The Trump Conundrum

[owebo]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

A long post without one word about what either candidate will do about the important issues the US faces. Why bother to vote at all if you have no interest in what the candidates will do about the important issues?

you know, i disagree with him on almost everything. but i have to respect that he at least seems to care from a moral level about the person who leads the country.

he isn't analyzing trump's policy because trump has no policies.

that said. i still disagree with the o/p but respect his concerns.

Actually, Trump does have clear policies....and they scare the hell out of you fascist democrats.....

not really doesn't scare the crap out of me ... what it does do in case you're interestted it scares the crap out of the independent voter whose trying t see who they want to vote for ... it seems be be more on the hillary side then it does of the side for Trump ...

Trump is carrying independents....

 

[billyerock1991]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

That you are against Clinton is a hell of a reason to vote for Ms. Clinton.

Interesting that you didn't say Mrs. Clinton. The fact a libtard like you supports her is evidence she is wrong for America.

and we are going to take a repub-lie-tard like you serious really ???

 

[Boss]

i don't believe he can stop attacking people ... from what we have been seeing here is his inability to keep his yap shut... as we all know he's too thin skinned.

I agree... and you're a flaming liberal in the tank for Hillary... but you're absolutely right. He specifically needs to stop attacking the WRONG people! He needs to focus on one thing and one thing only... Hillary Clinton. He can run his yap all he wants to about her... there is plenty to run his yap about.

His thin skin has been exposed as his weakness now. Everybody knows this. So it should not be a surprise that the Democrats and their Proletariat Guard, The Media... are going to exploit that every chance they can from now until November. They're going to pick at his wife, his tax returns, his business dealings, his personality, his marriages, anything they can. They are going to prod and poke people into criticizing him in order to evoke a response.... and EVERY little thing he says in response is going to be blown up into a national story and paraded around for a week or two... however long they can. They are going to intentionally set him up... trap him into saying stupid shit... over and over and over again.

If he does not learn to control himself and remain focused on his message, he will lose this election and it won't be pretty. This should be a cakewalk... an empty orange juice can should be able to defeat Hillary Clinton. IF Trump loses... I don't want to hear ONE asswipe who has supported him making a single solitary excuse for that... there is no excuse for losing THIS election.

 

[billyerock1991]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

A long post without one word about what either candidate will do about the important issues the US faces. Why bother to vote at all if you have no interest in what the candidates will do about the important issues?

you know, i disagree with him on almost everything. but i have to respect that he at least seems to care from a moral level about the person who leads the country.

he isn't analyzing trump's policy because trump has no policies.

that said. i still disagree with the o/p but respect his concerns.

Actually, Trump does have clear policies....and they scare the hell out of you fascist democrats.....

not really doesn't scare the crap out of me ... what it does do in case you're interestted it scares the crap out of the independent voter whose trying t see who they want to vote for ... it seems be be more on the hillary side then it does of the side for Trump ...

Trump is carrying independents....

well you keep believing that while Hillary keeps going up in the polls day by day cause thats all ya got ...Fantasy !!!

 

[Freewill]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

Regardless of everything Trump/Clinton is the hand dealt to us. If I thought for one second a third party vote would mean anything other than a Clinton win that is where I would go. But electing crooked Hillary is too unacceptable.

Almost all of your critique of Trump is over trivial BS. So what if he doesn't like someone's looks? If he were the perfect PC candidate he would not say a word but he would still think it. Crooked Hillary says stuff about important stuff which is far from the truth, problem is I think she believes it to be true. Take her comment that the FBI found her to be truthful. That is such a departure from the truth it should end her campaign but the MSM would rather focus on Trump commenting on the Khan family vilifying him at the DNC convention and making that mole hill into a mountain.

So we all decry political correctness, now you have a candidate that is totally not PC and he is vilified for that. That is why our politician seldom tell us the truth.

So we all decry the establishment, of both parties, now we have a canidate that is hated by both party's establishment.

So we all decry corporations buying influence, ain't happening with Trump but it is with Hillary.

I certainly hope people don't believe that if they want a non PC president that that president isn't at time going to say things that are not Politically correct. Much better that then having a president that lies even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

So go ahead and buy what the MSM is feeding us. Buy what the establishment wants us to believe. Let corporate interests once again win out. But think to yourself, who do the globalists want in the WH.

well freewill, looks like a lot of republicans are either going to vote for hillary or a third party or not at all ... so you are correct in thinking Hillary will win

I am an independent, I will never vote for crooked Hillary.

