The Rise and Fall of President Wilson Obama

[CrusaderFrank]

Hitler ran German industry and Obama is trying to run American Industry

Crusader once again proving his ignorance. Hitler did not run German Industry.

Obama is not even close

Do you even know what National Socialism is?

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is really what you think is so "Threadworthy"?????

Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career impetus of being able to speak in ways that inspire.

Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career faults in that they are less than competent, and misguided in their political philosophies.

Big fucking deal. Its a takeoff from the wingnut "Hitler was a good speaker, Obama is a good speaker, therefore...Obama is the same as Hitler

History will document the absence of substance in the Obama Administration.

Wishful thinking by rightwingnuts someday hoping to recapture the White House. Obama will go down in history as a top 10 President. Our last wingnut endorsed President is currently a bottlm 5 President

Serendipidous for you, history rarely names gullible supporters of failed regimes.

More wishful thinking from the wingnuts. Obama has redirected the country as is leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place as a top ten President. Yes, I will proudly tell my grandkids that I voted for Obama ...twice

Ah, yes, I agree with you in this phrase: "...leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place..."

That's for sure.

 

[rightwinger]

This is really what you think is so "Threadworthy"?????

Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career impetus of being able to speak in ways that inspire.

Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career faults in that they are less than competent, and misguided in their political philosophies.

Big fucking deal. Its a takeoff from the wingnut "Hitler was a good speaker, Obama is a good speaker, therefore...Obama is the same as Hitler

History will document the absence of substance in the Obama Administration.

Wishful thinking by rightwingnuts someday hoping to recapture the White House. Obama will go down in history as a top 10 President. Our last wingnut endorsed President is currently a bottlm 5 President

Serendipidous for you, history rarely names gullible supporters of failed regimes.

More wishful thinking from the wingnuts. Obama has redirected the country as is leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place as a top ten President. Yes, I will proudly tell my grandkids that I voted for Obama ...twice

Ah, yes, I agree with you in this phrase: "...leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place..."

That's for sure.

It sure is...

Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is really what you think is so "Threadworthy"?????

Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career impetus of being able to speak in ways that inspire.

Presidents Wilson and Obama share the career faults in that they are less than competent, and misguided in their political philosophies.

Big fucking deal. Its a takeoff from the wingnut "Hitler was a good speaker, Obama is a good speaker, therefore...Obama is the same as Hitler

History will document the absence of substance in the Obama Administration.

Wishful thinking by rightwingnuts someday hoping to recapture the White House. Obama will go down in history as a top 10 President. Our last wingnut endorsed President is currently a bottlm 5 President

Serendipidous for you, history rarely names gullible supporters of failed regimes.

More wishful thinking from the wingnuts. Obama has redirected the country as is leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place as a top ten President. Yes, I will proudly tell my grandkids that I voted for Obama ...twice

Ah, yes, I agree with you in this phrase: "...leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place..."

That's for sure.

It sure is...

Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is

But only by the Politburo, apparachik.


Wilson had the distinct advantage of being viewed, on your list, by liberals, and of being a successful wartime President.

You should brush up on Wilson's repression of critics, to the point of jailing and deporting those who disagreed with his policies.


If his infatuation with socialism and communism rates him at the top of your list, then I guess President Obama will be there, too.

 

[rightwinger]

Ah, yes, I agree with you in this phrase: "...leading an economic recovery and healthcare bill that will seal his place..."

That's for sure.

It sure is...

Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is

But only by the Politburo, apparachik.


Wilson had the distinct advantage of being viewed, on your list, by liberals, and of being a successful wartime President.

You should brush up on Wilson's repression of critics, to the point of jailing and deporting those who disagreed with his policies.


If his infatuation with socialism and communism rates him at the top of your list, then I guess President Obama will be there, too.

Wilson has been out of office for over 90 years. Historians have had more than enough time to evaluate his Presidency. These historians include moderates, conservatives and liberals. He is universally considered a top 10 President and his position has not changed radically over the last 50 years

 

[mudwhistle]

8. He won his Presidency promising to be a transitional President, embraced by many leftists as a thaumaturgical leader of near-messianic promise,

Thanks PC

I learned a new word today

thau⋅ma⋅tur⋅gic  [thaw-muh-tur-jik]
–adjective
1. pertaining to a thaumaturge or to thaumaturgy.
2. having the powers of a thaumaturge.

thau·ma·turge (thôm-tûrj) also thau·ma·tur·gist (-tûrjst)
n.
A performer of miracles or magic feats.

