The Sad, Bitter Truth About Tea Baggers...

[edthecynic]

Working for and being paid by the Government does not = Welfare.

Of course it does by CON$ervative "logic." CON$ claim government workers get paid DOUBLE what the private sector pays therefore half their pay is welfare!

Grow up kid.

Welfare is getting something for nothing. Not being paid for services rendered.

And being overpaid double, as CON$ claim government employees are being paid, is being paid extra for nothing.

 

[edthecynic]

Actually only a few months ago he often posted fairly, though always a bit snarky. I repped him quite a bit. In last few months though, gone meltdown like many on the left. What I find amusing is that many of the former reasonable posters on the left, were full of advice for those on the right during the last election cycle. They do not practice what they preach.

No you didn't, certainly never a pos rep.

And my election advice for Right and Left has always been to vote third Party or write-in.

Yeah, I did. I consider rep not something to talk about in general, but I rep on reasonableness and most often funny. Usually you are reasonable, principled, but reasonable. You haven't been lately.

Well, maybe the Mods can check.

And I'm the same poster as I have always been since I first posted here, using a $ in CON$ and making DittoTards eat their MessiahRushie's words and turning CON$ervative "logic" against them, so if you don't like my posting now then you never did in the past.

 

[Annie]

Of course it does by CON$ervative "logic." CON$ claim government workers get paid DOUBLE what the private sector pays therefore half their pay is welfare!

Grow up kid.

Welfare is getting something for nothing. Not being paid for services rendered.

And being overpaid double, as CON$ claim government employees are being paid, is being paid extra for nothing.

I believe one poster wrote something along the lines of what you are now claiming for all 'cons'.

When AFSME and SEIU make up the largest union portion of membership in the AFL-CIO conglomerate, something is amiss. The government isn't supposed to have an army of political thugs at their disposal, but right now they do. That doesn't mean all these labor members agree, many indeed are at the tea parties. However, like traditional union leaders, leadership is in with their bosses:


Morning Bell: Big Government’s Government Union Firewall | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

Morning Bell: Big Government’s Government Union Firewall

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Indications are that the Progressive Movement is headed for a crushing defeat two weeks from now. Political analysts Stu Rothenberg and Charlie Cook both peg the number of competitive House races at around 100. Separately, both analysts are also predicting Democrats will lose between 45 and 60 seats (39 are needed to switch control of the House). Striking back against the electorate’s small government fervor, AFL-CIO Political Director Karen Ackerman penned a strategy memo last week claiming “Union Voters are the firewall for candidates that support working families.”

And sure enough Big Labor is pouring millions of dollars into this fall’s elections. The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) has spent $1.3 million on ads since September alone, and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) has spent another $5.2 million. Ackerman comforts Beltway liberals: “The AFL-CIO’s grassroots political program has an incredible reach, with union families talking to 17 million of their co-workers; comprised of union members, their families, retirees and members of Working America. Outside the political party committees themselves, we have the largest political mobilization operation in the country.”

What Ackerman doesn’t mention is that the majority of these “union members” don’t get their paychecks from private employers; they are paid by you, the taxpayers. The AFL-CIO may have once represented the interests of steelworkers, auto workers and teamsters, but now the largest union in the AFL-CIO is AFSCME. In fact, 2009 was a historic year for Big Labor: for the first time in American history the majority of union members now work for the government, not the private sector...

 

[edthecynic]

Grow up kid.

Welfare is getting something for nothing. Not being paid for services rendered.

And being overpaid double, as CON$ claim government employees are being paid, is being paid extra for nothing.

I believe one poster wrote something along the lines of what you are now claiming for all 'cons'.

Federal workers earn double - Google Search

 

[American Horse]

Matt Taibi captures the truth about these hypocritical idiots beautifully in the latest issue of Rolling Stone --

After Palin wraps up, I race to the parking lot in search of departing Medicare-motor-scooter conservatives. I come upon an elderly couple, Janice and David Wheelock, who are fairly itching to share their views.

"I'm anti-spending and anti-government," crows David, as scooter-bound Janice looks on. "The welfare state is out of control."

"OK," I say. "And what do you do for a living?"

"Me?" he says proudly. "Oh, I'm a property appraiser. Have been my whole life."

I frown. "Are either of you on Medicare?"

