The Russians did not need us to defeat Germany

[harmonica]

Actually, if FDR had not intervened to pick a fight with Japan, the Soviets arguably would have collapsed. After FDR succeeded in provoking Japan to turn her hostile intentions from the Soviet Union to America, the Soviets were free to move dozens of divisions, hundreds of thousands of troops, from the Manchurian border to Moscow, and those troops turned the tide against the Germans. This is common knowledge among historians.

The Soviet counteroffensive became possible due to the appearance of fresh divisions from Siberia and the Russian Far East. Until the very last minute, Stalin had kept a significant part of the troops on the border with Manchuria, expecting a Japanese attack.

However, after the Soviet spy Richard Sorge reported that the Japanese Empire was not planning to start a war against the USSR in 1941, several dozen divisions were redeployed to Moscow, where they tipped the scale in the Soviets’ favour. (5 little-known facts about the battle that blunted the German blitzkrieg)​

''arguably''----hahahhahaha---obviously you are wrong--because they did not---they had the Germans beat in 1943

 

[mikegriffith1]

Actually, if FDR had not intervened to pick a fight with Japan, the Soviets arguably would have collapsed. After FDR succeeded in provoking Japan to turn her hostile intentions from the Soviet Union to America, the Soviets were free to move dozens of divisions, hundreds of thousands of troops, from the Manchurian border to Moscow, and those troops turned the tide against the Germans. This is common knowledge among historians.

The Soviet counteroffensive became possible due to the appearance of fresh divisions from Siberia and the Russian Far East. Until the very last minute, Stalin had kept a significant part of the troops on the border with Manchuria, expecting a Japanese attack.

However, after the Soviet spy Richard Sorge reported that the Japanese Empire was not planning to start a war against the USSR in 1941, several dozen divisions were redeployed to Moscow, where they tipped the scale in the Soviets’ favour. (5 little-known facts about the battle that blunted the German blitzkrieg)​

''arguably''----hahahhahaha---obviously you are wrong--because they did not---they had the Germans beat in 1943

Huh? We're not talking about 1943. We're talking about October 1941 to January 1942, when then Germans were on the verge of taking Moscow. If FDR had not intervened to save his beloved Soviet Union, Stalin would have been unable to move dozens of divisions from Manchuria to save Moscow.

Indeed, if FDR had not prevented Japan from attacking the Soviet Union, the Soviets would have collapsed soon after they knew the Japanese had opened a second front on them, and one the most brutal regimes in history would have been destroyed, saving tens of millions of Eastern Europeans and Asians from Soviet tyranny after the war. Not only that, but the collapse of the Soviet Union would have also spared China from the horrors of communism under Mao Tsetung. At the end of the war, the Soviets gave the Chinese Communists tons of weapons and ammo, which they used, with the treasonous help of Truman and Marshall, to defeat the anti-communist Chinese Nationalists.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

11 billion in 1940 dollars aide .....spam included

 

[harmonica]

Actually, if FDR had not intervened to pick a fight with Japan, the Soviets arguably would have collapsed. After FDR succeeded in provoking Japan to turn her hostile intentions from the Soviet Union to America, the Soviets were free to move dozens of divisions, hundreds of thousands of troops, from the Manchurian border to Moscow, and those troops turned the tide against the Germans. This is common knowledge among historians.

The Soviet counteroffensive became possible due to the appearance of fresh divisions from Siberia and the Russian Far East. Until the very last minute, Stalin had kept a significant part of the troops on the border with Manchuria, expecting a Japanese attack.

However, after the Soviet spy Richard Sorge reported that the Japanese Empire was not planning to start a war against the USSR in 1941, several dozen divisions were redeployed to Moscow, where they tipped the scale in the Soviets’ favour. (5 little-known facts about the battle that blunted the German blitzkrieg)​

''arguably''----hahahhahaha---obviously you are wrong--because they did not---they had the Germans beat in 1943

Huh? We're not talking about 1943. We're talking about October 1941 to January 1942, when then Germans were on the verge of taking Moscow. If FDR had not intervened to save his beloved Soviet Union, Stalin would have been unable to move dozens of divisions from Manchuria to save Moscow.

Indeed, if FDR had not prevented Japan from attacking the Soviet Union, the Soviets would have collapsed soon after they knew the Japanese had opened a second front on them, and on the most brutal regimes in history would have been destroyed, saving tens of millions of Eastern Europeans from Soviet tyranny after the war. Not only that, but the collapse of the Soviet Union would have also spared China from the horrors of communism under Mao Tsetung. (At the end of the war, the Soviets have the Chinese Communists tons of weapons and ammo.)

if if if if if if if if ..why don't you put about 100 more ifs in there...jesus christ if if if if if
..the Japanese attacked the US because Russia was busy with the Germans....if Germany didn't attack Russia, Russia would've have more troops to fight Japan ....
etc etc to infinity

 

[harmonica]

Actually, if FDR had not intervened to pick a fight with Japan, the Soviets arguably would have collapsed. After FDR succeeded in provoking Japan to turn her hostile intentions from the Soviet Union to America, the Soviets were free to move dozens of divisions, hundreds of thousands of troops, from the Manchurian border to Moscow, and those troops turned the tide against the Germans. This is common knowledge among historians.