In the end that is what most Republicans will think, in my opinion. Trumps negative are far exceeded by crooked Hillary's. You folks said he couldn't and would not be the party nominee and you were dead wrong. So sell him short now, get it out of your system.

 

[billyerock1991]

i don't believe he can stop attacking people ... from what we have been seeing here is his inability to keep his yap shut... as we all know he's too thin skinned.

I agree... and you're a flaming liberal in the tank for Hillary... but you're absolutely right. He specifically needs to stop attacking the WRONG people! He needs to focus on one thing and one thing only... Hillary Clinton. He can run his yap all he wants to about her... there is plenty to run his yap about.

His thin skin has been exposed as his weakness now. Everybody knows this. So it should not be a surprise that the Democrats and their Proletariat Guard, The Media... are going to exploit that every chance they can from now until November. They're going to pick at his wife, his tax returns, his business dealings, his personality, his marriages, anything they can. They are going to prod and poke people into criticizing him in order to evoke a response.... and EVERY little thing he says in response is going to be blown up into a national story and paraded around for a week or two... however long they can. They are going to intentionally set him up... trap him into saying stupid shit... over and over and over again.

If he does not learn to control himself and remain focused on his message, he will lose this election and it won't be pretty. This should be a cakewalk... an empty orange juice can should be able to defeat Hillary Clinton. IF Trump loses... I don't want to hear ONE asswipe who has supported him making a single solitary excuse for that... there is no excuse for losing THIS election.

no I'm not a flaming liberal I am a far left flaming lefty liberal and don't you forget it... its just your attempt to take us liberals lightly with you innuendoes and personal attacks I love to do right back at you repub-lie-tardy their so easy

 

[billyerock1991]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

Regardless of everything Trump/Clinton is the hand dealt to us. If I thought for one second a third party vote would mean anything other than a Clinton win that is where I would go. But electing crooked Hillary is too unacceptable.

Almost all of your critique of Trump is over trivial BS. So what if he doesn't like someone's looks? If he were the perfect PC candidate he would not say a word but he would still think it. Crooked Hillary says stuff about important stuff which is far from the truth, problem is I think she believes it to be true. Take her comment that the FBI found her to be truthful. That is such a departure from the truth it should end her campaign but the MSM would rather focus on Trump commenting on the Khan family vilifying him at the DNC convention and making that mole hill into a mountain.

So we all decry political correctness, now you have a candidate that is totally not PC and he is vilified for that. That is why our politician seldom tell us the truth.

So we all decry the establishment, of both parties, now we have a canidate that is hated by both party's establishment.

So we all decry corporations buying influence, ain't happening with Trump but it is with Hillary.

I certainly hope people don't believe that if they want a non PC president that that president isn't at time going to say things that are not Politically correct. Much better that then having a president that lies even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

So go ahead and buy what the MSM is feeding us. Buy what the establishment wants us to believe. Let corporate interests once again win out. But think to yourself, who do the globalists want in the WH.

well freewill, looks like a lot of republicans are either going to vote for hillary or a third party or not at all ... so you are correct in thinking Hillary will win

I am an independent, I will never vote for crooked Hillary.

In the end that is what most Republicans will think, in my opinion. Trumps negative are far exceeded by crooked Hillary's. You folks said he couldn't and would not be the party nominee and you were dead wrong. So sell him short now, get it out of your system.

no freewill you are a ashamed republican ...who hides under the disguise of being a independent ... we no and ashamed republican when we see one ...

 

[Boss]

Well... YES, he DID. His knee-jerk reaction to any criticism is to attack. Not only did he attack the man, his sycophants have spent the last several days attacking the man in various editorials and on social media with stories about what he does for a living, his background, etc. Trump didn't have to defend himself... that was pointless. Did he accomplish anything? Did he win over any new voters? NO! If anything, he alienated some more. He HAS to stop this if he expects to win.

And as for Cruz, my OP plainly says... he only stopped attacking Cruz to launch into an attack of the Muslim Gold Star father. I mean, what's going to get him to move on from that? Does he need a female Hispanic police officer to attack next? Maybe a pro-life black woman?

When is going to stop sucking the asses of Bernie supporters and go after Hillary Clinton? I kind of think that might be crucial for him to win.

