The Right To Bear Arms

[Cecilie1200]

The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.

The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.

That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

I have lots of Freedom. I can see you never visited Spain in the 60s and 70s like I did. I can see you never visited East Berlin in the 80s like I did. I can see you never visited....... pick many countries. Some of the bad ones even called their Governments Democracies. If you are absolutely sure that the US is not a free country, I suggest you denounce your citizenship and move to one that is. Good friggin luck finding one more free than America.

America happens to be the best of the worst, We don’t have any real freedom here. Obviously you don’t know what real freedom is...

Oh please. What do you want to do that the government is preventing you from doing? Nothing. Stop being a drama queen.

I want to do a lot of things that the government won't allow. For instance, I'd love to slap every leftist I meet until his eyes switch sockets, but for some reason, this is illegal.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I am 70 years old, I have never misused a firearm . I have never invaded my neighbors' rights. Th police has been designated to investigate and protect. I fail to see the reason the powers-that-be refuse to abolish the GUN FREE ZONES statute given the fact that the criminally insane have shown a predilection for our schools..

So you're just completely ignoring the conversation we were having about responsibility. Just because you haven't misused a firearm (according to a standard you just made up on the spot) yet, doesn't mean you won't eventually, or that your gun won't get stolen and then trafficked to criminals.

The point I'm making is that you can't call yourself a "responsible" anything because you can't predict what will happen down the line.

It is a fact that your gun is more likely to be stolen and used in a crime, than it will ever be used to protect you or your family.

So just by virtue of the fact of owning a gun, you're an irresponsible person. You can never prove you're a "responsible gun owner" because that means nothing.

OK Mr Twerp, you are just another fucked up gun grabber.


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And you're just another rightwing liar, the post said about "grabbing guns."

Yo Jones...nobody takes you serious. You're unable to defend any premise you've ever posted. Loser

Literally the only reason I don't have him on ignore is that he's not worth the effort it would take to click on it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

really? gun deaths have declined over the years despite millions upon millions more guns in circulation and millions of people carrying guns legally. So you are either ignorant of the fact or lying. Most gun deaths are SUICIDES. the remaining number that are not justifiable or excusable shootings are homicides mainly and those are caused at rates of 80-90% by people who are not legally able to own or use guns

so stuff the silly dramatics. Gun violence in tis country-especially outside urban areas full of drug gangs is minuscule

USA is the worst country in terms of gu related dearhs/mass shootings. So there is clearly a gun problem. Why do you need a gun ? Insecure? Or ready to kill when you are pissed at the world?

what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.

I support your right to blather stupidity. I am a libertarian-I support all constitutional rights-especially the ones set forth in the constitution

I also support the consitutional right for our children to be safe under the 1st amendment. Not happening with you and your cronies interpretation of the 2nd.

What in the holy everloving fuck are you babbling about? Safe under the First Amendment? Our "interpretation of the 2nd" is interfering with the 1st? What?!

 

[Cecilie1200]

WRong answer once again. Part of it is a culture. The Weapon I am specifically referring to is very much part of a culture. Now, name that Weapon. Go ahead and be very specific.

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Start trying to ban everything else.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

No....dipshit...it isn't a cult weapon......it is an easy to use rifle, that allows for customization....and it is very easy for women and small framed humans to use it for self defense, competition, hunting and collecting....

There are 8 million of them in private hands....

And how does anything you propose stop any criminal or mass shooter....dipshit? This shooter and all the others would pay your 200 dollars, register their guns and then go and shoot people....moron.

Nothing you or the other anti gunners propose would stop a criminal or a mass shooter...and that is the point.....you guys want to baby step the restrictions on guns and the fees, and the taxes.....and the paperwork so that normal, law abiding people are too afraid to own legal guns...for fear of failing some step of the process that will lead to a felony conviction for a paperwork mistake....

Meanwhile, criminals don't care....

By the way, genius......felons do not have to register their illegal guns...the Supreme Court, in Haynes v. United States ruled that forcing criminals to register their illegal guns violates their 5th Amendment Rights against self incrimination......so if it violates their Rights, it violates my Rights.....doofus.

Actually, you brought up a couple of good point amongst the crap you spew. You left out a few things.

