The Swiss have had Obama care for 20 years

[Euroconservativ]

Do the Swiss have the same problem with tens of MILLIONS of Illegal immigrants draining their resources? I don't think so.

No, but England, France, Holland and Germany do - and they also have a better, cheaper healthcare system than the US.

Sorry, England, France and Germany do not increase their population by 1% per year.

Cameron, Merkel and Sarkozy have publicly said that multiculturalism has failed. This kind of statement is completely at odds with US mainstream politics.

The US population grows by almost three million/year: 226 million in 1980, 312 million in 2011; +86 million in three decades. That's the population of Spain and Poland combined.

Where does it grow faster?

Texas: 14 million in 1980; 25.5 million in 2011
New York: 17.5 million in 1980; 19.5 million in 2011
Florida: 9.8 million in 1980; 19 million in 2011
Massachusetts: 6 million in 1980; 6.5 million in 2011
California: 23.5 million in 1980; 37.5 million in 2011
Iowa: 2.9 million in 1980; 3 million in 2011
Etc, etc.

No surprise here

 

[Euroconservativ]

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[Norman]

Samson -

Evidence is not hard to find on this:

Healthcare costs per capita:

Holland: $4,914.

France. $3,978

Germany: $4,218

UK: $3,487

USA: $7,960

List of countries by total health expenditure (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does that prove?

I am sure that Niger has cheap health care system too.


For example I live in finland, I do like to increase the health care costs. The system doesn't cover many diseases, and what it does it covers with shitty service/equipment and relatively long wait times (and they stack up too). Forcing me to go private if I need care. Of course trusting into the system I don't have insurance so that's going to cost way too much. As a student it's kind of a though spot.

Further I would argue that doctors can be total idiots here because they can get away with it. I have had completely unbelievable experiences. Several times. Before my experiences I thought they were just stories... It's extremely valuable to be able to pick your doctor yourself, rather than being a pawn. Unfortunately you are at their mercy, whether to see a specialist or get procedures done or not.


Due to those reasons and others a lot of people have chosen to call the health care centers "guessing centers" here.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The acid test to me is: Where did that fuck fucking murdering Senator from Massachusetts, the Father of Government run health care go for his care?

What country did Ted Kennedy choose?

 

[Too Tall]

The centerpiece of the case against Obamacare is the requirement that everyone buy some kind of health insurance or face stiff penalties--the so-called individual mandate. It is a way of moving toward universal coverage without a government-run or single-payer system. It might surprise Americans to learn that another advanced industrial country, one with a totally private health care system, made precisely the same choice nearly 20 years ago: Switzerland. The lessons from Switzerland and other countries can't resolve the constitutional issues, but they suggest the inevitability of some version of Obamacare.

Switzerland is not your typical European welfare-state society. It is extremely business-friendly and has always gone its own way, shunning the euro and charting its own course on health care. The country ranks higher than the U.S. on the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom.

Twenty years ago, Switzerland had a system very similar to America's--private insurers, private providers--with very similar problems. People didn't buy insurance but ended up in emergency rooms, insurers screened out people with pre-existing conditions, and costs were rising fast. The country came to the conclusion that to make health care work, everyone had to buy insurance. So the Swiss passed an individual mandate and reformed their system along lines very similar to Obamacare. The reform law passed by referendum, narrowly. The result two decades later: quality of care remains very high, everyone has access, and costs have moderated. Switzerland spends 11% of its GDP on health care, compared with 17% in the U.S. Its 8 million people have health care that is not tied to their employers, they can choose among many plans, and they can switch plans every year. Overall satisfaction with the system is high.

TIME: Fareed Zakaria

And let see...... do the swiss police the world? How much world aid are they forking out? Oh.... and what is their tax rate?

Just wondering.

The Swiss police Switzerland by having an armed population. World aid, I have no idea and too lazy to google it.

This from a previous post

we are talking about a country that recently voted against a tax hike for the rich: 59% voted against a top federal income tax rate of 22% for those earning more than 250,000 francs/year:

 

[Too Tall]

Yes - god forbid that the US should lower itself to learning from successful models elsewhere.

I don't actually think Switzerland is the best model for the US myself, but the day a country stops looking to what works in other countries is the day it starts to die.

We have a President and a loud liberal minority that believe in open borders. This, from a previous post could never happen.

Every speech that our President makes includes a phrase 'raise the taxes on those making over $250,000.' So we can't learn from the Swiss on this item.

we are talking about a country that recently voted against a tax hike for the rich: 59% voted against a top federal income tax rate of 22% for those earning more than 250,000 francs/year:

And, our President and the same group of retards would not object to a VAT and a National Sales Tax, but they would NEVER agree to lowering the tax rate to 22% on the upper 10%.

Most of them pay an effective rate lower than that today. Oh, I get it. You want to raise their EFFECTIVE tax.

Obama must be very careful with his taxes, being president and all. He paid and effective rate of 26%.

Actually, I was responding to this statement. What part of top tax rate don't you understand?

we are talking about a country that recently voted against a tax hike for the rich: 59% voted against a top federal income tax rate of 22% for those earning more than 250,000 francs/year:

Those wealthy people that derive the majority of their income from capital gains, such as Warren Buffett, do pay the legal amount of capital gains tax that is presently 15%. If you have a problem with the tax code, advocate for higher taxes.

 

[Too Tall]

Not so surprising there - the only countries which compete with the US on consoldiating wealth into the hands of the few are Brazil, Mexico and China.