Look... goofball... I don't know if you just fell of a turnip truck but let me explain to you how politics work for the GOP nominee for president... Rule No. 1: The media is not your friend! All of this air time they gave Trump to explain himself during the primaries in order to wipe out the field... that's over... that's not going to happen anymore. The media is in the tank for Hillary... they are not going to let this kind of thing go and they will relentlessly attack Trump and keep him on the defensive... he HAS to learn to move on. He HAS to change his strategy now. He cannot afford to get bogged down in one controversy after another and constantly be on the defensive. If THAT is going to be his strategy, he will lose. Guaranteed.

Trump will not lose. He will win HUGE - no matter how much you will him to lose.

Well... okay, you guys go right ahead and slap each other on the back and arrogantly proclaim victory... you're going to get your asses stomped if this shit doesn't change... I promise you that! It's not even going to be close. When that happens, all of your bullshit excuses about how Trump was railroaded... the system is rigged... everybody was against him... the whiny babies didn't support him.... NONE of that is going to be any consolation to us when we wake up the day after the election to President-elect Hillary Clinton!

seems you're a bit one sided ... lets look at what democrats presidents have done for the country ... Bill Clinton past a tax increase ... we were told by the republican party that will put us deeper into debt ... that will cause the market to crash ... that didn't happen we ended up with a surplus under democratic rule ... here we have Obama he passed and signed for loan to the banking community and the car companies ... we were told by the right left them fail ... this loan will break the country ... as we all with a brain know that too didn't happen ... Obama got a bill passed to help the people in his first year in office the republicans refuse to give us what we need because they know that would have pulled us out of a spiraling economy we were having ...so we were forced by the republicans too do it slowly .... either way we Dems once again pulled us out a big fucking mess that you republicans caused ... now you want to elect a maniac like trump into the white house ... whose plane will cause 31 trillion dollars of debt and Hillarys won't ... you really want us to believe you that trump is the better deal cause of your hatred of Hillary???

Look goofball.. Hillary Clinton will be an unmitigated DISASTER for America. Her presidency will be WORSE than Obama's and that was pretty bad. She has NOTHING to offer in terms of policy or competence that I want leading this country. NOTHING.

She is arguably the worst, most corrupt and crooked person to ever seek the office of president. She is equally as unqualified as Obama. It's stunning and jaw-dropping that her corrupt ass is even running. She should be in prison for what she has gotten away with. She may very well end up there before it's all said and done because there is still a lot of stuff yet to come out on her.

Of ALL the things in this world, the LAST thing that I want to happen is for her to win this election.... but that means Trump has to win. Now..... I can sit here with the pom-pom wavers and smear and jeer everyone who dares to raise questions about his strategy or what he's saying.... but I don't think that is helpful in winning the general election. I think that's a guaranteed loss. As much as I differ with him on policy and some of the asinine shit he's throwing out there... I still want him to defeat Hillary Clinton.

So I can sit back and wave the pom-poms and wait for the day after he loses to Hillary and come here whining about how the system was rigged and everybody ganged up on him and people didn't back him... and deal with 4-8 years of President Hildabeast... OR... I can voice my opinion on how he can turn this thing around and WIN the damn election. I'm making an effort to penetrate the hard-heads who are supporting Trump... you best be getting this guy back on track and stop attacking the wrong target. If you can't bring yourselves to do that, the game is over... Hillary WILL win.

we get it dumb fuck you hate hillary ... seem you can accept all of trumps lies and crooked deals thats perfectly fine with you ...and yet you accept trumps failings to be OK in your book ...you talk about hillarys lies and her being crooked has she stiffed thousand of people out of her life savings like trump has but thats perfectly fine for you ...she said she did post classified emails to her server ... as we later learned the emails that the FBI stated turned out not to be classified but you lap the republican banter like a good little lap dog you are ...

then they shouted hillary slept during the benghazi attacks ... that too was a lie from the right hillary spent the whole evening and the next day trying to get some one to help them ... you and your Ilk on the right said she lied that too turned out to be inaccurate ... then she deleted her private emails... you all tried to make something out of that ... she had her lawyer look into the 30,000 emails that she wants to deleted ... so she had some one there who saw them before she deleted them, you see personal emails are't government property and you guys bit into that right wing propaganda bull shit...

the sad part here you goof ball you don't want to really look into who did what and when ...your hatred towards the clintons shows here ... that it clouds your inability to look at anything unbiased ... did you read the PDF files on benghazi its all there ... here under the republican watch we sat and watched 60 people die in their embassy... not one of you on the right were outraged like you are here ... hillary has 4 people in a embassy die and its the crime of the century cause it was on Hillarys watch ... then you republicans need to exaggerate it intro something it wasn't ... where you republicans were all over it like flies on shit like it was the worst thing in the world ... hey embassy get attacked thats not going to change ...

