The TRUTH Behind Homosexuality and Mental Illness

[dilloduck]

So ..... someday we'll be enlightened enough to emulate the ancient Greeks and remove pedophilia from our list of mental illnesses, too. After all, it suffers from the same factors you cite, social pressure and historical bias

and make all addictions a criminal offense----oh wait--China already tried to
solve the adiction problem that way---they killed em all.

 

[007]

awww just when I was gonna come up witth some good ones about brain dead motorcycle riders.

Well it's morning and I'm back, so go for it. And while you're at it, I'll think of some for toothless, inbred, southern, backwoods freaks.

 

[dilloduck]

Well it's morning and I'm back, so go for it. And while you're at it, I'll think of some for toothless, inbred, southern, backwoods freaks.

You bet----denegrating people is such a lovely thing--anytime--day or night!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Anyhoo!


Yeah. it's due to hormones and stuff! :funnyface

 

[rtwngAvngr]

However, I fully believe there is a concerted effort to undermine the family as families compete with the government as a transfer mechanism of ideology. Libs hate that.

 

[nakedemperor]

Nomenclature doesn't. Gay still means happy. Queers hijacked the word in some attempt to make their sick perversions sound... *fun* and *happy*, when nothing could be further from the truth.

no·men·cla·ture P Pronunciation Key (nmn-klchr, n-mnkl-)
n.
1.A system of names used in an art or science: the nomenclature of mineralogy.
2.The procedure of assigning names to the kinds and groups of organisms listed in a taxonomic classification: the rules of nomenclature in botany.




If you're going to use big words, be sure of what they mean-- the changing use (and hence, diversified definition) of the word "gay" has nothing to do with "nomenclature"; regardless of who "hijcaked" what, there are tens of millions of straight people that use the word "gay" to mean homosexual. Stop whining about the nature of etymology.

 

[nakedemperor]

So ..... someday we'll be enlightened enough to emulate the ancient Greeks and remove pedophilia from our list of mental illnesses, too. After all, it suffers from the same factors you cite, social pressure and historical bias

Pedophilia harms children, and since pedophilia is a) abnormal and (more importantly) b) harmful, it is considered a mental illness. There are legitimate social pressures and historical bias against pedophilia, whereas homosexuality has has a historical stigma attached due to organized religions and the common perception of humanity that "abnormal" is also "wrong" or "bad".

 

[007]

no·men·cla·ture P Pronunciation Key (nmn-klchr, n-mnkl-)
n.
1.A system of names used in an art or science: the nomenclature of mineralogy.
2.The procedure of assigning names to the kinds and groups of organisms listed in a taxonomic classification: the rules of nomenclature in botany.




If you're going to use big words, be sure of what they mean-- the changing use (and hence, diversified definition) of the word "gay" has nothing to do with "nomenclature"; regardless of who "hijcaked" what, there are tens of millions of straight people that use the word "gay" to mean homosexual. Stop whining about the nature of etymology.

I was sure skippy...

Main Entry: no·men·cla·ture
Pronunciation: 'nO-m&n-"klA-ch&r also nO-'men-kl&-"chur, -'me[ng]-, -ch&r, -"tyur, -"tur
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin nomenclatura assigning of names, from nomen + calatus, past participle of calare
1 : NAME, DESIGNATION
2 : the act or process or an instance of naming
3 a : a system or set of terms or symbols especially in a particular science, discipline, or art b : an international system of standardized New Latin names used in biology for kinds and groups of kinds of animals and plants
- no·men·cla·tur·al /"nO-m&n-'klAch-r&l, -'klA-ch&-/ adjective

The condition of being "happy" or "joyfull" was "named" *gay*. Nomenclature. If your education hasn't risen to that level yet, keep at it. Maybe someday you'll be as smart as I am. Until then, don't bother trying to tell me anything. Your information is stale and subdeveloped compared to me.

The only people that say *gay* are the ones who have caved in to the militant fags attacks on them as they cry homophobic, their favorite attack name, and queers who are trying to soften their image by assigning their filthy, perverted behavior some warm and fuzzy name.

Now go tell your mama she wants you, and get your hands off that other boys penis.

 

[KarlMarx]

Pedophilia harms children, and since pedophilia is a) abnormal and (more importantly) b) harmful, it is considered a mental illness. There are legitimate social pressures and historical bias against pedophilia, whereas homosexuality has has a historical stigma attached due to organized religions and the common perception of humanity that "abnormal" is also "wrong" or "bad".