Pretty much the fake image they tried to convey in Obama.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hitler ran German industry and Obama is trying to run American Industry

Crusader once again proving his ignorance. Hitler did not run German Industry.

Obama is not even close

Do you even know what National Socialism is?

Something that was kept from us while growing up in the school system.

Socialism can't possibly be bad can it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It sure is...

Obama will be considered a top 10 President....just like Wilson is

But only by the Politburo, apparachik.


Wilson had the distinct advantage of being viewed, on your list, by liberals, and of being a successful wartime President.

You should brush up on Wilson's repression of critics, to the point of jailing and deporting those who disagreed with his policies.


If his infatuation with socialism and communism rates him at the top of your list, then I guess President Obama will be there, too.

Wilson has been out of office for over 90 years. Historians have had more than enough time to evaluate his Presidency. These historians include moderates, conservatives and liberals. He is universally considered a top 10 President and his position has not changed radically over the last 50 years

You will not find him in the top 10 in the Wall Street Journal Poll. "...being viewed, on your list, by liberals,..."

Would you respect the opinion of vegetarians re: Mcdonalds? That's my point.

And I notice that you did not care to focus on repression in Wilson's domestic policy.

Ignorance or insouciance?

 

[rightwinger]

But only by the Politburo, apparachik.


Wilson had the distinct advantage of being viewed, on your list, by liberals, and of being a successful wartime President.

You should brush up on Wilson's repression of critics, to the point of jailing and deporting those who disagreed with his policies.


If his infatuation with socialism and communism rates him at the top of your list, then I guess President Obama will be there, too.

Wilson has been out of office for over 90 years. Historians have had more than enough time to evaluate his Presidency. These historians include moderates, conservatives and liberals. He is universally considered a top 10 President and his position has not changed radically over the last 50 years

You will not find him in the top 10 in the Wall Street Journal Poll. "...being viewed, on your list, by liberals,..."

Would you respect the opinion of vegetarians re: Mcdonalds? That's my point.

And I notice that you did not care to focus on repression in Wilson's domestic policy.

Ignorance or insouciance?

Was Wilson repression any different than others in his timeframe? Womens rights and civil rights hadn't kicked in yet.....Can't apply 2009 ideals to 1914

 

[mudwhistle]

But only by the Politburo, apparachik.


Wilson had the distinct advantage of being viewed, on your list, by liberals, and of being a successful wartime President.

You should brush up on Wilson's repression of critics, to the point of jailing and deporting those who disagreed with his policies.


If his infatuation with socialism and communism rates him at the top of your list, then I guess President Obama will be there, too.

Wilson has been out of office for over 90 years. Historians have had more than enough time to evaluate his Presidency. These historians include moderates, conservatives and liberals. He is universally considered a top 10 President and his position has not changed radically over the last 50 years

You will not find him in the top 10 in the Wall Street Journal Poll. "...being viewed, on your list, by liberals,..."

Would you respect the opinion of vegetarians re: Mcdonalds? That's my point.

And I notice that you did not care to focus on repression in Wilson's domestic policy.

Ignorance or insouciance?

Usually one of two approaches are utilized.

One: The ends justifies the means.....

or Two: it never happened in the first place.

It all depends on what mood they're in.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wilson has been out of office for over 90 years. Historians have had more than enough time to evaluate his Presidency. These historians include moderates, conservatives and liberals. He is universally considered a top 10 President and his position has not changed radically over the last 50 years

You will not find him in the top 10 in the Wall Street Journal Poll. "...being viewed, on your list, by liberals,..."

Would you respect the opinion of vegetarians re: Mcdonalds? That's my point.

And I notice that you did not care to focus on repression in Wilson's domestic policy.

Ignorance or insouciance?

Was Wilson repression any different than others in his timeframe? Womens rights and civil rights hadn't kicked in yet.....Can't apply 2009 ideals to 1914

"Was Wilson repression any different than ..."