Benghazi was a gun running operation that made Iran-Contra look like a fucking Sunday School picnic. They were running guns out of Libya into Syria and the Islamic radicals turned our own guns on us. That's what she is trying to hide, that's what the deleted emails were about, that's the reason for the lies about the video, that's the purpose of the elaborate cover-up.

 

[billyerock1991]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...

You would rather have a person who blamed telling the Bosnia lie for over a year on sleep deprivation? Man that kind of thinking is really scary.

I may be wrong but I don't believe one man can pick up the phone and launch a nuclear war. Even on the submarines that launch the missiles one man does not have the ability to launch missiles. I don't want any ONE person having such power.

she was wrong about bosnia ..we get it ...but it did happen the fact that she said bosnia you lap on to that like the lap dog you are she never lied she misspoke about bosnia

 

[Iceweasel]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

That you are against Clinton is a hell of a reason to vote for Ms. Clinton.

Interesting that you didn't say Mrs. Clinton. The fact a libtard like you supports her is evidence she is wrong for America.

and we are going to take a repub-lie-tard like you serious really ???

Can't say I care too much what some stupid asshole on the net thinks.

 

[Iceweasel]

A long post without one word about what either candidate will do about the important issues the US faces. Why bother to vote at all if you have no interest in what the candidates will do about the important issues?

you know, i disagree with him on almost everything. but i have to respect that he at least seems to care from a moral level about the person who leads the country.

he isn't analyzing trump's policy because trump has no policies.

that said. i still disagree with the o/p but respect his concerns.

Actually, Trump does have clear policies....and they scare the hell out of you fascist democrats.....

not really doesn't scare the crap out of me ... what it does do in case you're interestted it scares the crap out of the independent voter whose trying t see who they want to vote for ... it seems be be more on the hillary side then it does of the side for Trump ...

Trump is carrying independents....

well you keep believing that while Hillary keeps going up in the polls day by day cause thats all ya got ...Fantasy !!!

Trump closed in and without Hillary getting negative ads or bad press and she got a bump after their convention. Which was what, ages ago to you?

 

[Granny]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...

You would rather have a person who blamed telling the Bosnia lie for over a year on sleep deprivation? Man that kind of thinking is really scary.

I may be wrong but I don't believe one man can pick up the phone and launch a nuclear war. Even on the submarines that launch the missiles one man does not have the ability to launch missiles. I don't want any ONE person having such power.

she was wrong about bosnia ..we get it ...but it did happen the fact that she said bosnia you lap on to that like the lap dog you are she never lied she misspoke about bosnia

"Misspoke" is a relatively newly coined word that means "lied."

 

[billyerock1991]

Trump will not lose. He will win HUGE - no matter how much you will him to lose.

Well... okay, you guys go right ahead and slap each other on the back and arrogantly proclaim victory... you're going to get your asses stomped if this shit doesn't change... I promise you that! It's not even going to be close. When that happens, all of your bullshit excuses about how Trump was railroaded... the system is rigged... everybody was against him... the whiny babies didn't support him.... NONE of that is going to be any consolation to us when we wake up the day after the election to President-elect Hillary Clinton!

seems you're a bit one sided ... lets look at what democrats presidents have done for the country ... Bill Clinton past a tax increase ... we were told by the republican party that will put us deeper into debt ... that will cause the market to crash ... that didn't happen we ended up with a surplus under democratic rule ... here we have Obama he passed and signed for loan to the banking community and the car companies ... we were told by the right left them fail ... this loan will break the country ... as we all with a brain know that too didn't happen ... Obama got a bill passed to help the people in his first year in office the republicans refuse to give us what we need because they know that would have pulled us out of a spiraling economy we were having ...so we were forced by the republicans too do it slowly .... either way we Dems once again pulled us out a big fucking mess that you republicans caused ... now you want to elect a maniac like trump into the white house ... whose plane will cause 31 trillion dollars of debt and Hillarys won't ... you really want us to believe you that trump is the better deal cause of your hatred of Hillary???