But homosexuality does not hurt the people who practice it. Tell me, did homophobia cause the hepatitis, rectal gonnohea and HIV of homosexuals? No, the homosexual acts which provide a easy way for such diseases to be transmitted are what causes those illnesses. In addition, homosexuals are more likely to commit suicide, abuse drugs, and suffer from mental illnesses than the general population even in social environments that are supportive and tolerant of homosexuality. Homosexuality, then, is an illness, because it hurts the people that practice it.

By the way, the Greeks had institutionalized pedophilia, as did the Romans. The organized religions that you are referring to are Judaism and Christianity, isn't it? But it was also those two religions that banned the institutionalized pedophilia of the Greeks and Romans at the same time!

 

[nakedemperor]

But homosexuality does not hurt the people who practice it. Tell me, did homophobia cause the hepatitis, rectal gonnohea and HIV of homosexuals? No, the homosexual acts which provide a easy way for such diseases to be transmitted are what causes those illnesses.

No, unprotected anal sex is more likely to *transmit* STDs, not *cause* them. Ergo, unprotected sex hurts the practicioner, not homosexuality (the sexual and romantic desire of a person of the same sex). This is the case in any sort of sexual activity, and is a *health* problem, not a *homosexual* problem.

In addition, homosexuals are more likely to commit suicide, abuse drugs, and suffer from mental illnesses than the general population even in social environments that are supportive and tolerant of homosexuality. Homosexuality, then, is an illness, because it hurts the people that practice it.

I'd like to see a case study of homosexuals being more likely to commit suicide in "environments supportive or tolerant of homosexuality". That said, I disagree that any such "environment", that is, an environment in which no homonegative ideas are expressed, exists in this country. Homosexuals are more likely to commit suicide and abuse drugs expressly because of general intolerance. Same re: mental illnesses. These manifestations are symptomatic of intolerance, not of homosexuality.

 

[nakedemperor]

I was sure skippy...

Main Entry: no·men·cla·ture
Pronunciation: 'nO-m&n-"klA-ch&r also nO-'men-kl&-"chur, -'me[ng]-, -ch&r, -"tyur, -"tur
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin nomenclatura assigning of names, from nomen + calatus, past participle of calare
1 : NAME, DESIGNATION
2 : the act or process or an instance of naming
3 a : a system or set of terms or symbols especially in a particular science, discipline, or art b : an international system of standardized New Latin names used in biology for kinds and groups of kinds of animals and plants
- no·men·cla·tur·al /"nO-m&n-'klAch-r&l, -'klA-ch&-/ adjective

The condition of being "happy" or "joyfull" was "named" *gay*. Nomenclature. If your education hasn't risen to that level yet, keep at it. Maybe someday you'll be as smart as I am. Until then, don't bother trying to tell me anything. Your information is stale and subdeveloped compared to me.

The only people that say *gay* are the ones who have caved in to the militant fags attacks on them as they cry homophobic, their favorite attack name, and queers who are trying to soften their image by assigning their filthy, perverted behavior some warm and fuzzy name.

Now go tell your mama she wants you, and get your hands off that other boys penis.

If you read the OP of this discussion...

"Nomenclature doesn't [shift]. Gay still means happy. Queers hijacked the word in some attempt to make their sick perversions sound... *fun* and *happy*, when nothing could be further from the truth."

...you'll see that your *use* of the world is what's wrong. To extend your sentence to its logical conclusion:

"The nomenclature of the word "gay" doesn't shift."

The word you were searching for was "definition", or "meaning". The "nomenclature" of the word "gay", to apply the logic you used, is "gay". The "definition" of "gay", as you so aptly put, is "happy". As it is, the sentence "the nomenclature of the word gay doesn't shift" is grammatically incorrect.

But man, I look forward to being as smart as you some day (I find it sort of amusing that in ridiculing my intelligence you said my information was 'subdeveloped', which is not in fact a word.. maybe you were flailing for the word 'underdeveloped'?).

And to the moderators, I've seen (and been) banned for much less than using the word "fag" in discussion. Free speech is essential, but I was under the impression that ad hominem attacks and nasty name-calling were against the rules, so to speak. Why does this fellow have such a long leash?

 

[musicman]

I find it sort of amusing that in ridiculing my intelligence you said my information was 'subdeveloped', which is not in fact a word..

This, from the man who brought us "homonegative".

You're such a cunninglinguist, NE!

