The Right To Bear Arms

[turtledude]

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Do you even read your own posts?

You asked for a GOP sponsored "restriction". I bolded it for you.

The bill was brought up by a Republican and signed into law by a Republican President.

Where did you study law?

Did they teach you anything about civics?

Or how to read?

You moron-the FOPA was a pro gun piece of legislation

A democrat named HUGHES tried to derail it by putting a machine gun ban in it

Reagan signed it on the grounds that it was mainly pro gun and the poison amendment would be stripped out

So stop LYING

DEMOCRATS WERE THE ONES WHO ATTACHED THAT ANTI GUN NONSENSE

Recorded Vote 74 was the Hughes Amendment that called for the banning of machine guns. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), at the time presiding as Chairman over the proceedings, claimed that the "amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended, was agreed to." However, after the voice vote on the Hughes Amendment, Rangel ignored a plea to take a recorded vote and moved on to Recorded Vote 74 where the Hughes Amendment failed.[9][10] The bill, H.R. 4332, as a whole passed in Record Vote No: 75 on a motion to recommit. Despite the controversial amendment, the Senate, in S.B. 49, adopted H.R. 4332 as an amendment to the final bill. The bill was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan to become Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act.


So you are lying-again

 

[BreezeWood]

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all public firearms to be bolt or lever action per round, six rounds or less capacity.

Of course, because everyone knows that it takes a lot of bullets to kill someone and no one can kill anyone else with one bullet. Just as no one is ever killed with a bolt action or lever action rifle.

I honestly believe that some of you on the Left can't be trusted to vote.

everything in moderation, firearms are lethal weapons.

a pump shotgun six round capacity will protect anyone in their home - a WWII, 8 millimeter bolt action, six round capacity rifle will keep them at a distance.

owning a weapon is a responsibility for both its handler and to those present around it.

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[Sallow]

Ronald Reagan was a Democrat?

Yes.
Who doesn't know that?

You don't.
As governor of California he ran as a Republican.
Things you learn..eh?

I laugh at you.

Originally, he was a member of the Democratic Party, but due to the parties' shifting platforms during the 1950s, he switched to the Republican Party in 1962.[1]

Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Was Reagan a Democrat? The only sound answer is "yes".

Glad I could help you with your ignorance.

You are engaging in the time honored "gotcha" game, which here? Is silly. It also shows the depth of your intellect.

Says she who didn't know that RWR was a Democrat and thought she had me when she triumphantly noted that he was elected in 1968 as a Republican.

I continue to laugh at you.

Laugh?

You don't even seem to know I am a 53 year old man. I've posted my picture many times.

Of course I knew that Ronnie (The rapist) Reagan was a Democrat for a short time.

I also know he raped a young actress named Selene Walthers and has a gay son (Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it? )

He's also supported Osama Bin Laden and gave money to the contras who raped, mutilated and murdered 3 American nuns.

Let's not even go into what he did to the American economy.

So I guess we can agree he was a despicable human being and one of the worst Presidents this country ever had to endure.

You know..because he was a Democrat.

We agree on the fact he was a terrible man, right?

 

[turtledude]

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all public firearms to be bolt or lever action per round, six rounds or less capacity.

Of course, because everyone knows that it takes a lot of bullets to kill someone and no one can kill anyone else with one bullet. Just as no one is ever killed with a bolt action or lever action rifle.

I honestly believe that some of you on the Left can't be trusted to vote.

everything in moderation, firearms are lethal weapons.

a pump shotgun six round capacity will protect anyone in their home - a WWII, 8 millimeter bolt action, six round capacity rifle will keep them at a distance.

owning a weapon is a responsibility for both its handler and to those present around it.

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you should decide what works for you and not tell others what they should use.

many people cannot operate a pump shotgun due to physical ailments

my late father was the national HS skeet champion with an Ithaca 37 but after four shoulder and neck operations in his 60s, I bought him a benelli MI auto shotgun for home protection because he couldn't operate the 37 pump action

no one has ever lost a gun fight because they had too many rounds in their weapon

 

[turtledude]

Laugh?

You don't even seem to know I am a 53 year old man. I've posted my picture many times.

Of course I knew that Ronnie (The rapist) Reagan was a Democrat for a short time.

I also know he raped a young actress named Selene Walthers and has a gay son (Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it? )

He's also supported Osama Bin Laden and gave money to the contras who raped, mutilated and murdered 3 American nuns.

Let's not even go into what he did to the American economy.

So I guess we can agree he was a despicable human being and one of the worst Presidents this country ever had to endure.

You know..because he was a Democrat.

We agree on the fact he was a terrible man, right?

gun control tends to be a feminist craving and men who support gun control are either power hungry assholes (Biden for example) or more likely, castrated males. So if you are a 53 year old male, you either are worried about doing something that would get you shot by an honest citizen or you are essentially a Eunuch who is projecting your cowardice and timidity onto others

 

[BreezeWood]

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all public firearms to be bolt or lever action per round, six rounds or less capacity.