Silence: Then Janice, a nice enough woman, it seems, slowly raises her hand, offering a faint smile, as if to say, You got me!

"Let me get this straight," I say to David. "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor, and your wife is on Medicare. How can you complain about the welfare state?"

"Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

"But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"

"Yeah," he says, "but I don't make very much."

Link -- Tea & Crackers | Rolling Stone Politics

This sounds very much like a farce:

An appriaiser is very different from an assessor, and there is a confusion of terms here that an appraiser would not make, nor would he allow an interviewer make unless he was a little snowed and intimidated by the interviewer. Appraisers typically do work for banks, or individuals, or work for an appraisal firm.

The interviewer made some assumptions that he could not have known: "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"
These two have been taxed and have paid for their Medicare since it was passed in what...1965, and they've been paying their share since then or snce they started their working lives"

People who thank the poster for this ridiculous post are "eat-up" with partisanship, and have willfully suspended commonsense and critical thinking.

 

[uscitizen]

"These two have been taxed and have paid for their Medicare since it was passed in what...1965, and they've been paying their share since then or snce they started their working lives"


Yep they paid for it with tax dollars too if they worked for the government.
Government paying itself?

 

[American Horse]

"These two have been taxed and have paid for their Medicare since it was passed in what...1965, and they've been paying their share since then or snce they started their working lives"


Yep they paid for it with tax dollars too if they worked for the government.
Government paying itself?

USC the entire article has the smell of being a fabrication.
We don't know for certain either of these seniors were government employees. And if the male was an "assessor" rather than an "appraiser" (which he said he was), then he would've been a countr\y employee where assessors are a regular part of goverment.

In any event, the money they paid into SS or Medicare was theirs, and was withheld from their pay checks. and was no less theirs because HE may have been a government employee at some level.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

More than 50 million Americans today are collecting welfare from either the state or federal governments that have to borrow money to fund their defecit spending. It's an absolutely stunning and disgraceful statistic that explains why the U. S. is hurtling towards bankruptcy. This agitated rat who works for Rolling Stone tries to ridicule the Americans who want to restore sanity by voting out the wackjob liberal pols who got us into this mess. The sad bitter truth is that unless the Tea Party succeeds in ousting repulsives like Pelosi and Reed, and thwarting the moochers who vote them into office, America will be bled dry within a decade.

What's more "stunning and disgraceful" are Wall Street bankers who blow a $12 trillion hole in our economy due to reckless gambling in the derivatives market. You tea bagger fuckholes love government deregulation and the "free market" and you saw the ugly result in the fall of 2008.

I'm sorry...you don't have the foggiest clue what I'm talking about because you are an unsophisticated tea bagger idiot simpleton. My bad.

You think we have a free market?

Wow. What a numbskull.

Please, enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, lightweight tea bagger fuck. Wall Street does whatever the fuck they want to do, which is how we got into this recession in the first place. Be prepared to have another new asshole once this debate is over...

Article 1, Section 8, bee-eetch...Part II.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Working for and being paid by the Government does not = Welfare.

Of course it does by CON$ervative "logic." CON$ claim government workers get paid DOUBLE what the private sector pays therefore half their pay is welfare!

The only reason you hear stories about how rich us government workers are is because the pricks in Washington are looking to cut our pay. Furloughs are coming down the road....maybe pay-cuts. I think they should start with their own. Federal Eye - Bill would furlough federal workers for 2 weeks

I KNEW you had to be a government worker, they way you got so offended by the Rolling Stone article.

And you're so fucking stupid that you MUST be an overpaid federal employee. $5.00 per hour is more than what your dumb ass deserves.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

"These two have been taxed and have paid for their Medicare since it was passed in what...1965, and they've been paying their share since then or snce they started their working lives"


Yep they paid for it with tax dollars too if they worked for the government.
Government paying itself?

USC the entire article has the smell of being a fabrication.
We don't know for certain either of these seniors were government employees. And if the male was an "assessor" rather than an "appraiser" (which he said he was), then he would've been a countr\y employee where assessors are a regular part of goverment.

In any event, the money they paid into SS or Medicare was theirs, and was withheld from their pay checks. and was no less theirs because HE may have been a government employee at some level.

As I stated to that idiot mudwhistle before, you can't claim to be "anti-government" and work for the government at the same time, like that stupid old man in the article did.