The US is, it seems, the only western democracy on the planet which no longer expects the American Dream to be possible for the majority of people.

Switzerland enjoys a better distribution of wealth than USA and the rest of Europe.

I had no idea that Brazil, Mexico and China were in Europe. Live and learn!

Try addressing the point. Adults address points.

Adults realize that we were discussing Swiss health care, not the American Dream and the redistribution of wealth.

I had no idea that Brazil, Mexico and China were in Europe. Live and learn! (Sarcasm) Is that better?

 

[Political Junky]

The acid test to me is: Where did that fuck fucking murdering Senator from Massachusetts, the Father of Government run health care go for his care?

What country did Ted Kennedy choose?

The US provides excellent care for the wealthy.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The acid test to me is: Where did that fuck fucking murdering Senator from Massachusetts, the Father of Government run health care go for his care?

What country did Ted Kennedy choose?

The US provides excellent care for the wealthy.

I got damn good care last year when I had a kidney stone. I had a private room, a week in the hospital, and even the internet. I was too stoned to do anything with the latter, but I had it.

I ain't wealthy.

 

[hjmick]

Population of Switzerland: 7,639,961. Per capita income: $67,078. Physicians per 1,000: 4.07. Hospital beds per 1,000: 5.31.

Population of the U.S.: 313,232,044. Per capita income: $47,153. Physicians per 1,000: 2.672. Hospital beds per 1,000: 3.1.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Population of Switzerland: 7,639,961. Per capita income: $67,078. Physicians per 1,000: 4.07. Hospital beds per 1,000: 5.31.

Population of the U.S.: 313,232,044. Per capita income: $47,153. Physicians per 1,000: 2.672. Hospital beds per 1,000: 3.1.

But Obamacare will make things better, give us more choices, and....

 

[Political Junky]

The acid test to me is: Where did that fuck fucking murdering Senator from Massachusetts, the Father of Government run health care go for his care?

What country did Ted Kennedy choose?

The US provides excellent care for the wealthy.

I got damn good care last year when I had a kidney stone. I had a private room, a week in the hospital, and even the internet. I was too stoned to do anything with the latter, but I had it.

I ain't wealthy.

Because of ACA, you won't be denied coverage in the future. A kidney stone is a pre-existing condition for you now.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The US provides excellent care for the wealthy.

I got damn good care last year when I had a kidney stone. I had a private room, a week in the hospital, and even the internet. I was too stoned to do anything with the latter, but I had it.

I ain't wealthy.

Because of ACA, you won't be denied coverage in the future. A kidney stone is a pre-existing condition for you now.

No it isn't.

 

[WillowTree]

The centerpiece of the case against Obamacare is the requirement that everyone buy some kind of health insurance or face stiff penalties--the so-called individual mandate. It is a way of moving toward universal coverage without a government-run or single-payer system. It might surprise Americans to learn that another advanced industrial country, one with a totally private health care system, made precisely the same choice nearly 20 years ago: Switzerland. The lessons from Switzerland and other countries can't resolve the constitutional issues, but they suggest the inevitability of some version of Obamacare.

Switzerland is not your typical European welfare-state society. It is extremely business-friendly and has always gone its own way, shunning the euro and charting its own course on health care. The country ranks higher than the U.S. on the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom.

Twenty years ago, Switzerland had a system very similar to America's--private insurers, private providers--with very similar problems. People didn't buy insurance but ended up in emergency rooms, insurers screened out people with pre-existing conditions, and costs were rising fast. The country came to the conclusion that to make health care work, everyone had to buy insurance. So the Swiss passed an individual mandate and reformed their system along lines very similar to Obamacare. The reform law passed by referendum, narrowly. The result two decades later: quality of care remains very high, everyone has access, and costs have moderated. Switzerland spends 11% of its GDP on health care, compared with 17% in the U.S. Its 8 million people have health care that is not tied to their employers, they can choose among many plans, and they can switch plans every year. Overall satisfaction with the system is high.

TIME: Fareed Zakaria

Yes well obamaland is not business friendly so there ya go

 

[Political Junky]

I got damn good care last year when I had a kidney stone. I had a private room, a week in the hospital, and even the internet. I was too stoned to do anything with the latter, but I had it.

I ain't wealthy.

Because of ACA, you won't be denied coverage in the future. A kidney stone is a pre-existing condition for you now.

No it isn't.

Of course it is, ask you doctor.

 

[Dr Grump]

Basically every civilised country in the world has had Obama care for the past 50 years.

Freedom is more important than practicalities dontcha know...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Because of ACA, you won't be denied coverage in the future. A kidney stone is a pre-existing condition for you now.

No it isn't.

Of course it is, ask you doctor.

Why should I ask my doctor about insurance?

I passed stones about 10 years ago and never once got asked about kidney stones when I got insurance.

 

[The Infidel]

The US provides excellent care for the wealthy.

I got damn good care last year when I had a kidney stone. I had a private room, a week in the hospital, and even the internet. I was too stoned to do anything with the latter, but I had it.

I ain't wealthy.

Because of ACA, you won't be denied coverage in the future. A kidney stone is a pre-existing condition for you now.

GAWD you are naive

 

[The Infidel]

Because of ACA, you won't be denied coverage in the future. A kidney stone is a pre-existing condition for you now.

No it isn't.

Of course it is, ask you doctor.

No it is not... you are wrong.

A kidney stone is not a chronic illness.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

no it isn't.

of course it is, ask you doctor.

no it is not... You are wrong.

A kidney stone is not a chronic illness.

Thank God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!