Look goofball.. Hillary Clinton will be an unmitigated DISASTER for America. Her presidency will be WORSE than Obama's and that was pretty bad. She has NOTHING to offer in terms of policy or competence that I want leading this country. NOTHING.

She is arguably the worst, most corrupt and crooked person to ever seek the office of president. She is equally as unqualified as Obama. It's stunning and jaw-dropping that her corrupt ass is even running. She should be in prison for what she has gotten away with. She may very well end up there before it's all said and done because there is still a lot of stuff yet to come out on her.

Of ALL the things in this world, the LAST thing that I want to happen is for her to win this election.... but that means Trump has to win. Now..... I can sit here with the pom-pom wavers and smear and jeer everyone who dares to raise questions about his strategy or what he's saying.... but I don't think that is helpful in winning the general election. I think that's a guaranteed loss. As much as I differ with him on policy and some of the asinine shit he's throwing out there... I still want him to defeat Hillary Clinton.

So I can sit back and wave the pom-poms and wait for the day after he loses to Hillary and come here whining about how the system was rigged and everybody ganged up on him and people didn't back him... and deal with 4-8 years of President Hildabeast... OR... I can voice my opinion on how he can turn this thing around and WIN the damn election. I'm making an effort to penetrate the hard-heads who are supporting Trump... you best be getting this guy back on track and stop attacking the wrong target. If you can't bring yourselves to do that, the game is over... Hillary WILL win.

we get it dumb fuck you hate hillary ... seem you can accept all of trumps lies and crooked deals thats perfectly fine with you ...and yet you accept trumps failings to be OK in your book ...you talk about hillarys lies and her being crooked has she stiffed thousand of people out of her life savings like trump has but thats perfectly fine for you ...she said she did post classified emails to her server ... as we later learned the emails that the FBI stated turned out not to be classified but you lap the republican banter like a good little lap dog you are ...

then they shouted hillary slept during the benghazi attacks ... that too was a lie from the right hillary spent the whole evening and the next day trying to get some one to help them ... you and your Ilk on the right said she lied that too turned out to be inaccurate ... then she deleted her private emails... you all tried to make something out of that ... she had her lawyer look into the 30,000 emails that she wants to deleted ... so she had some one there who saw them before she deleted them, you see personal emails are't government property and you guys bit into that right wing propaganda bull shit...

the sad part here you goof ball you don't want to really look into who did what and when ...your hatred towards the clintons shows here ... that it clouds your inability to look at anything unbiased ... did you read the PDF files on benghazi its all there ... here under the republican watch we sat and watched 60 people die in their embassy... not one of you on the right were outraged like you are here ... hillary has 4 people in a embassy die and its the crime of the century cause it was on Hillarys watch ... then you republicans need to exaggerate it intro something it wasn't ... where you republicans were all over it like flies on shit like it was the worst thing in the world ... hey embassy get attacked thats not going to change ...

Benghazi was a gun running operation that made Iran-Contra look like a fucking Sunday School picnic. They were running guns out of Libya into Syria and the Islamic radicals turned our own guns on us. That's what she is trying to hide, that's what the deleted emails were about, that's the reason for the lies about the video, that's the purpose of the elaborate cover-up.

oh now youre a mind reader ... seems the missed that in the hearing ... what next are you going to try and push she did nothing to help them ... that she went to bed instead of try to save them ??? are you going to try that bull shit story too??? then try to tell us that it was on her emails she erased ??? is this your best to try and get us liberals to vote for trump??/ good luck with the bunch of bull shit

 

[billyerock1991]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...

You would rather have a person who blamed telling the Bosnia lie for over a year on sleep deprivation? Man that kind of thinking is really scary.

I may be wrong but I don't believe one man can pick up the phone and launch a nuclear war. Even on the submarines that launch the missiles one man does not have the ability to launch missiles. I don't want any ONE person having such power.

she was wrong about bosnia ..we get it ...but it did happen the fact that she said bosnia you lap on to that like the lap dog you are she never lied she misspoke about bosnia

"Misspoke" is a relatively newly coined word that means "lied."

it happens... what can I say ... if its a lie in your opinion when a democrat does it and its accepted when a republican doe it, it doesn't really say much for your opinion now does it

 

[Freewill]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

Regardless of everything Trump/Clinton is the hand dealt to us. If I thought for one second a third party vote would mean anything other than a Clinton win that is where I would go. But electing crooked Hillary is too unacceptable.