Well, in your fucked-up tea bagger fantasy world, I guess you can make that claim. I mean, let's face it -- you stupid mother fuckers have never let facts get in the way of your idiotic beliefs before.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Matt Taibbi captures the truth about these hypocritical idiots beautifully in the latest issue of Rolling Stone --

The individuals in the Tea Party may come from very different walks of life, but most of them have a few things in common. After nearly a year of talking with Tea Party members from Nevada to New Jersey, I can count on one hand the key elements I expect to hear in nearly every interview. One: Every single one of them was that exceptional Republican who did protest the spending in the Bush years, and not one of them is the hypocrite who only took to the streets when a black Democratic president launched an emergency stimulus program. ("Not me — I was protesting!" is a common exclamation.) Two: Each and every one of them is the only person in America who has ever read the Constitution or watched Schoolhouse Rock. (Here they have guidance from Armey, who explains that the problem with "people who do not cherish America the way we do" is that "they did not read the Federalist Papers.") Three: They are all furious at the implication that race is a factor in their political views — despite the fact that they blame the financial crisis on poor black homeowners, spend months on end engrossed by reports about how the New Black Panthers want to kill "cracker babies," support politicians who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an overreach of government power, tried to enact South African-style immigration laws in Arizona and obsess over Charlie Rangel, ACORN and Barack Obama's birth certificate. Four: In fact, some of their best friends are black! (Reporters in Kentucky invented a game called "White Male Liberty Patriot Bingo," checking off a box every time a Tea Partier mentions a black friend.) And five: Everyone who disagrees with them is a radical leftist who hates America.

It would be inaccurate to say the Tea Partiers are racists. What they are, in truth, are narcissists. They're completely blind to how offensive the very nature of their rhetoric is to the rest of the country. I'm an ordinary middle-aged guy who pays taxes and lives in the suburbs with his wife and dog — and I'm a radical communist? I don't love my country? I'm a redcoat? Fuck you! These are the kinds of thoughts that go through your head as you listen to Tea Partiers expound at awesome length upon their cultural victimhood, surrounded as they are by America-haters like you and me or, in the case of foreign-born president Barack Obama, people who are literally not Americans in the way they are.

It's not like the Tea Partiers hate black people. It's just that they're shockingly willing to believe the appalling horseshit fantasy about how white people in the age of Obama are some kind of oppressed minority. That may not be racism, but it is incredibly, earth-shatteringly stupid.

Link -- Matt Taibbi on the Tea Party | Rolling Stone Politics

 

[R.C. Christian]

There is going to be a reckoning soon for maggots like you, a reckoning that you caused. Whatever will you do when your plastic little world falls apart and "tea baggers" are pointing guns at you for your treachery? You'll scurry away in terror hiding underneath the first rock you find like the cockroach you are.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Rolling Stone, LOL. You people are useful idiots.

 

[daveman]

Please, enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, lightweight tea bagger fuck. Wall Street does whatever the fuck they want to do, which is how we got into this recession in the first place. Be prepared to have another new asshole once this debate is over...

Article 1, Section 8, bee-eetch...Part II.

Are you really claiming that the market is completely unrestrained by government regulation?


NOTE for USMB:

Please understand that all Air Force reservists aren't as stupid as KWO. I don't know how he slipped through the cracks.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Matt Taibbi captures the truth about these hypocritical idiots beautifully in the latest issue of Rolling Stone --

The individuals in the Tea Party may come from very different walks of life, but most of them have a few things in common. After nearly a year of talking with Tea Party members from Nevada to New Jersey, I can count on one hand the key elements I expect to hear in nearly every interview. One: Every single one of them was that exceptional Republican who did protest the spending in the Bush years, and not one of them is the hypocrite who only took to the streets when a black Democratic president launched an emergency stimulus program. ("Not me — I was protesting!" is a common exclamation.) Two: Each and every one of them is the only person in America who has ever read the Constitution or watched Schoolhouse Rock. (Here they have guidance from Armey, who explains that the problem with "people who do not cherish America the way we do" is that "they did not read the Federalist Papers.") Three: They are all furious at the implication that race is a factor in their political views — despite the fact that they blame the financial crisis on poor black homeowners, spend months on end engrossed by reports about how the New Black Panthers want to kill "cracker babies," support politicians who think the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an overreach of government power, tried to enact South African-style immigration laws in Arizona and obsess over Charlie Rangel, ACORN and Barack Obama's birth certificate. Four: In fact, some of their best friends are black! (Reporters in Kentucky invented a game called "White Male Liberty Patriot Bingo," checking off a box every time a Tea Partier mentions a black friend.) And five: Everyone who disagrees with them is a radical leftist who hates America.