The AR is no longer under Copyright. Even you can get a license to manufacture, sell and distribute them. About 3 percent of the population have used the M-16 and feel comfortable using the AR. Yes, it's versitile but it's till made for one reason and one reason only. To kill people. If you bought one to put food on the table then you really should have bought a few sides of beef and installed a root cellar instead. Other rifles do a much better job at getting the groceries.

You can currently buy an AR for less than 400 bucks. Okay, it's pretty basic and you had best not fire the MIl Grad Ammo. But it works just fine with the stock 223 loads. It's not nearly as pretty. But for less than 400 bucks, exactly what do you expect?

For Varmints, the AR isn't in my picture. I prefer the Remington model 700 VSSF II chambered for the 223 with a 50 grain bullet. Okay, it costs twice as much but it can nail anything from a rabbit to coyote at up to about 400 yds. But I would prefer it in 243 or 6mm. It's as accurate out to 400 yds as the 223 but has a much higher hitting power at 90 grains. If you try and go past 50 grains in a 223, you start losing accuracy and range. But a Savage costing less than 400 bucks in 223 or 243 also does a great job, it just won't be a Purty.

So, the only major thing an AR can do is kill people better. It doesn't make the list of the top 5 varmint rifles on any list done by reputable testers. So why would you buy an AR to go varmint shooting when the Remington on the high end and the Savage on the low end does a better job?

BTW, I shoot a Mauser Shavetail 22 long rifle for Ground Hogs. Now, that's a sport. I stopped shooting it when I found out just how rare a bird it really is.

That is your opinion, up here in the wide open northern plains, An AR has no equal for the hunting I do up here. Mule deer and under, the accessorizing and customizations are truly unlimited. ARs are extremely affordable for new people to get into the sport, and out of the box $500 ar can easily shoot 1” MOA at a 100... providing the shooter is up to it.
Shit for brains, ARs are available in multiple cartridges, such as .300, 6.8 spc, 6.5 creedmoor, etc. and they are every bit as good if not better than a bolt gun for hunting.
AR15s are not made for killing people, they are just sporting rifles.

Get over yourself ya old coot... lol

This old coot has the background to know the difference. What I can see is that your little bunch has shouted down and bullied until the other person stops posting. You can give that one up. I am fully retired as of last week. I have the time. If you doubt my predictions, in the Military area here, I made certain predictions and ALL have come true. If I weren't pretty sure that the AR is going to be raised one level on the firearms category I wouldn't have made that prediction. It's an election year so look for some changes real fast at the Federal Level if the Congress Critter try and go against this.

ARs are no different than any other sporting rifle, your Prejudices is childish

But they look so scawy!! And . . . and . . . when he gets near one, he can hear it whispering to him!

 

[Cecilie1200]

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

 

[Rustic]

The thing is, I am self-employed have been for 20+ years I’ve been debt free for about the same time. I have never purchased insurance, I homeschool my kids, I hunt and grow my own food, but I also realize I have no real freedom in this country, And my kids are going to live in an Orwellian state most likely.

Yeah, I don't believe any of that shit you say about yourself.

And if you actually, really hunt for food, why can't you use a crossbow or a regular bow? Not man enough, I guess. Alexander the Great killed bears, lions, and elephants in a skirt and sandals, with a spear. So if he could do it, why can't you kill a deer with a bow and arrow? Because you're not half the hunter you pretend to be.

That’s why I am a one issue voter, I can do nothing to change the direction of this country. It has been lost for over a century… The cancer of socialism has won.

So wait...you say socialism won, yet in the sentence prior, you talk of living your rugged individualist life. So which is it? Is the government oppressive or isn't it? Doesn't sound like it since you get to live your shitty life the way you want. Like I said before, you just want to call black people the n-word and not face criticism for it. Be honest.

The funny thing is progressive put all their chips into socialism, socialism is a 100% failure 100% of the time long term in the history of the planet. LOL

Socialism seems to work just fine for Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, South Korea, Israel, and tons of other countries. What you don't see working well is capitalism. Capitalism is unable to provide an adequate standard of living for the working class.

The US isn't capitalist for Government. It's gotten to the point where it's so corrupt that you can't really tell what it is anymore. For instance, the no new gun laws. You will note that the leading Republicans that keep spewing the NRA boilerplate have all received millions from the NRA. Corporations can't directly give that kind of money to our Politicians. They can only give 2500 bucks a year. So they give it to the NRA who has the ability to donate those funds to various Super PACS to be earmarked for those particular Politicians. And it's all done anonymously. The problem here is, we need to see who donated what. Until that happens, our Politicians will deny, deny and deflect because we can't prove otherwise. And this goes to all Politicians, not just the right or the left.

