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I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.
An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).
Revise means to change or modify.
Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.
Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.
Oh boy! We got ourselves a pissing contest! This ignorant slut can't discuss facts so she starts with the namecalling. Why don't you go back to your Glory Hole? Your customers must be missing you by now.
Are done with the pissing contest yet?
You revise history by applying 21st century values to evalutate an early 20th century Presidents. Yes women were treated like shit, yes blacks did not have civil rights, yes labor was abused. Wilson was no different than any other leader of his era in how he responded on these issues.
Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failure shows your innate ignorance of history. Yes you read a stupid book showing Wilson to be a prick. You also ignore the historical record which ranks Wilson as one of our top Presidents. Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failed President shows your ignorance.
Ready to start the pissing contest again?
Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.
Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.
Oh boy! We got ourselves a pissing contest! This ignorant slut can't discuss facts so she starts with the namecalling. Why don't you go back to your Glory Hole? Your customers must be missing you by now.
Are done with the pissing contest yet?
You revise history by applying 21st century values to evalutate an early 20th century Presidents. Yes women were treated like shit, yes blacks did not have civil rights, yes labor was abused. Wilson was no different than any other leader of his era in how he responded on these issues.
Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failure shows your innate ignorance of history. Yes you read a stupid book showing Wilson to be a prick. You also ignore the historical record which ranks Wilson as one of our top Presidents. Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failed President shows your ignorance.
Ready to start the pissing contest again?
Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.
Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.
You have not shown where Wilson acted any differently than his contemporaries. You state history without putting it into its historical perspective. To apply modern standards to actions committed almost a hundred years ago is deceptive.
Ready to admit that in spite of his shortfallings, Wilson is still considered one of our best Presidents?
Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan
I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.
An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).
Revise means to change or modify.
Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.
Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.
Oh boy! We got ourselves a pissing contest! This ignorant slut can't discuss facts so she starts with the namecalling. Why don't you go back to your Glory Hole? Your customers must be missing you by now.
Are done with the pissing contest yet?
You revise history by applying 21st century values to evalutate an early 20th century Presidents. Yes women were treated like shit, yes blacks did not have civil rights, yes labor was abused. Wilson was no different than any other leader of his era in how he responded on these issues.
Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failure shows your innate ignorance of history. Yes you read a stupid book showing Wilson to be a prick. You also ignore the historical record which ranks Wilson as one of our top Presidents. Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failed President shows your ignorance.
Ready to start the pissing contest again?
Crusader once again proving his ignorance. Hitler did not run German Industry.
Obama is not even close
Do you even know what National Socialism is?
Something that was kept from us while growing up in the school system.
Socialism can't possibly be bad can it?
Oh boy! We got ourselves a pissing contest! This ignorant slut can't discuss facts so she starts with the namecalling. Why don't you go back to your Glory Hole? Your customers must be missing you by now.
Are done with the pissing contest yet?
You revise history by applying 21st century values to evalutate an early 20th century Presidents. Yes women were treated like shit, yes blacks did not have civil rights, yes labor was abused. Wilson was no different than any other leader of his era in how he responded on these issues.
Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failure shows your innate ignorance of history. Yes you read a stupid book showing Wilson to be a prick. You also ignore the historical record which ranks Wilson as one of our top Presidents. Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failed President shows your ignorance.
Ready to start the pissing contest again?
Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.
Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.
You have not shown where Wilson acted any differently than his contemporaries. You state history without putting it into its historical perspective. To apply modern standards to actions committed almost a hundred years ago is deceptive.
Ready to admit that in spite of his shortfallings, Wilson is still considered one of our best Presidents?
Why do conservative blowhards say he's all ready fallen despite being less than 1/4 into his term? Are they so desperate that they'll play Nostradamus?
Why do conservative blowhards say he's all ready fallen despite being less than 1/4 into his term? Are they so desperate that they'll play Nostradamus?
He's proved to be every bit the goat-fuck we expected him to be.
His constant screwups have been predicatable and his sinking poll numbers refect it.
1. The progressives, led by President Woodrow Wilson, placed their faith in reason and the better nature of the American people. They had been inspired by a faith in democratic reforms as a salve for the wounds of both industrial civilization and power politics.