"The government responded with repression, as journalist Ann Hagedorn chronicles in Savage Peace: Hope and Fear in America. Under the Sedition Act of 1918, people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for saying that they preferred the Kaiser to Wilson; others were jailed for mocking salesmen of Liberty Bonds, which supported the war effort. Most famously, socialist leader Debs was jailed for criticizing conscription."

"Wilson placed George Creel, a journalist, socialist, and strong supporter of child labor laws and women’s suffrage, in charge of ensuring home-front morale through the Committee for Public Information. But the Committee, which Creel described as “the world’s greatest adventure in advertising,” wildly overshot its mark, encouraging the banning of everything German, from Beethoven to sauerkraut to teaching the German language. The Justice Department and the attorney general, Thomas Gregory, encouraged local vigilantism against Germans, giving the American Protective League, a quarter-of-a-million-strong nativist organization, semi-official status to spy on those suspected of disloyalty. The League went out of its way to break up labor strikes as well, while branding its critics Reds."

" Wilson deferred to Gregory’s judgment and refrained from taking action against extremists. Only after the armistice ended the war in November 1918 did Wilson, heeding the advice of incoming attorney general A. Mitchell Palmer, move to end government cooperation with the League. But by now, the disparity between Wilson’s call for extending liberty abroad and the suppression of liberty at home had become a running sore for disenchanted progressives."

"The Red Scare intensified in June 1919, Attorney General Palmer claimed to have a list of 60,000 subversives, engaged in a series of warrantless raids aimed at capturing the mostly immigrant red radicals, some of whom were jailed or shipped back to Russia. With no reproach from Wilson, Palmer trampled on civil liberties and harassed the innocent as well as the likely guilty."

"Jacob Abrams, a Russian Jewish immigrant who worked as a bookbinder, had printed anarchist leaflets in English and Yiddish and dropped them from buildings on New York’s Lower East Side. ...prosecutors saw the leaflets as violations of the Espionage Act, which made it a crime to undermine American wartime policy. Abrams, sentenced to 20 years in jail, would eventually be deported. "

1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009

And, surely you have heard of Prohibition? It was in all the papers.


Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

 

[rightwinger]

Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

I do not accept homework assignments from wingnuts

 

[rightwinger]

You will not find him in the top 10 in the Wall Street Journal Poll. "...being viewed, on your list, by liberals,..."

Would you respect the opinion of vegetarians re: Mcdonalds? That's my point.

And I notice that you did not care to focus on repression in Wilson's domestic policy.

Ignorance or insouciance?

Was Wilson repression any different than others in his timeframe? Womens rights and civil rights hadn't kicked in yet.....Can't apply 2009 ideals to 1914

"Was Wilson repression any different than ..."

"The government responded with repression, as journalist Ann Hagedorn chronicles in Savage Peace: Hope and Fear in America. Under the Sedition Act of 1918, people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for saying that they preferred the Kaiser to Wilson; others were jailed for mocking salesmen of Liberty Bonds, which supported the war effort. Most famously, socialist leader Debs was jailed for criticizing conscription."

"Wilson placed George Creel, a journalist, socialist, and strong supporter of child labor laws and women’s suffrage, in charge of ensuring home-front morale through the Committee for Public Information. But the Committee, which Creel described as “the world’s greatest adventure in advertising,” wildly overshot its mark, encouraging the banning of everything German, from Beethoven to sauerkraut to teaching the German language. The Justice Department and the attorney general, Thomas Gregory, encouraged local vigilantism against Germans, giving the American Protective League, a quarter-of-a-million-strong nativist organization, semi-official status to spy on those suspected of disloyalty. The League went out of its way to break up labor strikes as well, while branding its critics Reds."

" Wilson deferred to Gregory’s judgment and refrained from taking action against extremists. Only after the armistice ended the war in November 1918 did Wilson, heeding the advice of incoming attorney general A. Mitchell Palmer, move to end government cooperation with the League. But by now, the disparity between Wilson’s call for extending liberty abroad and the suppression of liberty at home had become a running sore for disenchanted progressives."

"The Red Scare intensified in June 1919, Attorney General Palmer claimed to have a list of 60,000 subversives, engaged in a series of warrantless raids aimed at capturing the mostly immigrant red radicals, some of whom were jailed or shipped back to Russia. With no reproach from Wilson, Palmer trampled on civil liberties and harassed the innocent as well as the likely guilty."