Almost all of your critique of Trump is over trivial BS. So what if he doesn't like someone's looks? If he were the perfect PC candidate he would not say a word but he would still think it. Crooked Hillary says stuff about important stuff which is far from the truth, problem is I think she believes it to be true. Take her comment that the FBI found her to be truthful. That is such a departure from the truth it should end her campaign but the MSM would rather focus on Trump commenting on the Khan family vilifying him at the DNC convention and making that mole hill into a mountain.

So we all decry political correctness, now you have a candidate that is totally not PC and he is vilified for that. That is why our politician seldom tell us the truth.

So we all decry the establishment, of both parties, now we have a canidate that is hated by both party's establishment.

So we all decry corporations buying influence, ain't happening with Trump but it is with Hillary.

I certainly hope people don't believe that if they want a non PC president that that president isn't at time going to say things that are not Politically correct. Much better that then having a president that lies even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

So go ahead and buy what the MSM is feeding us. Buy what the establishment wants us to believe. Let corporate interests once again win out. But think to yourself, who do the globalists want in the WH.

well freewill, looks like a lot of republicans are either going to vote for hillary or a third party or not at all ... so you are correct in thinking Hillary will win

I am an independent, I will never vote for crooked Hillary.

In the end that is what most Republicans will think, in my opinion. Trumps negative are far exceeded by crooked Hillary's. You folks said he couldn't and would not be the party nominee and you were dead wrong. So sell him short now, get it out of your system.

no freewill you are a ashamed republican ...who hides under the disguise of being a independent ... we no and ashamed republican when we see one ...

Nope again, I am an unrepentant democrat party hater who got fed up with the Republican party over TPP. I made a stand against the establishment, you on the other hand would never think of turning against party even when the nominee is lying straight up to you and supports TPP. Trump is against TPP. So if you think NAFTA, which crooked Hillary supported, was a good thing then vote for crooked Hillary, of course that doesn't really matter either, there is no way you are voting any other way.

 

[billyerock1991]

you know, i disagree with him on almost everything. but i have to respect that he at least seems to care from a moral level about the person who leads the country.

he isn't analyzing trump's policy because trump has no policies.

that said. i still disagree with the o/p but respect his concerns.

Actually, Trump does have clear policies....and they scare the hell out of you fascist democrats.....

not really doesn't scare the crap out of me ... what it does do in case you're interestted it scares the crap out of the independent voter whose trying t see who they want to vote for ... it seems be be more on the hillary side then it does of the side for Trump ...

Trump is carrying independents....

well you keep believing that while Hillary keeps going up in the polls day by day cause thats all ya got ...Fantasy !!!

Trump closed in and without Hillary getting negative ads or bad press and she got a bump after their convention. Which was what, ages ago to you?

looks like you didn't see the polling yesterday hillary 50% and trump 39% read it a weep ....it was in all the news cast and papers yesterday ... so don't star crying, ok ya can

 

[Boss]

oh now youre a mind reader ... seems the missed that in the hearing ... what next are you going to try and push she did nothing to help them ... that she went to bed instead of try to save them ??? are you going to try that bull shit story too??? then try to tell us that it was on her emails she erased ??? is this your best to try and get us liberals to vote for trump??/ good luck with the bunch of bull shit

No, I realize you're never going to vote for Trump. I realize you're never going to believe that she was involved in a covert gun-running operation or any other scandal she's ever been involved in. I've written you people off a LONG time ago... unlike Trump who seems to think he can coax the Bernie voters over by adopting the Liberal Progressive talking points.

 

[billyerock1991]

Many of us are faced with a very vexing conundrum this election season. We seem to find ourselves with no suitable choices for the presidency of the United States. What's worse, the closer we get to November, the more our choices seem to be completely unacceptable. In the past, perhaps we've had to hold our proverbial noses and vote for the lesser of two evils but what do you do when the evils are equally bad?

I am a conservative who supported Ted Cruz. However, I never dismissed the possibility of voting for Donald Trump, should he prevail in winning the nomination. In fact, I vociferously defended some of his earlier statements regarding illegals being mostly criminals and Mexico paying for the wall. I even defended his remarks about McCain's war hero status insulating him from criticism over policy. My sentiments for Trump began to change after his attacks on Megyn Kelly, which I also dismissed as trivial nonsense. Trump began to attack people who hadn't really attacked him. First, it was Carly Fiorina with comments about her looks. Then it was Ben Carson with comments likening him to a child molester. He went on to attack Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Not just attacks on policy but personal attacks, sleazy and lowdown gutter-level stuff.