Of course, because everyone knows that it takes a lot of bullets to kill someone and no one can kill anyone else with one bullet. Just as no one is ever killed with a bolt action or lever action rifle.

I honestly believe that some of you on the Left can't be trusted to vote.

everything in moderation, firearms are lethal weapons.

a pump shotgun six round capacity will protect anyone in their home - a WWII, 8 millimeter bolt action, six round capacity rifle will keep them at a distance.

owning a weapon is a responsibility for both its handler and to those present around it.

.

you should decide what works for you and not tell others what they should use.

many people cannot operate a pump shotgun due to physical ailments

my late father was the national HS skeet champion with an Ithaca 37 but after four shoulder and neck operations in his 60s, I bought him a benelli MI auto shotgun for home protection because he couldn't operate the 37 pump action

no one has ever lost a gun fight because they had too many rounds in their weapon

you should decide what works for you and not tell others what they should use.


firearms are weapons of violence not confined to their handlers, the community as a whole has a right to regulate them.

you obviously do not know about firearms to think six round capacity is not sufficient for personal protection and / or readily reloaded.

your father and others could be issued selective permits pertaining to disabilities.

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[Ernie S.]

FACT: The wording of the 2nd Amendment is confusing!

What exactly is "confusing" about THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

That is about as clear as it gets.

Sure is.

And the people bearing arms have an obligation to defend the state while serving in a militia. Said militia is under the control of congress and under the command of the President.

Go forth and defend.

I will when Congress calls me to service, just like I did 46 years ago.

 

[Sallow]

Laugh?

You don't even seem to know I am a 53 year old man. I've posted my picture many times.

Of course I knew that Ronnie (The rapist) Reagan was a Democrat for a short time.

I also know he raped a young actress named Selene Walthers and has a gay son (Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, does it? )

He's also supported Osama Bin Laden and gave money to the contras who raped, mutilated and murdered 3 American nuns.

Let's not even go into what he did to the American economy.

So I guess we can agree he was a despicable human being and one of the worst Presidents this country ever had to endure.

You know..because he was a Democrat.

We agree on the fact he was a terrible man, right?

gun control tends to be a feminist craving and men who support gun control are either power hungry assholes (Biden for example) or more likely, castrated males. So if you are a 53 year old male, you either are worried about doing something that would get you shot by an honest citizen or you are essentially a Eunuch who is projecting your cowardice and timidity onto others

Naw. Never needed anything more than my dukes for self defense. I have been accused of being a bully. But? I don't give a fuck..ya know?

And your dime store psychology act is just about as good as your lawyer act.

You are a failure at both.

Keep it coming.

This is getting good.

 

[turtledude]

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all public firearms to be bolt or lever action per round, six rounds or less capacity.

Of course, because everyone knows that it takes a lot of bullets to kill someone and no one can kill anyone else with one bullet. Just as no one is ever killed with a bolt action or lever action rifle.

I honestly believe that some of you on the Left can't be trusted to vote.

everything in moderation, firearms are lethal weapons.

a pump shotgun six round capacity will protect anyone in their home - a WWII, 8 millimeter bolt action, six round capacity rifle will keep them at a distance.

owning a weapon is a responsibility for both its handler and to those present around it.

.

you should decide what works for you and not tell others what they should use.

many people cannot operate a pump shotgun due to physical ailments

my late father was the national HS skeet champion with an Ithaca 37 but after four shoulder and neck operations in his 60s, I bought him a benelli MI auto shotgun for home protection because he couldn't operate the 37 pump action

no one has ever lost a gun fight because they had too many rounds in their weapon

you should decide what works for you and not tell others what they should use.


firearms are weapons of violence not confined to their handlers, the community as a whole has a right to regulate them.

you obviously do not know about firearms to think six round capacity is not sufficient for personal protection and / or readily reloaded.

your father and others could be issued selective permits pertaining to disabilities.

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I live in a state where I don't need to worry about morons telling me what sort of weapons I need. I also spent 24 years as a federal law enforcement officer and the standard issued handgun was a Glock 17 (US Marshals Service) or a Glock 22 (FBI) or a SIG 229 and all of those hold FAR MORE THAN 6 rounds.

so you claiming 6 rounds is sufficient when every major police department and every major federal CIVILIAN LE agency says far more shows you are just a fool when it comes to this subject and experts like me need not listen to your complete and utter bullshit

 

[turtledude]

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Naw. Never needed anything more than my dukes for self defense. I have been accused of being a bully. But? I don't give a fuck..ya know?

And your dime store psychology act is just about as good as your lawyer act.