"Jacob Abrams, a Russian Jewish immigrant who worked as a bookbinder, had printed anarchist leaflets in English and Yiddish and dropped them from buildings on New York’s Lower East Side. ...prosecutors saw the leaflets as violations of the Espionage Act, which made it a crime to undermine American wartime policy. Abrams, sentenced to 20 years in jail, would eventually be deported. "

1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009

And, surely you have heard of Prohibition? It was in all the papers.


Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

 

[mudwhistle]

Was Wilson repression any different than others in his timeframe? Womens rights and civil rights hadn't kicked in yet.....Can't apply 2009 ideals to 1914

"Was Wilson repression any different than ..."

"The government responded with repression, as journalist Ann Hagedorn chronicles in Savage Peace: Hope and Fear in America. Under the Sedition Act of 1918, people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for saying that they preferred the Kaiser to Wilson; others were jailed for mocking salesmen of Liberty Bonds, which supported the war effort. Most famously, socialist leader Debs was jailed for criticizing conscription."

"Wilson placed George Creel, a journalist, socialist, and strong supporter of child labor laws and women’s suffrage, in charge of ensuring home-front morale through the Committee for Public Information. But the Committee, which Creel described as “the world’s greatest adventure in advertising,” wildly overshot its mark, encouraging the banning of everything German, from Beethoven to sauerkraut to teaching the German language. The Justice Department and the attorney general, Thomas Gregory, encouraged local vigilantism against Germans, giving the American Protective League, a quarter-of-a-million-strong nativist organization, semi-official status to spy on those suspected of disloyalty. The League went out of its way to break up labor strikes as well, while branding its critics Reds."

" Wilson deferred to Gregory’s judgment and refrained from taking action against extremists. Only after the armistice ended the war in November 1918 did Wilson, heeding the advice of incoming attorney general A. Mitchell Palmer, move to end government cooperation with the League. But by now, the disparity between Wilson’s call for extending liberty abroad and the suppression of liberty at home had become a running sore for disenchanted progressives."

"The Red Scare intensified in June 1919, Attorney General Palmer claimed to have a list of 60,000 subversives, engaged in a series of warrantless raids aimed at capturing the mostly immigrant red radicals, some of whom were jailed or shipped back to Russia. With no reproach from Wilson, Palmer trampled on civil liberties and harassed the innocent as well as the likely guilty."

"Jacob Abrams, a Russian Jewish immigrant who worked as a bookbinder, had printed anarchist leaflets in English and Yiddish and dropped them from buildings on New York’s Lower East Side. ...prosecutors saw the leaflets as violations of the Espionage Act, which made it a crime to undermine American wartime policy. Abrams, sentenced to 20 years in jail, would eventually be deported. "

1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009

And, surely you have heard of Prohibition? It was in all the papers.


Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

Historians tend to be educated in our Liberal institutions and thus tend to be biased against Conservative Presidents. Historians tend to be liberal elist snobs......

I wouldn't take their word for shit.......pardon my French.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

I do not accept homework assignments from wingnuts

This is an open admission of ignorance, as well as an admission that you haven't read the trilogy, and an indication of the love of learning instilled by government schooling.

Hopefully viewing some of the more erudite submissions on this board will nudge you in the direction of self-improvement.

Do you know what a cliche is?

Wingnuts???

Try to improve your writing, as well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Was Wilson repression any different than others in his timeframe? Womens rights and civil rights hadn't kicked in yet.....Can't apply 2009 ideals to 1914

"Was Wilson repression any different than ..."

"The government responded with repression, as journalist Ann Hagedorn chronicles in Savage Peace: Hope and Fear in America. Under the Sedition Act of 1918, people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for saying that they preferred the Kaiser to Wilson; others were jailed for mocking salesmen of Liberty Bonds, which supported the war effort. Most famously, socialist leader Debs was jailed for criticizing conscription."