Okay... So it's a political campaign and he's trying to win the nomination. The Democrats are going to be sleazy and nasty, so... maybe it's okay for Trump to run such a strategy in the primaries and maybe it's fair to say the candidates who couldn't withstand such attacks didn't deserve the win? I can live with that. I can find a way to dismiss all the smearing and sleazy underhanded lies and distortions because this is a rough game and maybe we need someone who can play it well like Trump? Rolling into the convention, I was willing to forgive all the crap he threw at Cruz for the sake of unifying the party so we could defeat Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of you were ready to do the same. Then came the set up of Cruz and the post-convention speech.

For the next several days, the bashing and smearing of Ted Cruz from the primaries was revived and Trump along with his supporters seemed to take great joy in trashing and bashing Cruz one more time. And this persisted until Trump turned his attention to bashing and trashing a Gold Star father who spoke at the Democratic Convention. So now, we've spent the last several days on that. Any bounce Trump may have gotten from his convention is gone. Hillary is back on top in all the polls and with the negative press Trump is now getting, look for her numbers to go up even more in the coming days. His supporters, undaunted, continue to try and explain, justify and turn the worm on the Gold Star father... completely oblivious to Hillary who is running away with the election.

The Hill reports that a recent poll conducted of the military vote, shows Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate leading both Trump and Clinton. This is shocking because the GOP historically wins this vote by a huge majority. Key Republican congressmen are now coming out in support of Hillary Clinton. Other Republicans are reluctant to endorse Trump or be seen campaigning with him. He continues to completely alienate the Conservative base and try to appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters. There is turmoil within his campaign staff... people abandoning ship left and right. And we all wait for the next bombastic and inflammatory comment to come spewing out of Trump's uncontrollable mouth.

What are we to do? It's a real conundrum for some of us. We can't vote for Hillary Clinton... but how the hell can we vote for someone like Donald Trump? This election should be a cakewalk for virtually ANY competent or half-way-competent republican. Instead, we seem to be stuck with someone who doesn't even seem to like most republicans and certainly doesn't seem to stand for very many conservative principles. He continues to pander to the left, change his positions from what he ran on in the primaries, and attack with viciousness, anyone who dares to disagree with him in any way. This is a mess and there are no signs that things are improving. His small and dwindling base of support seems content to continue defending his outrageous comments and bombastic remarks, they don't want to try and hold him accountable or pull him back. As awkward as it may be, they are out there jumping to his defense. Two weeks removed from the convention and still not focused on Hillary Clinton.

I've got news for you people, you're not helping Donald Trump. You're sure as hell not helping defeat Hillary Clinton. If this continues, perhaps you morons deserve to have Trump burn your party to the ground. It's just a shame that this nation is unfortunately going to have to endure another 8 years of progressive liberalism.. aka:Marxist Socialism at the hands of the most corrupt and crooked politician in history. I honestly don't know if we can survive that, but it's becoming more and more inevitable every day. Trump and his supporters simply don't act like they want to win this election.

Regardless of everything Trump/Clinton is the hand dealt to us. If I thought for one second a third party vote would mean anything other than a Clinton win that is where I would go. But electing crooked Hillary is too unacceptable.

Almost all of your critique of Trump is over trivial BS. So what if he doesn't like someone's looks? If he were the perfect PC candidate he would not say a word but he would still think it. Crooked Hillary says stuff about important stuff which is far from the truth, problem is I think she believes it to be true. Take her comment that the FBI found her to be truthful. That is such a departure from the truth it should end her campaign but the MSM would rather focus on Trump commenting on the Khan family vilifying him at the DNC convention and making that mole hill into a mountain.

So we all decry political correctness, now you have a candidate that is totally not PC and he is vilified for that. That is why our politician seldom tell us the truth.

So we all decry the establishment, of both parties, now we have a canidate that is hated by both party's establishment.

So we all decry corporations buying influence, ain't happening with Trump but it is with Hillary.

I certainly hope people don't believe that if they want a non PC president that that president isn't at time going to say things that are not Politically correct. Much better that then having a president that lies even though the evidence is overwhelmingly against.