2. A former college professor, first (and only) POTUS with a PhD was the first president to have studied socialism, arguing that in fundamental theory socialism and democracy are almost if not quite one and the same.
3. His numinous rhetoric resonated with the highest of principles.
4. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals.
5. He said that when you do socialism justice, it is hardly different from the heart of Christianity itself.
6. The progressives, led by President Woodrow Wilson, placed their faith in reason and the better nature of the American people as they perceive it.
7. His numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.
8. He won his Presidency promising to be a transitional President, embraced by many leftists as a thaumaturgical leader of near-messianic promise,
9. Proposed that expanded government would serve as an engine of popular goodwill to soften the harsh rigors of capitalism.
10. But, unable to deal with the realities of the world situation, and difficulties with his domestic policies, his ability in question, his numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.
11. Making a decisive break with Wilson and their optimism about his ability to deliver on his promises, the disenchanted progressives renamed themselves liberals.
The more things change the more they remain the same.
It will be interesting to see the new name today's liberals will choose.
For interesting reading about President Woodrow Wilson: 1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009
I did not know this. This is interesting because I'm beginning to read Three New Deals and it opens up with how state building throughout the entire western world emulated the designs of the NAZIs and Italian fascist. The design seemed to suggest a feeling of superiority, power, and community all at the same time (God). The fascist of Germany and Italy chose that particular design to reflect their own philosophy but why would FDR also do that? Why would the same design pop up in France and England?
Aren't these very interesting questions...
7. His numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.
The Rise and Fall of President Wilson Obama
Well, he has had a "fall" in terms of approval numbers, but it's still wishful thinking on cons' part to say already that his is a "failed" Presidency with only about 11 months into office.
One op-ed deserves another:
With your permission, of course, I will once again defy popular suppositions. For while the free-floating disappointment with President Obama, not the thinker but the actor, is all too real, the fact is that in less than one short year, he has wrought change so profound in the American scene that one would barely recognize today's country compared to that of 2006 and 2007.
First consider health care and insurance. Do you recall ever hearing anything about health during the George W. administration (except in their beloved gruesome battlefield hospitals, of course)? Obama has made health into the subject du jour; the papers and TV are full of it; individual cases of insurance denial are being taken apart, bit by bit. Many Americans have noticed that the health insurance companies have not dared to tell "their" story -- when one did come into the news, it was because it had turned down a desperately ill insured man needing around-the-clock care, calling him a "dog." So much for the moral stature of the insurance companies we trust with our lives!
Next consider Wall Street. The negative coverage of the big brokerage houses and their outrageous gaming of the system has become so clear to Americans over this last year that no one could expect them to reclaim their former place of respect in our society. While there is still a lot of questioning on whether the administration's enormous stimulus package will rescue the economy and bring enough funds to small business, the undeniable fact is that the administration has acted, and acted swiftly. Now the discussion is about how the nation responds when its economy is failing.
And finally, consider our foreign policy. Under George W. Bush, and especially in the hands of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, all three of whom seemed to get a Viagra punch out of insulting our allies and trying to wipe off the face of the Earth anyone they didn't particularly like, America had sunk to its lowest place in the world order for many years. Obama has changed that.
Change has come to the national debate -- chicagotribune.com
Now this is kind of repartee I like.
First of all, thank you for the style, posting a cogent document as an answer. So different from the vituperative ravings of the immature 'wingy,' whose posts are more on the line of "so are you..."
To the fray:
1. You are correct, of course, as to the limited duration of his Presidency, and things may well change, but you are not correct that one must wait until the term is over to voice opinion or criticism.
Based on the 11 months alone, he has failed in so many ways that independents are fleeing his camp, and he is taking fire from the left as well. From your post:"...the free-floating disappointment with President Obama..."
Point for my side?
2. As for "...he has wrought change so profound in the American scene that one would barely recognize today's country compared to that of 2006 and 2007...." this is truly comic relief.
Notice the columnist did not list any actual changes, and, being fair minded, you must admit that had a traveler visited in 2006, and now, he would find any differences, let us say, far from jaw-dropping.
The line reeks of high school journalism, and, at best, is overwrought polemic.