"Wilson placed George Creel, a journalist, socialist, and strong supporter of child labor laws and women’s suffrage, in charge of ensuring home-front morale through the Committee for Public Information. But the Committee, which Creel described as “the world’s greatest adventure in advertising,” wildly overshot its mark, encouraging the banning of everything German, from Beethoven to sauerkraut to teaching the German language. The Justice Department and the attorney general, Thomas Gregory, encouraged local vigilantism against Germans, giving the American Protective League, a quarter-of-a-million-strong nativist organization, semi-official status to spy on those suspected of disloyalty. The League went out of its way to break up labor strikes as well, while branding its critics Reds."

" Wilson deferred to Gregory’s judgment and refrained from taking action against extremists. Only after the armistice ended the war in November 1918 did Wilson, heeding the advice of incoming attorney general A. Mitchell Palmer, move to end government cooperation with the League. But by now, the disparity between Wilson’s call for extending liberty abroad and the suppression of liberty at home had become a running sore for disenchanted progressives."

"The Red Scare intensified in June 1919, Attorney General Palmer claimed to have a list of 60,000 subversives, engaged in a series of warrantless raids aimed at capturing the mostly immigrant red radicals, some of whom were jailed or shipped back to Russia. With no reproach from Wilson, Palmer trampled on civil liberties and harassed the innocent as well as the likely guilty."

"Jacob Abrams, a Russian Jewish immigrant who worked as a bookbinder, had printed anarchist leaflets in English and Yiddish and dropped them from buildings on New York’s Lower East Side. ...prosecutors saw the leaflets as violations of the Espionage Act, which made it a crime to undermine American wartime policy. Abrams, sentenced to 20 years in jail, would eventually be deported. "

1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009

And, surely you have heard of Prohibition? It was in all the papers.


Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.

An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).

Revise means to change or modify.

Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.

Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.

 

[mudwhistle]

"Was Wilson repression any different than ..."

"The government responded with repression, as journalist Ann Hagedorn chronicles in Savage Peace: Hope and Fear in America. Under the Sedition Act of 1918, people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for saying that they preferred the Kaiser to Wilson; others were jailed for mocking salesmen of Liberty Bonds, which supported the war effort. Most famously, socialist leader Debs was jailed for criticizing conscription."

"Wilson placed George Creel, a journalist, socialist, and strong supporter of child labor laws and women’s suffrage, in charge of ensuring home-front morale through the Committee for Public Information. But the Committee, which Creel described as “the world’s greatest adventure in advertising,” wildly overshot its mark, encouraging the banning of everything German, from Beethoven to sauerkraut to teaching the German language. The Justice Department and the attorney general, Thomas Gregory, encouraged local vigilantism against Germans, giving the American Protective League, a quarter-of-a-million-strong nativist organization, semi-official status to spy on those suspected of disloyalty. The League went out of its way to break up labor strikes as well, while branding its critics Reds."

" Wilson deferred to Gregory’s judgment and refrained from taking action against extremists. Only after the armistice ended the war in November 1918 did Wilson, heeding the advice of incoming attorney general A. Mitchell Palmer, move to end government cooperation with the League. But by now, the disparity between Wilson’s call for extending liberty abroad and the suppression of liberty at home had become a running sore for disenchanted progressives."

"The Red Scare intensified in June 1919, Attorney General Palmer claimed to have a list of 60,000 subversives, engaged in a series of warrantless raids aimed at capturing the mostly immigrant red radicals, some of whom were jailed or shipped back to Russia. With no reproach from Wilson, Palmer trampled on civil liberties and harassed the innocent as well as the likely guilty."

"Jacob Abrams, a Russian Jewish immigrant who worked as a bookbinder, had printed anarchist leaflets in English and Yiddish and dropped them from buildings on New York’s Lower East Side. ...prosecutors saw the leaflets as violations of the Espionage Act, which made it a crime to undermine American wartime policy. Abrams, sentenced to 20 years in jail, would eventually be deported. "

1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009

And, surely you have heard of Prohibition? It was in all the papers.


Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.

An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).

Revise means to change or modify.

Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.

Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.

Might as well ask him to remove his left nut......

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.

An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).

Revise means to change or modify.

Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.

Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.

Might as well ask him to remove his left nut......

Actually, I do draw the line.....

 

[rightwinger]

"Was Wilson repression any different than ..."