So go ahead and buy what the MSM is feeding us. Buy what the establishment wants us to believe. Let corporate interests once again win out. But think to yourself, who do the globalists want in the WH.

well freewill, looks like a lot of republicans are either going to vote for hillary or a third party or not at all ... so you are correct in thinking Hillary will win

I am an independent, I will never vote for crooked Hillary.

In the end that is what most Republicans will think, in my opinion. Trumps negative are far exceeded by crooked Hillary's. You folks said he couldn't and would not be the party nominee and you were dead wrong. So sell him short now, get it out of your system.

no freewill you are a ashamed republican ...who hides under the disguise of being a independent ... we no and ashamed republican when we see one ...

Nope again, I am an unrepentant democrat party hater who got fed up with the Republican party over TPP. I made a stand against the establishment, you on the other hand would never think of turning against party even when the nominee is lying straight up to you and supports TPP. Trump is against TPP. So if you think NAFTA, which crooked Hillary supported, was a good thing then vote for crooked Hillary, of course that doesn't really matter either, there is no way you are voting any other way.

right and ashamed republican we get it...

 

[Freewill]

I don't know if that's the case - Conservative media created and exacerbated this rage....

No... the Conservative media didn't cause this. If you want to blame the feckless establishment GOP leadership who repeatedly capitulated to Obama and ignored the voice of the people who gave them the House and Senate... that's a more accurate assessment. The Conservatives TRIED to make a stand and they were castigated and smeared by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

They fielded several candidates... Cruz, Paul, Walker and Carson, who stood for strong Conservative values and principles but ended up splitting the Conservative vote, while Trump appealed to this new "populist" movement by being brash and politically incorrect. He won with less than a majority of the GOP vote and he's the candidate representing the GOP now.

Now that's all fine and well, but traditionally, the nominee will at least make some gesture or attempt to unify the party... to bring in the various assorted factions to focus on a universal objective which is to defeat Hillary Clinton. But instead of doing this, Trump seems intent on alienating those voters in every way possible. He seems to want to thumb his nose at unification and pretend that his minority of populist support is a unified party who can defeat Clinton. The numbers just aren't there. He cannot win without the support of the rest of the party... he sure as hell can't win by smearing and insulting the hell out of them and on the sole point of not being Hillary Clinton.

hey republicans eat their own whats new... hillary hasn't to really try and do anything she just repeats what he said and trump losses it ... not a person i would want with the nuke codes at his beck and call ...

You would rather have a person who blamed telling the Bosnia lie for over a year on sleep deprivation? Man that kind of thinking is really scary.

I may be wrong but I don't believe one man can pick up the phone and launch a nuclear war. Even on the submarines that launch the missiles one man does not have the ability to launch missiles. I don't want any ONE person having such power.

she was wrong about bosnia ..we get it ...but it did happen the fact that she said bosnia you lap on to that like the lap dog you are she never lied she misspoke about bosnia

You really have to be living in an alternate reality to say that her whole Bosnia story wasn't a lie. It was so bad that even CBS exposed it.

"but it did happen" What "did happen?" She went to Bosnia, big deal, OK that is all she had to say. She could have said they were warned of snipers in the hills. She could have said lots of things but she outright lied. Unless of course she wasn't really there or can't remember. But we know she was there, we have videos of her laughing and smiling walking across the tarmac. No running with their heads down, something anyone would remember.

If her story was true then if nothing else she was guilty of child endangerment. I really do not believe I would take my 16 year old daughter into sniper fire, just would not happen.

 

[billyerock1991]

oh now youre a mind reader ... seems the missed that in the hearing ... what next are you going to try and push she did nothing to help them ... that she went to bed instead of try to save them ??? are you going to try that bull shit story too??? then try to tell us that it was on her emails she erased ??? is this your best to try and get us liberals to vote for trump??/ good luck with the bunch of bull shit

No, I realize you're never going to vote for Trump. I realize you're never going to believe that she was involved in a covert gun-running operation or any other scandal she's ever been involved in. I've written you people off a LONG time ago... unlike Trump who seems to think he can coax the Bernie voters over by adopting the Liberal Progressive talking points.

you are right I would never vote for trump ... it was you who was indecisive not me ... I know a crook when I see one and trumps is the biggest crook I've ever seen ... a crook in his campaigning by lying what he said he will do ...crooked in business ... we all know thats a lie that he wants to help the working class he just wants the title president for himself ... he doesn't want to help the people he want the title of being president that will give him self satisfaction 9over his need for himself ... nothing more