What happens when each and every ad has to say who actually donated to it. And every Bill that is presented has to say exactly who wrote it and financially donated to make it happen. As long as Corporations are considered People, we need to treat them exactly like they do me and you. This would make the really corrupt ones run from the building because we would see just how corrupt they really are.

Fuck face, You have no clue what you’re talking about… LOL
Don't blame the NRA for failed gun control efforts

 

[Daryl Hunt]

and 86% of them are reported stolen.

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT 100%?

So much for the narrative of "responsible gun owners"...they report a gun is stolen less than 9 out of 10 times. That's fucking pathetic. You can sure as shit bet 100% of car thefts are reported.

Now, why would a "responsible gun owner" not report their gun as stolen!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What could be the only reason?

This problem does not affect all states equally. The rate and volume of guns stolen from both gun stores and private collections vary widely from state to state. From 2012 through 2015, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of gun theft from private owners—Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, and Alabama—was 13 times higher than the average rate of the five states with the lowest rates—Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts.6 Similarly, from 2012 through 2016, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of guns stolen from gun stores was 18 times higher than the average rate the five states with the lowest rates.7

Yes! So thanks for proving my point...states with shitty gun laws see more gun thefts than states with good gun laws. So again, it's the "responsible gun owners" who are to blame. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that guns are trafficked to cities and blue states via "iron pipelines". A practice that could be all but eliminated by requiring all gun transactions and transfers require a background check.

gun thefts are not equally distributed among the states and gee high crime areas have more gun thefts. Imagine that.

The states you listed in your cut and paste that had the highest rates of gun theft are all pro-gun, red states. So the guns get stolen from "responsible gun owners" in those states and then trafficked into the other states with stricter gun laws. That's exactly what the "iron pipeline" is.

Millions of people own guns and never have one stolen

As of now. But they can't pretend it will never happen because it happens 234,000 times a year, on average.

you really like to ask stupid questions.

How the fuck do I know why someone wouldn't report a gun or anything else stolen?

How to go AR Shopping.

1. Steal a Ford F-350 and a full sized Van
2. Wait until very early morning
3. Crash it into the front of the store
4. Back the Ford outside
5. Begin transfer all the ARs into the Van
6. Transfer the 223 and 556 ammo to the Van
7. Drive the Van to your own Van and transfer the Weapons and Ammo to it
8. Drive the Ford F-350 and the stolen van to an out of the way location
9. pour gas all over and inside both the stolen Van and the F-350 and light it.
10. Drive your van to a Public Storage facility and unload all the weapons.

Done.

The Mass Shooters don't do this. But if you go into the various "Militias" you may find those weapons. You can't use this to justify that only Criminals obtain Guns illegally. One can mail order an AR and all kinds of little toys to go with it online and lie out my ass and obtain a gun. You know, the part where it says, "Are you a Convicted Felon" if I were a convicted felon. I can do the same thing at a Gun Show as long as my fake ID looks real. Or I can go to any legal Gun Shop and give the real info and purchase that as well.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

Yes, it does take away rights. Of the ones that cannot get a Class 4 or Class D firearms license and don't have the 200 bucks to pay for it. And I can get one of those just by applying. So can any Citizen of the US that can purchase weapons at any gun store. Now, cupcake, what rights would I have taken from your or me?

Sorry, don't come back with the Usual NRA boilerplate answer. Use your own brain.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The thing is, I am self-employed have been for 20+ years I’ve been debt free for about the same time. I have never purchased insurance, I homeschool my kids, I hunt and grow my own food, but I also realize I have no real freedom in this country, And my kids are going to live in an Orwellian state most likely.

Yeah, I don't believe any of that shit you say about yourself.

And if you actually, really hunt for food, why can't you use a crossbow or a regular bow? Not man enough, I guess. Alexander the Great killed bears, lions, and elephants in a skirt and sandals, with a spear. So if he could do it, why can't you kill a deer with a bow and arrow? Because you're not half the hunter you pretend to be.

That’s why I am a one issue voter, I can do nothing to change the direction of this country. It has been lost for over a century… The cancer of socialism has won.