It would be inaccurate to say the Tea Partiers are racists. What they are, in truth, are narcissists. They're completely blind to how offensive the very nature of their rhetoric is to the rest of the country. I'm an ordinary middle-aged guy who pays taxes and lives in the suburbs with his wife and dog — and I'm a radical communist? I don't love my country? I'm a redcoat? Fuck you! These are the kinds of thoughts that go through your head as you listen to Tea Partiers expound at awesome length upon their cultural victimhood, surrounded as they are by America-haters like you and me or, in the case of foreign-born president Barack Obama, people who are literally not Americans in the way they are.

It's not like the Tea Partiers hate black people. It's just that they're shockingly willing to believe the appalling horseshit fantasy about how white people in the age of Obama are some kind of oppressed minority. That may not be racism, but it is incredibly, earth-shatteringly stupid.

Link -- Matt Taibbi on the Tea Party | Rolling Stone Politics

Rolling Stone?

What's next? A "rock bottom" political insight from "High Times Magazine?"

 

[teapartysamurai]

There is going to be a reckoning soon for maggots like you, a reckoning that you caused. Whatever will you do when your plastic little world falls apart and "tea baggers" are pointing guns at you for your treachery? You'll scurry away in terror hiding underneath the first rock you find like the cockroach you are.

Pointing guns???

Back the truck up! I'm Tea Party and I don't even own a gun!

And the last time I pointed a gun at ANYONE, he was trying to pry his way into my house while I was alone.

I have NO intention of pointing a gun at ANYONE for political differences, I don't intend at pointing a gun AT ANYONE unless my life or my family's lives are in danger!

Instead, I'll pull the trigger at the ballot box.

Cool the rhetoric, okay! This is the United States of America, not some banana republic where we shoot it out in the streets when we disagree.

We settle our differences at the election booth.

Cool down!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Please, enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, lightweight tea bagger fuck. Wall Street does whatever the fuck they want to do, which is how we got into this recession in the first place. Be prepared to have another new asshole once this debate is over...

Article 1, Section 8, bee-eetch...Part II.

Are you really claiming that the market is completely unrestrained by government regulation?


NOTE for USMB:

Please understand that all Air Force reservists aren't as stupid as KWO. I don't know how he slipped through the cracks.

Yeah well they said Benedict Arnold served in the military with distinction as well.

 

[uscitizen]

Please, enlighten me with your infinite wisdom, lightweight tea bagger fuck. Wall Street does whatever the fuck they want to do, which is how we got into this recession in the first place. Be prepared to have another new asshole once this debate is over...

Article 1, Section 8, bee-eetch...Part II.

Are you really claiming that the market is completely unrestrained by government regulation?


NOTE for USMB:

Please understand that all Air Force reservists aren't as stupid as KWO. I don't know how he slipped through the cracks.

Yeah well they said Benedict Arnold served in the military with distinction as well.

He was a conservative after all.

 

[American Horse]

"These two have been taxed and have paid for their Medicare since it was passed in what...1965, and they've been paying their share since then or snce they started their working lives"


Yep they paid for it with tax dollars too if they worked for the government.
Government paying itself?

USC the entire article has the smell of being a fabrication.
We don't know for certain either of these seniors were government employees. And if the male was an "assessor" rather than an "appraiser" (which he said he was), then he would've been a countr\y employee where assessors are a regular part of goverment.

In any event, the money they paid into SS or Medicare was theirs, and was withheld from their pay checks. and was no less theirs because HE may have been a government employee at some level.

As I stated to that idiot mudwhistle before, you can't claim to be "anti-government" and work for the government at the same time, like that stupid old man in the article did.

Well, in your fucked-up tea bagger fantasy world, I guess you can make that claim. I mean, let's face it -- you stupid mother fuckers have never let facts get in the way of your idiotic beliefs before.

Let’s Recap: On being approached by this "reporter," apparently upon being asked, David says " - I'm anti-spending and anti-government," crows David, as scooter-bound Janice looks on. "The welfare state is out of control."