"The government responded with repression, as journalist Ann Hagedorn chronicles in Savage Peace: Hope and Fear in America. Under the Sedition Act of 1918, people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for saying that they preferred the Kaiser to Wilson; others were jailed for mocking salesmen of Liberty Bonds, which supported the war effort. Most famously, socialist leader Debs was jailed for criticizing conscription."

"Wilson placed George Creel, a journalist, socialist, and strong supporter of child labor laws and women’s suffrage, in charge of ensuring home-front morale through the Committee for Public Information. But the Committee, which Creel described as “the world’s greatest adventure in advertising,” wildly overshot its mark, encouraging the banning of everything German, from Beethoven to sauerkraut to teaching the German language. The Justice Department and the attorney general, Thomas Gregory, encouraged local vigilantism against Germans, giving the American Protective League, a quarter-of-a-million-strong nativist organization, semi-official status to spy on those suspected of disloyalty. The League went out of its way to break up labor strikes as well, while branding its critics Reds."

" Wilson deferred to Gregory’s judgment and refrained from taking action against extremists. Only after the armistice ended the war in November 1918 did Wilson, heeding the advice of incoming attorney general A. Mitchell Palmer, move to end government cooperation with the League. But by now, the disparity between Wilson’s call for extending liberty abroad and the suppression of liberty at home had become a running sore for disenchanted progressives."

"The Red Scare intensified in June 1919, Attorney General Palmer claimed to have a list of 60,000 subversives, engaged in a series of warrantless raids aimed at capturing the mostly immigrant red radicals, some of whom were jailed or shipped back to Russia. With no reproach from Wilson, Palmer trampled on civil liberties and harassed the innocent as well as the likely guilty."

"Jacob Abrams, a Russian Jewish immigrant who worked as a bookbinder, had printed anarchist leaflets in English and Yiddish and dropped them from buildings on New York’s Lower East Side. ...prosecutors saw the leaflets as violations of the Espionage Act, which made it a crime to undermine American wartime policy. Abrams, sentenced to 20 years in jail, would eventually be deported. "

1919: Betrayal and the Birth of Modern Liberalism by Fred Siegel, City Journal 22 November 2009

And, surely you have heard of Prohibition? It was in all the papers.


Would I be correct in assuming that you have not read Dos Passos' triogy, "USA,"?

You would be well advised to do so.

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.

An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).

Revise means to change or modify.

Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.

Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.

Oh boy! We got ourselves a pissing contest! This ignorant slut can't discuss facts so she starts with the namecalling. Why don't you go back to your Glory Hole? Your customers must be missing you by now.

Are done with the pissing contest yet?

You revise history by applying 21st century values to evalutate an early 20th century Presidents. Yes women were treated like shit, yes blacks did not have civil rights, yes labor was abused. Wilson was no different than any other leader of his era in how he responded on these issues.
Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failure shows your innate ignorance of history. Yes you read a stupid book showing Wilson to be a prick. You also ignore the historical record which ranks Wilson as one of our top Presidents. Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failed President shows your ignorance.

Ready to start the pissing contest again?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wilson was a product of his times. No worse than his contemporaries. In spite of your revisionist history, Wilson was well respected and remains one of our better Presidents. Most historians rate him better than Ron Reagan

I feel like I'm dealing with a grade-schooler.

An indication of intellect and/or education is the use of words or phrases whose meaning one is unfamiliar with (sorry to end the sentence with a preposition).

Revise means to change or modify.

Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.

Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.

Oh boy! We got ourselves a pissing contest! This ignorant slut can't discuss facts so she starts with the namecalling. Why don't you go back to your Glory Hole? Your customers must be missing you by now.

Are done with the pissing contest yet?

You revise history by applying 21st century values to evalutate an early 20th century Presidents. Yes women were treated like shit, yes blacks did not have civil rights, yes labor was abused. Wilson was no different than any other leader of his era in how he responded on these issues.
Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failure shows your innate ignorance of history. Yes you read a stupid book showing Wilson to be a prick. You also ignore the historical record which ranks Wilson as one of our top Presidents. Your attempt to paint Wilson as a failed President shows your ignorance.

Ready to start the pissing contest again?

Since I have merely correctly expressed history, not changed it, you sound like a fool.

Either apologize, or show where I have 'revised' history.