So wait...you say socialism won, yet in the sentence prior, you talk of living your rugged individualist life. So which is it? Is the government oppressive or isn't it? Doesn't sound like it since you get to live your shitty life the way you want. Like I said before, you just want to call black people the n-word and not face criticism for it. Be honest.

The funny thing is progressive put all their chips into socialism, socialism is a 100% failure 100% of the time long term in the history of the planet. LOL

Socialism seems to work just fine for Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, South Korea, Israel, and tons of other countries. What you don't see working well is capitalism. Capitalism is unable to provide an adequate standard of living for the working class.

The US isn't capitalist for Government. It's gotten to the point where it's so corrupt that you can't really tell what it is anymore. For instance, the no new gun laws. You will note that the leading Republicans that keep spewing the NRA boilerplate have all received millions from the NRA. Corporations can't directly give that kind of money to our Politicians. They can only give 2500 bucks a year. So they give it to the NRA who has the ability to donate those funds to various Super PACS to be earmarked for those particular Politicians. And it's all done anonymously. The problem here is, we need to see who donated what. Until that happens, our Politicians will deny, deny and deflect because we can't prove otherwise. And this goes to all Politicians, not just the right or the left.

What happens when each and every ad has to say who actually donated to it. And every Bill that is presented has to say exactly who wrote it and financially donated to make it happen. As long as Corporations are considered People, we need to treat them exactly like they do me and you. This would make the really corrupt ones run from the building because we would see just how corrupt they really are.

Fuck face, You have no clue what you’re talking about… LOL
Don't blame the NRA for failed gun control efforts

And when the Democrats are in power then you will be saying exactly the same thing. It's not Partisan it's the right thing.

 

[2aguy]

and 86% of them are reported stolen.

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT 100%?

So much for the narrative of "responsible gun owners"...they report a gun is stolen less than 9 out of 10 times. That's fucking pathetic. You can sure as shit bet 100% of car thefts are reported.

Now, why would a "responsible gun owner" not report their gun as stolen!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What could be the only reason?

This problem does not affect all states equally. The rate and volume of guns stolen from both gun stores and private collections vary widely from state to state. From 2012 through 2015, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of gun theft from private owners—Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, and Alabama—was 13 times higher than the average rate of the five states with the lowest rates—Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts.6 Similarly, from 2012 through 2016, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of guns stolen from gun stores was 18 times higher than the average rate the five states with the lowest rates.7

Yes! So thanks for proving my point...states with shitty gun laws see more gun thefts than states with good gun laws. So again, it's the "responsible gun owners" who are to blame. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that guns are trafficked to cities and blue states via "iron pipelines". A practice that could be all but eliminated by requiring all gun transactions and transfers require a background check.

gun thefts are not equally distributed among the states and gee high crime areas have more gun thefts. Imagine that.

The states you listed in your cut and paste that had the highest rates of gun theft are all pro-gun, red states. So the guns get stolen from "responsible gun owners" in those states and then trafficked into the other states with stricter gun laws. That's exactly what the "iron pipeline" is.

Millions of people own guns and never have one stolen

As of now. But they can't pretend it will never happen because it happens 234,000 times a year, on average.

you really like to ask stupid questions.

How the fuck do I know why someone wouldn't report a gun or anything else stolen?

How to go AR Shopping.

1. Steal a Ford F-350 and a full sized Van
2. Wait until very early morning
3. Crash it into the front of the store
4. Back the Ford outside
5. Begin transfer all the ARs into the Van
6. Transfer the 223 and 556 ammo to the Van
7. Drive the Van to your own Van and transfer the Weapons and Ammo to it
8. Drive the Ford F-350 and the stolen van to an out of the way location
9. pour gas all over and inside both the stolen Van and the F-350 and light it.
10. Drive your van to a Public Storage facility and unload all the weapons.

Done.

The Mass Shooters don't do this. But if you go into the various "Militias" you may find those weapons. You can't use this to justify that only Criminals obtain Guns illegally. One can mail order an AR and all kinds of little toys to go with it online and lie out my ass and obtain a gun. You know, the part where it says, "Are you a Convicted Felon" if I were a convicted felon. I can do the same thing at a Gun Show as long as my fake ID looks real. Or I can go to any legal Gun Shop and give the real info and purchase that as well.