3. Next: "...First consider health care and insurance. Do you recall ever hearing anything about health during the George W. administration..." Hearing is the operative term. Nothing has been done. Can you point to any changes?
Now, as to the explanation of the import of the sentence: a) since 85-90% of folks with healthcare are happy with it, there was no reason to trumpet it, and b) the real reason for the healthcare bill is to allow bigger government and more control over the economy.
If you like, I will document that the United States Healthcare System is the best in the world, and results in the greatest longevity.
4. Unintentional truth: "... the papers and TV are full of it..." You can say that again!
5. "...individual cases of insurance denial are being taken apart, bit by bit. Many Americans have noticed that the health insurance companies have not dared to tell "their" story -- when one did come into the news, it was because it had turned down a desperately ill insured man needing around-the-clock care, calling him a "dog." So much for the moral stature of the insurance companies we trust with our lives!"
Which Nationalized-Universal Healthcare has 100% satisfaction, no flaws, or the outstanding record that the US system has?
Which Insurance companies in the US can sell policies in every state, or which ones are allowed by state law to determine exactly what they cover?
None and none.
These are government problems, not problems of healthcare.
6. "...no one could expect them to reclaim their former place of respect in our society..." The scribbler needs to retake that high school journalism class.
What was their previous level of respect?
Is this a prediction that folks will stop investing, and secret their money in the mattress?
7. And this one: "While there is still a lot of questioning on whether the administration's enormous stimulus package will rescue the economy ..."
Isn't this covered by "...he has wrought change so profound in the American scene..."
So, the economy which is viewed as our biggest problem, hasn't been profoundly changed?
Kind of insipid in the 'change' department.
8. And "...undeniable fact is that the administration has acted, and acted swiftly..."
So we are to salute actions which, according to the previous item, hasn't worked?
I think this is the hallmark of public education.
Might I venture a guess that you are a graduate of same?
9a) "... consider our foreign policy..." Which aspects, outside of bows and apologies, has President Obama reversed vis-s-vis President Bush? Afghanistan? Iraq?
And if you can list any other forieign policy actions, which have borne fruit?
9b) "...insulting our allies and trying to wipe off the face of the Earth anyone they didn't particularly like,..." Documentation, please. Are you including returning the Churchill Bust, and the DVD's as insults? Those would be Obama. Withdrawing support from Poland, as in the missile defense plan? Obama again. Telling Israel where they can build? Obama.
I missed which ones we were "trying to wipe off the face of the Earth"- please list some.
10. "...America had sunk to its lowest place in the world order for many years. Obama has changed that..."
Reality is defined by actions, not words. But this misunderstanding is shared by most liberals.
Please show the dramatic change in the actions by the various nations in their actions vis-a-vis American interests since the Obama Apology Tour.
So, thank you for posting that article.
Having dissected that, I will now return to cooking, so that we may dissect another turkey.
9b) "...insulting our allies and trying to wipe off the face of the Earth anyone they didn't particularly like,..." Documentation, please.
Are you including returning the Churchill Bust, and the DVD's as insults? Those would be Obama. Withdrawing support from Poland, as in the missile defense plan? Obama again. Telling Israel where they can build? Obama.
10. "...America had sunk to its lowest place in the world order for many years. Obama has changed that..."
Reality is defined by actions, not words. But this misunderstanding is shared by most liberals.
Please show the dramatic change in the actions by the various nations in their actions vis-a-vis American interests since the Obama Apology Tour.
7. And this one: "While there is still a lot of questioning on whether the administration's enormous stimulus package will rescue the economy ..."
Isn't this covered by "...he has wrought change so profound in the American scene..."
So, the economy which is viewed as our biggest problem, hasn't been profoundly changed?
Kind of insipid in the 'change' department.
8. And "...undeniable fact is that the administration has acted, and acted swiftly..."
So we are to salute actions which, according to the previous item, hasn't worked?
I think this is the hallmark of public education.
Might I venture a guess that you are a graduate of same?
This is really what you think is so "Threadworthy"?????
Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career impetus of being able to speak in ways that inspire.
Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career faults in that they are less than competent, and misguided in their political philosophies.