"OK," I say. "And what do you do for a living?"

"Me?" he says proudly. "Oh, I'm a property appraiser . Have been my whole life."

I frown. "Are either of you on Medicare?"

Silence: Then Janice, a nice enough woman, it seems, slowly raises her hand, offering a faint smile, as if to say, You got me! [the reporter’s impression, not necessarily what Janice intended to convey]

"Let me get this straight," I say to David. "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor, and your wife is on Medicare. How can you complain about the welfare state?"

David - "Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."
<SNIP>
"Reporter" - I've concluded that the whole miserable narrative boils down to one stark fact: They're full of shit. All of them.
<SNIP>
"Reporter" - The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending &#8212; with the exception of the money spent on them. - &#8221;

In the above narrative, the interviewer approaches two seniors, apparently a husband and wife, and the wife is in a &#8220;scooter.&#8221; He can tell by their appearance that both he and she are likely on Medicare, something they have paid for since its inception in 1965.

Paying into Medicare is a contract, the same as it would be if paid to an insurance company for disability insurance. If the Medicare premiums were kept too low to realistically pay out for benefits, the fault lies with the politicians, not those who were not taxed sufficiently. By creating such a program, and taking the premiums in the form of a tax, the government pre-empted any incentive for folks to look to a different or separate medical/disability plan after retirement. There is supposedly none better than Medicare. As a result retired folks or disabled folks who paid in are entitled to expect the government meet its obligation to pay the claims of those enrolled. They should not be belittled or lose rights of free expression of opinion because they complied with the law.

It was clear to me these two seniors, were not complaining about the Medicare program as it provides for people who&#8217;ve their whole lives paid into the program. Instead, they are aware of people who may never have paid in, or paid in only nominally and draw benefits which drive the costs of the program up forcing it towards bankruptcy. The politicians had an obligation to make necessary changes to make it actuarially responsive. The same thing applies to Social Security and its beneficiaries. They paid in, they are entitled to the promised benefits.

The old man David, in response to the question says he has always been a &#8220;property appraiser&#8221;

He did not say &#8220;property assessor.&#8221; They are entirely different things. Appraisers work in the private sector to provide value estimates of property for purposes of acquiring bank loans, or for valuing property for sale on the private market. They do not work for the government, but their services are required by the government for securing government approved (HUD) loans. The interviewer from &#8220;Rolling Stone&#8221; reports that he said to David - "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor &#8230; &#8221;

Notice that he has changed the words of David, using the term &#8220;tax assessor&#8221; instead of what David clearly said he was, which was a &#8220;property appraiser.&#8221;

At this point the reporter has departed from any claim of accuracy, and his statement becomes ambiguous, and spurious. David surely knows the difference between the two occupations, because assessors, who do work entirely for government agencies, and the actual "assessor" is an elected official, and does very little that compares with what appraisers do.

It is clear to anyone not reading impaired that he is not reporting accurately what he said to David. He is not accurately reporting what was actually said between him and the two seniors,because they would not have accepted his alteration of their responses.

This is a farce, and the author is not reporting accurately what took place, but instead he is embellishing the event to please turds like you, Kerry, to give you talking points; subjects for posts on message boards like this one where you can spread your hatred of anyone who departs from your distorted liberal story line.

" - I mean, let's face it -- you stupid mother fuckers have never let facts get in the way of your idiotic beliefs before." -

 

[edthecynic]

There is going to be a reckoning soon for maggots like you, a reckoning that you caused. Whatever will you do when your plastic little world falls apart and "tea baggers" are pointing guns at you for your treachery? You'll scurry away in terror hiding underneath the first rock you find like the cockroach you are.

Pointing guns???

Back the truck up! I'm Tea Party and I don't even own a gun!

And the last time I pointed a gun at ANYONE, he was trying to pry his way into my house while I was alone.

I have NO intention of pointing a gun at ANYONE for political differences, I don't intend at pointing a gun AT ANYONE unless my life or my family's lives are in danger!

You gotta love CON$ervative "logic."

To prove that teabaggers don't all point guns teabagsamuri asserts that he doesn't even own a gun, but then admits to pointing a gun in the past and he will point a gun in the future under the right circumstances, establishing that you don't need to OWN a gun to POINT a gun thus KILLING his original premise at POINT BLANK range.