You are a failure at both.

Keep it coming.

This is getting good.

Don't go away mad tinker belle. You are just stupid and out of your league here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Everyone is in the militia.

Not everyone. Women are not automatically in the militia. The President isn't in the militia and some others. Also those under or over the age aren't automatically in the militia either.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Your Second Amendment rights are not unlimited — never have been and never will be – Applesauce - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star

I love it when a libtard tries to prove his anti American point by trying to use the constitution and fails.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

Yes. However it's the right to bear arms, the right to be in the militia, that causes all the problems.

The founding fathers were quite clear on that one.

Really. Citations, please.[/QUOTE]

Amendment II House of Representatives Amendments to the Constitution

 

[whitehall]

By Peter Weber

That's the opinion of Rupert Murdoch's conservative New York Post. And it's not as far-fetched as it may seem.

Well, let's read the text of the Second Amendment, says Jeffrey Sachs at The Huffington Post:

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.​

It's astonishingly clear that "the Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago," and "its purpose is long past."

As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.​

"Fair-minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous," says Cass Sunstein at Bloomberg View. Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, was laying out his interpretation of a "genuinely difficult" legal question, and "I am not saying that the court was wrong." More to the point: Right or wrong, obsolete or relevant, the Second Amendment essentially means what five justices on the Supreme Court say it means. So "we should respect the fact that the individual right to have guns has been established," but even the pro-gun interpretation laid out by Scalia explicitly allows for banning the kinds of weapons the shooter used to murder 20 first-graders. The real problem is in the political arena, where "opponents of gun control, armed with both organization and money, have been invoking the Second Amendment far more recklessly," using "wild and unsupportable claims about the meaning of the Constitution" to shut down debate on what sort of regulations might save lives.

More: Is the Second Amendment obsolete? - The Week

Doesn't it scare rational Americans when the radical left declares one of the Bill of Rights to be a "relic" and "it's purpose long passed"? What about the rest of the Constitution?

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is no sound argument for this restriction, and any such restriction will violate the constitution.
Conclusion: Fail.

Actually you're wrong.

The 2A prevents the US govt from doing something. What?

It prevents the US govt stopping individuals from owning arms. Ie, if an individual has a gun, they are armed, therefore the govt isn't stopping them from being armed.

Heller made the point:

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

So here they make a few related points. First that the right is not unlimited. Second that certain people can be denied this right (what does "shall not be infringed" mean when it can be infringed?) and lastly that common weapons are protected and not "dangerous" or unusual weapons.

But really the 2A means the US govt has to allow weapons to be sold, but it doesn't mean it has to allow ALL weapons to be sold. It isn't prevented by the 2A from stopping certain companies selling weapons, it isn't prevented by the 2A from stopping certain types of weapons.

It has to allow enough of a market for weapons to be affordable, ie that prices don't get silly, but other than this the 2A doesn't do that much.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I love it when a libtard tries to prove his anti American point by trying to use the constitution and fails.

Don't you love it when people make posts which contain insults, and then pretend anything left wing is anti-American? Jeez.

 

[turtledude]

There is no sound argument for this restriction, and any such restriction will violate the constitution.
Conclusion: Fail.

Actually you're wrong.

The 2A prevents the US govt from doing something. What?

It prevents the US govt stopping individuals from owning arms. Ie, if an individual has a gun, they are armed, therefore the govt isn't stopping them from being armed.

Heller made the point:

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

So here they make a few related points. First that the right is not unlimited. Second that certain people can be denied this right (what does "shall not be infringed" mean when it can be infringed?) and lastly that common weapons are protected and not "dangerous" or unusual weapons.

But really the 2A means the US govt has to allow weapons to be sold, but it doesn't mean it has to allow ALL weapons to be sold. It isn't prevented by the 2A from stopping certain companies selling weapons, it isn't prevented by the 2A from stopping certain types of weapons.

It has to allow enough of a market for weapons to be affordable, ie that prices don't get silly, but other than this the 2A doesn't do that much.

I realize you do not have a law license, a law degree or training in constitutional law but do you know what DICTA means?

 

[Sallow]

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Naw. Never needed anything more than my dukes for self defense. I have been accused of being a bully. But? I don't give a fuck..ya know?

And your dime store psychology act is just about as good as your lawyer act.

You are a failure at both.

Keep it coming.

This is getting good.

Don't go away mad tinker belle. You are just stupid and out of your league here.

Must feel nice to sit behind a screen, anonymous calling folks names..don't it?

The mark of a true tough guy.