The Soviet counteroffensive became possible due to the appearance of fresh divisions from Siberia and the Russian Far East. Until the very last minute, Stalin had kept a significant part of the troops on the border with Manchuria, expecting a Japanese attack.

However, after the Soviet spy Richard Sorge reported that the Japanese Empire was not planning to start a war against the USSR in 1941, several dozen divisions were redeployed to Moscow, where they tipped the scale in the Soviets’ favour. (5 little-known facts about the battle that blunted the German blitzkrieg)​

''arguably''----hahahhahaha---obviously you are wrong--because they did not---they had the Germans beat in 1943

Huh? We're not talking about 1943. We're talking about October 1941 to January 1942, when then Germans were on the verge of taking Moscow. If FDR had not intervened to save his beloved Soviet Union, Stalin would have been unable to move dozens of divisions from Manchuria to save Moscow.

Indeed, if FDR had not prevented Japan from attacking the Soviet Union, the Soviets would have collapsed soon after they knew the Japanese had opened a second front on them, and one the most brutal regimes in history would have been destroyed, saving tens of millions of Eastern Europeans and Asians from Soviet tyranny after the war. Not only that, but the collapse of the Soviet Union would have also spared China from the horrors of communism under Mao Tsetung. At the end of the war, the Soviets gave the Chinese Communists tons of weapons and ammo, which they used, with the treasonous help of Truman and Marshall, to defeat the anti-communist Chinese Nationalists.

..we' ve been over this before--he could've taken Moscow and SO WHAT!!!???--Napoleon took it and guess what?? he LOST
hahahhaahahahahah

 

[gipper]

Actually, if FDR had not intervened to pick a fight with Japan, the Soviets arguably would have collapsed. After FDR succeeded in provoking Japan to turn her hostile intentions from the Soviet Union to America, the Soviets were free to move dozens of divisions, hundreds of thousands of troops, from the Manchurian border to Moscow, and those troops turned the tide against the Germans. This is common knowledge among historians.

The Soviet counteroffensive became possible due to the appearance of fresh divisions from Siberia and the Russian Far East. Until the very last minute, Stalin had kept a significant part of the troops on the border with Manchuria, expecting a Japanese attack.

However, after the Soviet spy Richard Sorge reported that the Japanese Empire was not planning to start a war against the USSR in 1941, several dozen divisions were redeployed to Moscow, where they tipped the scale in the Soviets’ favour. (5 little-known facts about the battle that blunted the German blitzkrieg)​

''arguably''----hahahhahaha---obviously you are wrong--because they did not---they had the Germans beat in 1943

Huh? We're not talking about 1943. We're talking about October 1941 to January 1942, when then Germans were on the verge of taking Moscow. If FDR had not intervened to save his beloved Soviet Union, Stalin would have been unable to move dozens of divisions from Manchuria to save Moscow.

Indeed, if FDR had not prevented Japan from attacking the Soviet Union, the Soviets would have collapsed soon after they knew the Japanese had opened a second front on them, and on the most brutal regimes in history would have been destroyed, saving tens of millions of Eastern Europeans from Soviet tyranny after the war. Not only that, but the collapse of the Soviet Union would have also spared China from the horrors of communism under Mao Tsetung. (At the end of the war, the Soviets have the Chinese Communists tons of weapons and ammo.)

if if if if if if if if ..why don't you put about 100 more ifs in there...jesus christ if if if if if
..the Japanese attacked the US because Russia was busy with the Germans....if Germany didn't attack Russia, Russia would've have more troops to fight Japan ....
etc etc to infinity

Hitler beat Stalin to punch by just a few days. The Red Army was positioned for the offensive against Germany. This is why the Germans captured millions of Red Army troops in the first weeks of Barbarossa.

 

[mikegriffith1]

It came to light at least 10 years ago that Hitler's key nuclear scientists had no intention of developing a nuke for him. They dragged their feet and only made just enough progress to keep Hitler from executing them.

 

[Picaro]

The Brits rescued Stalin before we got into the war. British armor and ammo allowed Stalin to mount the Soviet winter offensives that ended the German threat at Moscow. The Brits sent the first convoys. Churchill and the Brits were the people who desperately needed the Soviets in the war, for obvious reasons, and that became general Allied policy from that start. Early on we had no idea if we could even get many men and materials across a hostile Atlantic ocean. Early landings in North Africa proved we could.