 

[KarlMarx]

Well, one thing's for sure, if hatred caused all of the mental and physical problems that homosexuals experience then the Jews should have died off from AIDS, Hepatitis, suicide and drug abuse centuries ago.

 

[dilloduck]

Well, one thing's for sure, if hatred caused all of the mental and physical problems that homosexuals experience then the Jews should have died off from AIDS, Hepatitis, suicide and drug abuse centuries ago.

Can't agree with ya on this one---the jews have been told by God to accept hatred as thier lot in life (punishment if you will). If they weren't "oppressed" they would think they are doing something wrong. It's part who they are. Hatred has a different effect on different people.

 

[Bullypulpit]

The American Psychiatric Association Coup

Homosexuals commonly point to the fact that the 'medical community' and, more specifically, psychiatrists agree with them that homosexuality is a "normal human sexual response."

It is certainly true that the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from its list of "mental disorders" twenty years ago, in 1973. This is a fact that almost always comes up in debates with sodomites.

What the homosexuals do not mention, of course, is that this sudden change in attitude was not based on any new scientific evidence. As described in the following paragraphs, it was a purely political move, induced by a relentless saturation campaign of deception, intimidation, and unethical collusion between the APA committee and activist sodomite groups.

Preparing the Ground:

In 1968, representatives of activist homosexual groups approached leading psychiatrists and the officers of psychiatric organizations and began to lay the groundwork for the reclassification of their perversions as normal manifestations of human sexuality.

These activists correctly recognized that such a move was absolutely mandatory if they were to win public acceptance. After all, society in general would not look very kindly upon the subsequent lobbying done by a group whose members were officially recognized as "mentally disordered."

In the three years during which the APA's Homosexuality Task Force was deliberating, it collaborated actively with several sodomite groups, including the Gay Activist's Alliance, the Mattachine Society, and the Daughters of Bilitis, while completely ignoring organizations with views that contrasted with the homosexuals.

Abram Kardiner, former Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, revealed that "A powerful lobby of "gay" organizations has brought pressure on the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the category of aberrancy. This is only one facet of the tidal wave of egalitarianism and divisiveness that is sweeping the country...."

During this unethical collusion, Kinsey colleague Paul Gebhard said that anyone who was known to harbor the view that homosexuality was a disorder was systematically excluded from being a member of the Task Force or from even being able to present his views or evidence to it.

In other words, the sodomites packed this committee in the same manner that pro-abortionist and fetal tissue harvesters do: Only those people with the "correct" viewpoint were allowed to voice an opinion.

But the homosexuals did not focus on the APA alone; they intimidated psychiatrists all over the nation. While the APA Task Force ws preparing its report, any psychiatrist or psychoanalyst who dared present documentation that homosexuality was a psychological disorder (anywhere in the country) was shouted down and even physically attacked at public forums or at local and national meetings of mental health professionals.

The APA Caves In:

The years of hard work put in by the sodomites began to pay off in 1972. The "National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) Task Force on Homosexuality Final Report" parroted Alfred Kinsey's proclamation that "exclusive heterosexuality" and exclusive homosexuality" were "sexual extremes," and that most people were basically bisexual.

This report in turn exerted a great deal of influence on the APA. In order to make its final report appear to be scientific, the APA's Homosexuality Task Force sent a letter to all APA member psychiatritst. This letter did not ask whether or not homosexuality should or should not be declared "normal." It was signed by all candidates for the upcoming elections for the APA presidency and urged all members to "vote" that homosexuality was thereafter declared to be on a level with normal sexuality.

This view was so voted by a very slim margin. The letter did not, of course, reveal the fact that it was written and funded by the National Gay Task Force. One of the letter's signers, in fact, later confessed that he knew that such knowledge would have been the "kiss of death" for a pro homosexual vote.

Subsequently, the APA eliminated homosexuality as a mental disorder from the 1973 edition of its "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual."

APA member Dr. Henry W. Reicken cut to the heart of the APA's motivation as he wrote a scathing dissent in the appendix to the above mentioned NIMH report entitled "Detailed Reservations Regarding the Task Force Recommendations on Social Policy:" "It is as if they 'the Task Force' said, "Here is a phenomenon about which we know almost nothing and about which there is a great deal of anxiety and concern; therefore, let us suggest a major revision in public policy for dealing with this phenomenon." I cannot escape the belief that this is an utterly unreasonable conclusion to draw from the sea of ignorance and misinformation in which we find ourselves."