Back in the day, when I drove a truck and was a mover, we did a job for a guy who was an actual lawyer. He was pretty much a schmuck. My boss did something for him called a "flat rate" and I found out later why he did it. Anyways, we get the place and he's living in a nice swank Manhattan apartment with lots of nice stuff. He had a lot of the metal and glass furniture pieces, real tough to move. The guy was pretty fussy about it too. And he wanted everything done for him. Packing, wrapping..he was completely unprepared. Well it was just me and a helper and it was tough going, but we got everything done. Then he goes, he wanted a ride. I was like, we generally don't let customers ride with us and then he let us know he was a personal friend of the boss. Which made sense, since he got a flat rate. Well he's getting ready to go and hands me his brief case. While waiting for the schmuck I checked inside it and found his gun.

Once the way to his house in Long Island, he says, "I handle your boss's books and know you guys are making money under the table, give me a hundred bucks a piece and I will forget all about it". To which I said, "Joel (That was his name), I am a mover and I ain't got anything. You? You got a beamer, right? Would be a shame if one day that beamer went up in flames". Then he starts looking around and goes, "Where's my brief case?" I said, "It's under my seat". We sat quiet for awhile and then he says, "You know I was kidding about the hundred bucks, right?" I said, "I wasn't kidding Joel. And at the end of this job? You are going to hand us a hundred bucks each. Oh, I found your gun. You get it back after that".

When we got to his place in Long Island, it was a real sweet place. On the way to the door he goes, "My wife is begging for me to come back" and he swaggered to the door bell. She opens up the door and man, she was a beauty. She looks like Barbra Bach (That may be to old a reference for ya). She goes, "Joel, I made your movers some coffee, get it for them". The swagger was gone and he was obedient.

We moved everything in pretty quickly and were basically done. In one finally act of trying to assert himself Joel starts making us move this glass top table around. After three times I said, "Joel, we are done. Time to pay the bill". Before he could say anything his wife says, "Oh, he'll get it and be glad to do it or he's out again". Joel turned pale. I gave him the bill and he paid it without tipping. And I let him know he forgot about it.

His wife says, "How much did he promise you?" I told her and she said, "Give them 150, each".

After that, I gave him back his briefcase.

That was pretty sweet.

Is that you? Joel?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Why is Lakhota opposed to me showing off my guns?

 

[turtledude]

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Naw. Never needed anything more than my dukes for self defense. I have been accused of being a bully. But? I don't give a fuck..ya know?

And your dime store psychology act is just about as good as your lawyer act.

You are a failure at both.

Keep it coming.

This is getting good.

Don't go away mad tinker belle. You are just stupid and out of your league here.

Must feel nice to sit behind a screen, anonymous calling folks names..don't it?

The mark of a true tough guy.

Back in the day, when I drove a truck and was a mover, we did a job for a guy who was an actual lawyer. He was pretty much a schmuck. My boss did something for him called a "flat rate" and I found out later why he did it. Anyways, we get the place and he's living in a nice swank Manhattan apartment with lots of nice stuff. He had a lot of the metal and glass furniture pieces, real tough to move. The guy was pretty fussy about it too. And he wanted everything done for him. Packing, wrapping..he was completely unprepared. Well it was just me and a helper and it was tough going, but we got everything done. Then he goes, he wanted a ride. I was like, we generally don't let customers ride with us and then he let us know he was a personal friend of the boss. Which made sense, since he got a flat rate. Well he's getting ready to go and hands me his brief case. While waiting for the schmuck I checked inside it and found his gun.

Once the way to his house in Long Island, he says, "I handle your boss's books and know you guys are making money under the table, give me a hundred bucks a piece and I will forget all about it". To which I said, "Joel (That was his name), I am a mover and I ain't got anything. You? You got a beamer, right? Would be a shame if one day that beamer went up in flames". Then he starts looking around and goes, "Where's my brief case?" I said, "It's under my seat". We sat quiet for awhile and then he says, "You know I was kidding about the hundred bucks, right?" I said, "I wasn't kidding Joel. And at the end of this job? You are going to hand us a hundred bucks each. Oh, I found your gun. You get it back after that".

When we got to his place in Long Island, it was a real sweet place. On the way to the door he goes, "My wife is begging for me to come back" and he swaggered to the door bell. She opens up the door and man, she was a beauty. She looks like Barbra Bach (That may be to old a reference for ya). She goes, "Joel, I made your movers some coffee, get it for them". The swagger was gone and he was obedient.

We moved everything in pretty quickly and were basically done. In one finally act of trying to assert himself Joel starts making us move this glass top table around. After three times I said, "Joel, we are done. Time to pay the bill". Before he could say anything his wife says, "Oh, he'll get it and be glad to do it or he's out again". Joel turned pale. I gave him the bill and he paid it without tipping. And I let him know he forgot about it.

His wife says, "How much did he promise you?" I told her and she said, "Give them 150, each".

After that, I gave him back his briefcase.

That was pretty sweet.

Is that you? Joel?

interesting imagination you have

my name isn't Joe
people call me Guido