Big fucking deal. Its a takeoff from the wingnut "Hitler was a good speaker, Obama is a good speaker, therefore...Obama is the same as Hitler
History will document the absence of substance in the Obama Administration.
Wishful thinking by rightwingnuts someday hoping to recapture the White House. Obama will go down in history as a top 10 President. Our last wingnut endorsed President is currently a bottlm 5 President
Serendipidous for you, history rarely names gullible supporters of failed regimes.
More wishful thinking from the wingnuts. Obama has redirected the country as is leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place as a top ten President. Yes, I will proudly tell my grandkids that I voted for Obama ...twice
Ah, yes, I agree with you in this phrase: "...leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place..."
That's for sure.
It sure is...
Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is
1. The progressives, led by President Woodrow Wilson, placed their faith in reason and the better nature of the American people. They had been inspired by a faith in democratic reforms as a salve for the wounds of both industrial civilization and power politics.
2. A former college professor, first (and only) POTUS with a PhD was the first president to have studied socialism, arguing that in fundamental theory socialism and democracy are almost if not quite one and the same.
3. His numinous rhetoric resonated with the highest of principles.
4. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals.
5. He said that when you do socialism justice, it is hardly different from the heart of Christianity itself.
6. The progressives, led by President Woodrow Wilson, placed their faith in reason and the better nature of the American people as they perceive it.
7. His numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.
8. He won his Presidency promising to be a transitional President, embraced by many leftists as a thaumaturgical leader of near-messianic promise,
9. Proposed that expanded government would serve as an engine of popular goodwill to soften the harsh rigors of capitalism.
10. But, unable to deal with the realities of the world situation, and difficulties with his domestic policies, his ability in question, his numinous rhetoric, it was concluded, was mere mummery.
11. Making a decisive break with Wilson and their optimism about his ability to deliver on his promises, the disenchanted progressives renamed themselves liberals.
The more things change the more they remain the same.
It will be interesting to see the new name today's liberals will choose.
For interesting reading about President Woodrow Wilson: 1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009
I did not know this. This is interesting because I'm beginning to read Three New Deals and it opens up with how state building throughout the entire western world emulated the designs of the NAZIs and Italian fascist. The design seemed to suggest a feeling of superiority, power, and community all at the same time (God). The fascist of Germany and Italy chose that particular design to reflect their own philosophy but why would FDR also do that? Why would the same design pop up in France and England?
Aren't these very interesting questions...
Gee, and to think after reading the OP I thought, well, this is novel, an anti-Obama thread that makes a historical comparison that isn't to the Nazis.
Why do conservative blowhards say he's all ready fallen despite being less than 1/4 into his term? Are they so desperate that they'll play Nostradamus?
He's proved to be every bit the goat-fuck we expected him to be.
His constant screwups have been predicatable and his sinking poll numbers refect it.
The fact that the wingnut fringe is disappointed in Obama proves that he is doing what "We the people" elected him to do
Ah, yes, I agree with you in this phrase: "...leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place..."
That's for sure.
It sure is...
Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is
eh...
Not to say I regret my vote, but just like with the negatives, it's still too early to tell on this, too. Let's see if he can make it past one term, at least.
Why do conservative blowhards say he's all ready fallen despite being less than 1/4 into his term? Are they so desperate that they'll play Nostradamus?
He's proved to be every bit the goat-fuck we expected him to be.
His constant screwups have been predicatable and his sinking poll numbers refect it.
It sure is...
Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is
eh...
Not to say I regret my vote, but just like with the negatives, it's still too early to tell on this, too. Let's see if he can make it past one term, at least.
I think it's very possible that right at this moment several candidates would beat him in a runoff election after witnessing his fuck ups.
He's proved to be every bit the goat-fuck we expected him to be.
His constant screwups have been predicatable and his sinking poll numbers refect it.
The fact that the wingnut fringe is disappointed in Obama proves that he is doing what "We the people" elected him to do
I really wonder what you wanted him to do?
Turn America into a second-rate country....a former world power......an economic disaster?
I guess that must be what you wanted him to do.
Why do conservative blowhards say he's all ready fallen despite being less than 1/4 into his term? Are they so desperate that they'll play Nostradamus?