The Essential Point:

The essential point to be made about this chicanery is that the sudden complete reversal in the APA position on homosexuality was not brought about as a result of a careful regime of scholarly research and study; it was a blatantly political move, a 'vote', of all things, on the status of a mental illness. Furthermore, this vote was undertaken in a climate of deception and intimidation.

At no time before or since has the APA or any other psychological or psychiatric professional group 'ever' addressed a mental health question in this manner.

Behind the Scenes:

It is fascinating indeed to see what psychiatrists 'really' think about homosexuality when they are free of the restraints of intimidation and political pressure.

Almost simultaneously with the 1972 National Institute of Mental Health report, the New York County District Branch of the APA's Task Force on Homosexuality produced a second report. According to APA member Charles Socarides, M.D., the document concluded that "....exclusive homosexuality was a disorder of psychosexual development, and simultaneously asked for civil rights for those suffering from the disorder."

It is even more revealing to examine the results of polls of psychiatrists taken since 1973 regarding the issue of homosexual orientation.

The original "voting" letter distributed by the APA Homosexuality Task Force in 1973 was answered by only about one-quarter of the recipients, leading one to speculate that the "volunteer bias" ignored by Kinsey in his original studies led to pro-homosexual results. It is quite certain that, if 'all' of the APA members had returned their "ballots," homosexuality would have remained a mental disorder in the view of the organization.

A later series of private surveys which could be answered confidentially and without fear of retaliation showed that two-thirds of APA members psychiatrists regarded homosexuality as abnormal despite the parent organization's switch

More specifically, in 1977, four years after the APA 'switch,' the journal "Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality" revealed that it had polled 2,500 psychiatrists on their view of what "current thinking on homosexuality" was, and, by a lopsided margin of 69% to 18% (nearly four to one, with 13%undecided). the respondents answered that "Homosexuality was usually a pathological adaptation as opposed to a normal variation."

This is certainly a more accurate poll than the original APA letter because the letter was subject to all of the "volunteer bias" that self selected populations exhibit. However, by comparison, the 1977 survey was truly random, and so its results should certainly be given more weight.




http://www.inoohr.org/americanpsychiatricassociation.htm

New studies have show there to be differences in the neurological structures and responses between gay and stragiht men. These differences could only be the result of congenital factors...nothing to do with choice. Also, no demonstrable harm has been shown to result from same-gender relationships, either to the parties involved or to society at large. In the abscence of demonstrable harm any and all arguments for the prohibition of smae-gender relationships...marriages...civil-unions...etc, are simply without merit

As far as your link, It's just another right wing-nut website. But my question to you is, when are you going to join other gay-bashing republican closet-queens like, Spokane, Washington Mayor - James West...Or anti-abortion fanatic Neil Horsley...Or Jeff/James Gannon/Guckert, right wing pundit , ace reporter(former) for Talon News, and gay prostitute? Oh and gosh, there was Ed Schrock (R-VA) and right-wing reactionary who ended his campaign after he was found to be trolling gay chat rooms for sex. There's more, but I'm pressed for time and I'm sure you get the point...Just get over it or come out of the closet. Either will work.

 

[007]

And to the moderators, I've seen (and been) banned for much less than using the word "fag" in discussion. Free speech is essential, but I was under the impression that ad hominem attacks and nasty name-calling were against the rules, so to speak. Why does this fellow have such a long leash?

Because I was using the "fag", which is another term for faggot, which is another term for queer, in the "third sense". I wasn't calling anyone here that directly. But it the shoe fits...

That and the fact that the "owner" of this board is just as disgusted by queers as I am. He's reasonable, and we both agree homosexuality is a perverse, disgusting and vile condition that weak men engage in.

 

[007]

New studies have show there to be differences in the neurological structures and responses between gay and stragiht men. These differences could only be the result of congenital factors...nothing to do with choice.

New studies? Where's the "link" to these new studies pullit?

Also, no demonstrable harm has been shown to result from same-gender relationships, either to the parties involved or to society at large. In the abscence of demonstrable harm any and all arguments for the prohibition of smae-gender relationships...marriages...civil-unions...etc, are simply without merit.

Wrong shit for brains. There's VOLUMES of proof, much of which has been posted here on this board. You just like to pretend you've never read any of it.