No....that is what happens in gun controlled democrat cities...their gang members and democrat party members spread out across various states and do exactly what you listed.......gangs, not law abiding gun owners.....doofus.

And of course, as an anti gunner, you have to lie about getting a gun.......

 

[2aguy]

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

Yes, it does take away rights. Of the ones that cannot get a Class 4 or Class D firearms license and don't have the 200 bucks to pay for it. And I can get one of those just by applying. So can any Citizen of the US that can purchase weapons at any gun store. Now, cupcake, what rights would I have taken from your or me?

Sorry, don't come back with the Usual NRA boilerplate answer. Use your own brain.

You would be in violation of several Supreme Court rulings and the 2nd Amendment.....

Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943)



4. A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution. P. 319 U. S. 113.

5. The flat license tax here involved restrains in advance the Constitutional liberties of press and religion, and inevitably tends to suppress their exercise. P. 319 U. S. 114.

6. That the ordinance is "nondiscriminatory," in that it applies also to peddlers of wares and merchandise, is immaterial. The liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment are in a preferred position. P. 319 U. S. 115.

7. Since the privilege in question is guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and exists independently of state authority, the inquiry as to whether the State has given something for which it can ask a return is irrelevant. P. 319 U. S. 115.

8. A community may not suppress, or the State tax, the dissemination of views because they are unpopular, annoying, or distasteful. P. 319 U. S. 116.

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Page 319 U. S. 108



The First Amendment, which the Fourteenth makes applicable to the states, declares that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press . . ."

It could hardly be denied that a tax laid specifically on the exercise of those freedoms would be unconstitutional. Yet the license tax imposed by this ordinance is, in substance, just that.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

and 86% of them are reported stolen.

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT 100%?

So much for the narrative of "responsible gun owners"...they report a gun is stolen less than 9 out of 10 times. That's fucking pathetic. You can sure as shit bet 100% of car thefts are reported.

Now, why would a "responsible gun owner" not report their gun as stolen!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What could be the only reason?

This problem does not affect all states equally. The rate and volume of guns stolen from both gun stores and private collections vary widely from state to state. From 2012 through 2015, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of gun theft from private owners—Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, and Alabama—was 13 times higher than the average rate of the five states with the lowest rates—Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts.6 Similarly, from 2012 through 2016, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of guns stolen from gun stores was 18 times higher than the average rate the five states with the lowest rates.7

Yes! So thanks for proving my point...states with shitty gun laws see more gun thefts than states with good gun laws. So again, it's the "responsible gun owners" who are to blame. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that guns are trafficked to cities and blue states via "iron pipelines". A practice that could be all but eliminated by requiring all gun transactions and transfers require a background check.

gun thefts are not equally distributed among the states and gee high crime areas have more gun thefts. Imagine that.

The states you listed in your cut and paste that had the highest rates of gun theft are all pro-gun, red states. So the guns get stolen from "responsible gun owners" in those states and then trafficked into the other states with stricter gun laws. That's exactly what the "iron pipeline" is.

Millions of people own guns and never have one stolen

As of now. But they can't pretend it will never happen because it happens 234,000 times a year, on average.

you really like to ask stupid questions.

How the fuck do I know why someone wouldn't report a gun or anything else stolen?

How to go AR Shopping.

1. Steal a Ford F-350 and a full sized Van
2. Wait until very early morning
3. Crash it into the front of the store
4. Back the Ford outside
5. Begin transfer all the ARs into the Van
6. Transfer the 223 and 556 ammo to the Van
7. Drive the Van to your own Van and transfer the Weapons and Ammo to it
8. Drive the Ford F-350 and the stolen van to an out of the way location
9. pour gas all over and inside both the stolen Van and the F-350 and light it.
10. Drive your van to a Public Storage facility and unload all the weapons.

Done.

The Mass Shooters don't do this. But if you go into the various "Militias" you may find those weapons. You can't use this to justify that only Criminals obtain Guns illegally. One can mail order an AR and all kinds of little toys to go with it online and lie out my ass and obtain a gun. You know, the part where it says, "Are you a Convicted Felon" if I were a convicted felon. I can do the same thing at a Gun Show as long as my fake ID looks real. Or I can go to any legal Gun Shop and give the real info and purchase that as well.

No....that is what happens in gun controlled democrat cities...their gang members and democrat party members spread out across various states and do exactly what you listed.......gangs, not law abiding gun owners.....doofus.

