The Rise and Fall of President Wilson Obama

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    1. The progressives, led by President Woodrow Wilson, placed their faith in reason and the better nature of the American people. They had been inspired by a faith in democratic reforms as a salve for the wounds of both industrial civilization and power politics.

    2. A former college professor, first (and only) POTUS with a PhD was the first president to have studied socialism, arguing that “in fundamental theory socialism and democracy are almost if not quite one and the same.”

    3. His numinous rhetoric resonated with the highest of principles.

    4. “Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals.”

    5. He said that “when you do socialism justice, it is hardly different from the heart of Christianity itself.”

    6. The progressives, led by President Woodrow Wilson, placed their faith in reason and the better nature of the American people as they perceive it.

    7. His numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.

    8. He won his Presidency promising to be a transitional President, embraced by many leftists as a thaumaturgical leader of near-messianic promise,

    9. Proposed that expanded government would serve as an engine of popular goodwill to soften the harsh rigors of capitalism.

    10. But, unable to deal with the realities of the world situation, and difficulties with his domestic policies, his ability in question, his numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.

    11. Making a decisive break with Wilson and their optimism about his ability to deliver on his promises, the disenchanted progressives renamed themselves “liberals.


    The more things change the more they remain the same.

    It will be interesting to see the new name today's liberals will choose.


    For interesting reading about President Woodrow Wilson: 1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009
     
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    I did not know this. This is interesting because I'm beginning to read Three New Deals and it opens up with how state building throughout the entire western world emulated the designs of the NAZIs and Italian fascist. The design seemed to suggest a feeling of superiority, power, and community all at the same time (God). The fascist of Germany and Italy chose that particular design to reflect their own philosophy but why would FDR also do that? Why would the same design pop up in France and England?

    Aren't these very interesting questions...
     
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    Thanks PC

    I learned a new word today :eusa_angel:

    thau⋅ma⋅tur⋅gic  [thaw-muh-tur-jik]
    –adjective
    1. pertaining to a thaumaturge or to thaumaturgy.
    2. having the powers of a thaumaturge.

    thau·ma·turge (thôm-tûrj) also thau·ma·tur·gist (-tûrjst)
    n.
    A performer of miracles or magic feats.
     
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    Actually, a lot of them are running back to "progressive". Probably because the average schlubb on the street has no idea what damage T. Roosevelt/Wilson progressivism has done to the republic.
     
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    Wilson won his Presidency because of the Bull Moose Party lead by Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt and Taft split the republican vote leaving the Presidency for Wilson.

    Kind of like what Sarah Palin is trying to do. Palin is the first candidate since Teddy Roosevelt to actually shoot a Bull Moose
     
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    Ah, Wilson, the massive racist who claimed that each race needed its own lil country (ironic that he was president of a country based and functioning on EXACTLY the opposite) who threw the USA into a Worl War it had no business in to help the colonial powers for a buck, and was laughed out at the peace conference and unsupported by his own house and senate.

    And I didn't even mention that he thought blacks should be seperated from whites as to him they were inferior.

    Some 'hero.'
     
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    And hold his still warm (eye) balls in her hand. ;) :D
     
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    What is the point of your post?

    Is it to simply to posit that you are aware of the Bull Moose Party?

    Did you not understand that the OP pointed out a number of similarities in the rise of President Obama and President Wilson...and the suggestion that he is just as much an empty suit, using his academic background and speaking ability to hide the many imperfections, and socialist inclinations?

    BTW, it was the second term election, not the 1913 election in which he garnered Bull Moose votes. He won the Presidency, second term, by bringing sizable numbers of Bull Moosers (who admired Germany’s proto-welfare state) and Eugene Debs’s Socialists into his “peace camp,” and maintained his strong ties with the largely antiwar Left- even after entry into the war.

    "Wilson faced a Republican Party that had recovered from a 1912 split between Teddy Roosevelt’s breakaway Bull Moose progressives and anti-reform regulars to coalesce around Supreme Court Justice Charles Evan Hughes. As war raged in Europe, the incumbent narrowly won by bringing sizable numbers of Bull Moosers (who admired Germany’s proto-welfare state) and Eugene Debs’s Socialists into his “peace camp.”

    1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009


    "That’s a shame, because Wilson’s two terms in office provide the clearest historical window into the soul of progressivism. Wilson’s racism, his ideological rigidity, and his antipathy toward the Constitution were all products of the progressive worldview. And since “progressivism” is suddenly in vogue – today’s leading Democrats proudly wear the label – it’s worth actually reviewing what progressivism was and what actually happened under the last full-throated progressive president.

    The record should give sober pause to anyone who’s mesmerized by the progressive promise.

    But they don’t even understand their own intellectual history."
    The First “Progressive” President - Transterrestrial Musings
     
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    No, the purpose was to point out that the original post is a load of shit.

    Obama was an overwhelmingly popular elected President. Wilson was elected because Teddy Roosevelt split the republican party.....just like Sarah Palin is going to do
     
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    Consistency: your language has the same depth as your thinking.

    Either document any of the bullet points in the OP that are, shall we say, 'incorrect', or continue to exhibit the dunce cap that is your holiday accessory.

    You have earned the honor by neglecting to admit that you named the wrong election in your last post.

    I don't mind repeating, since a conservative never stands so tall as when she stoops to help a liberal- 'progressive'- to understand.

    Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career impetus of being able to speak in ways that inspire.

    Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career faults in that they are less than competent, and misguided in their political philosophies.

    History will document the absence of substance in the Obama Administration.

    Serendipidous for you, history rarely names gullible supporters of failed regimes.
     

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