As far as your link, It's just another right wing-nut website. But my question to you is, when are you going to join other gay-bashing republican closet-queens like, Spokane, Washington Mayor - James West...Or anti-abortion fanatic Neil Horsley...Or Jeff/James Gannon/Guckert, right wing pundit , ace reporter(former) for Talon News, and gay prostitute? Oh and gosh, there was Ed Schrock (R-VA) and right-wing reactionary who ended his campaign after he was found to be trolling gay chat rooms for sex. There's more, but I'm pressed for time and I'm sure you get the point...Just get over it or come out of the closet. Either will work.

I don't think anyone on this board has accused other people of being queer more than *YOU* pullit. That very much makes me tend to believe *YOU* are the one that has the latent queer tendencies. See how you're stupidity can turn on you asswipe?

 

[KarlMarx]

New studies have show there to be differences in the neurological structures and responses between gay and stragiht men. These differences could only be the result of congenital factors...nothing to do with choice. Also, no demonstrable harm has been shown to result from same-gender relationships, either to the parties involved or to society at large. In the abscence of demonstrable harm any and all arguments for the prohibition of smae-gender relationships...marriages...civil-unions...etc, are simply without merit

As far as your link, It's just another right wing-nut website. But my question to you is, when are you going to join other gay-bashing republican closet-queens like, Spokane, Washington Mayor - James West...Or anti-abortion fanatic Neil Horsley...Or Jeff/James Gannon/Guckert, right wing pundit , ace reporter(former) for Talon News, and gay prostitute? Oh and gosh, there was Ed Schrock (R-VA) and right-wing reactionary who ended his campaign after he was found to be trolling gay chat rooms for sex. There's more, but I'm pressed for time and I'm sure you get the point...Just get over it or come out of the closet. Either will work.

Yes, and while we're going off on tangents, remember that the founder of Planned Parenthood ... what's her name ..... Sanger.... was a racist and founded Planned Parenthood to help control the population of blacks, Jews and other "undesireable people" that might crowd out white folks.

And let's not forget that Ernest Roehm, the founder of Hitler's SS (which was part of the "final solution on the Jewish question") was a homosexual as were many of the first Nazis

 

[dmp]

New studies have show there to be differences in the neurological structures and responses between gay and stragiht men. These differences could only be the result of congenital factors...nothing to do with choice. Also, no demonstrable harm has been shown to result from same-gender relationships, either to the parties involved or to society at large. In the abscence of demonstrable harm any and all arguments for the prohibition of smae-gender relationships...marriages...civil-unions...etc, are simply without merit

As far as your link, It's just another right wing-nut website. But my question to you is, when are you going to join other gay-bashing republican closet-queens like, Spokane, Washington Mayor - James West...Or anti-abortion fanatic Neil Horsley...Or Jeff/James Gannon/Guckert, right wing pundit , ace reporter(former) for Talon News, and gay prostitute? Oh and gosh, there was Ed Schrock (R-VA) and right-wing reactionary who ended his campaign after he was found to be trolling gay chat rooms for sex. There's more, but I'm pressed for time and I'm sure you get the point...Just get over it or come out of the closet. Either will work.

puff-puff-give, Bully...

 

[musicman]

New studies have show there to be differences in the neurological structures and responses between gay and stragiht men.

Dealt with and disposed of many, many times on this board.

These differences could only be the result of congenital factors...nothing to do with choice.

The "homosexuality is determined genetically" crowd cite differences in the size of the hypothalumus glands in homosexuals. However, since the specimens examined were - necessarily - taken from autopsied adult homosexuals, there is no proof that the behavior itself doesn't cause neurological changes (maybe their brains really ARE in their asses). As to the predictable response that nor does this prove the reverse - remember, it is homosexuals who are attempting to advance this assertion. It is not society's obligation to prove a negative.

Also, no demonstrable harm has been shown to result from same-gender relationships, either to the parties involved or to society at large. In the abscence of demonstrable harm any and all arguments for the prohibition of smae-gender relationships...marriages...civil-unions...etc, are simply without merit

The self-absorbed, sociopathic behavior of the homosexual community - in refusing the sensible proposal that the 4000 or so early cases of AIDS be quarantined - guaranteed the spread of a killer. The potentially damaging public perception of homosexuals was more important, you see, than the public's safety. Thanks a lot, guys!

Although homosexuals comprise only 1-3% of the population, they commit 20-40% of child molestations. That statistic won't go away, Bully - no matter how many nasty names you call the researchers; no matter how you try to mangle definition. This is a dangerous, destructive lifestyle.