans.
What part of standard practice don't you all get?
Democrats don't want to cut after the current debts are paid. In fact, they have already proposed a 2024 budget with zero cuts, which is why they refuse to talk about 2024 spending cuts. That's why we are where we are at, Democrats don't want to cut spending at all. If they did then we could just do it now.You just said
After the current debts are paid
huh? no it was standard practice not to make them public...it was unstandard to release the information, which he did, in some cases, to be more transparent.That’s the opposite of what you quoted.
The secrecy was NOT standard practice
What a fucking retard.So how is that pork? Wait never mind...you are the clown that thought the Judicial branch was ran by the Executive and Legislative branches...how can we expect you to know what "pork" is in political terms.
Carry on....
MNUCHIN SAID?Both the SBA and Treasury Department faced bipartisan pressure to release information on PPP loans. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin initially told lawmakers in June that no borrower information would be revealed, contrasting with standard SBA practices for traditional lending programs, before later changing course and saying some data would be released to the public and certain congressional committees would be granted access to all recipient names and loan sizes.While some PPP beneficiaries have raised eyebrows, most remain secret
Only a small percentage of borrower data is available to the public.
Mnuchin said in a press release that the data unveiled by the SBA this week "strikes the appropriate balance of providing the American people with transparency, while protecting sensitive payroll and personal income information of small businesses, sole proprietors, and independent contractors."
Like I stated before, if Trump's/Mnunichin's money grab, wasn't pork, they would be bragging about it.
Why didn't they disclose, who got what?
Why couldn't they disclose the recipients?
Why couldn't the Trump regime be transparent and PROVE $500,000,000,000 wasn't pork?
Just..................."Trust us"?
Why NOT?For one nobody ever accused Trump of providing funds to his select companies. Companies applied and got the loan. Secondly that's pretty much something that doesn't need to be public for business purposes.
Oh' darn, ONE BIG difference.A friend of mine worked for a small company that got the loan, and his employer (from what he told me) is far from conservative.
Again, like a typical leftist, you made it all up to try and make a phony comparison to the hundreds of billions wasted by Democrats with their obvious pork and vote buying. No comparison whatsoever.