And of course, as an anti gunner, you have to lie about getting a gun.......

Agaiin, cupcake, exactly what rights would I be taking from you? Or from me. Sorry, I still won't accept the NRA Boilerplate you keep repeating over and over.

 

[2aguy]

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

Yes, it does take away rights. Of the ones that cannot get a Class 4 or Class D firearms license and don't have the 200 bucks to pay for it. And I can get one of those just by applying. So can any Citizen of the US that can purchase weapons at any gun store. Now, cupcake, what rights would I have taken from your or me?

Sorry, don't come back with the Usual NRA boilerplate answer. Use your own brain.

In the old days when you and other democrats were using jim crow laws to keep blacks from voting, you imposed Poll Taxes and Literacy tests as a means to prevent their Right to vote.......and you used the same argument...."How does charging a tax to vote deny that Right?"

Good to see you racist assholes are still out there.......

 

[Rustic]

and 86% of them are reported stolen.

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT 100%?

So much for the narrative of "responsible gun owners"...they report a gun is stolen less than 9 out of 10 times. That's fucking pathetic. You can sure as shit bet 100% of car thefts are reported.

Now, why would a "responsible gun owner" not report their gun as stolen!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What could be the only reason?

This problem does not affect all states equally. The rate and volume of guns stolen from both gun stores and private collections vary widely from state to state. From 2012 through 2015, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of gun theft from private owners—Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, and Alabama—was 13 times higher than the average rate of the five states with the lowest rates—Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts.6 Similarly, from 2012 through 2016, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of guns stolen from gun stores was 18 times higher than the average rate the five states with the lowest rates.7

Yes! So thanks for proving my point...states with shitty gun laws see more gun thefts than states with good gun laws. So again, it's the "responsible gun owners" who are to blame. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that guns are trafficked to cities and blue states via "iron pipelines". A practice that could be all but eliminated by requiring all gun transactions and transfers require a background check.

gun thefts are not equally distributed among the states and gee high crime areas have more gun thefts. Imagine that.

The states you listed in your cut and paste that had the highest rates of gun theft are all pro-gun, red states. So the guns get stolen from "responsible gun owners" in those states and then trafficked into the other states with stricter gun laws. That's exactly what the "iron pipeline" is.

Millions of people own guns and never have one stolen

As of now. But they can't pretend it will never happen because it happens 234,000 times a year, on average.

you really like to ask stupid questions.

How the fuck do I know why someone wouldn't report a gun or anything else stolen?

How to go AR Shopping.

1. Steal a Ford F-350 and a full sized Van
2. Wait until very early morning
3. Crash it into the front of the store
4. Back the Ford outside
5. Begin transfer all the ARs into the Van
6. Transfer the 223 and 556 ammo to the Van
7. Drive the Van to your own Van and transfer the Weapons and Ammo to it
8. Drive the Ford F-350 and the stolen van to an out of the way location
9. pour gas all over and inside both the stolen Van and the F-350 and light it.
10. Drive your van to a Public Storage facility and unload all the weapons.

Done.

The Mass Shooters don't do this. But if you go into the various "Militias" you may find those weapons. You can't use this to justify that only Criminals obtain Guns illegally. One can mail order an AR and all kinds of little toys to go with it online and lie out my ass and obtain a gun. You know, the part where it says, "Are you a Convicted Felon" if I were a convicted felon. I can do the same thing at a Gun Show as long as my fake ID looks real. Or I can go to any legal Gun Shop and give the real info and purchase that as well.

Lol
So basically you’re saying that the only way they can Kill is wth an AR no other way?

An AR15 is nothing more, nothing less than a sporting rifle.
Even little kids know this…

 

[Rustic]

The thing is, I am self-employed have been for 20+ years I’ve been debt free for about the same time. I have never purchased insurance, I homeschool my kids, I hunt and grow my own food, but I also realize I have no real freedom in this country, And my kids are going to live in an Orwellian state most likely.

Yeah, I don't believe any of that shit you say about yourself.

And if you actually, really hunt for food, why can't you use a crossbow or a regular bow? Not man enough, I guess. Alexander the Great killed bears, lions, and elephants in a skirt and sandals, with a spear. So if he could do it, why can't you kill a deer with a bow and arrow? Because you're not half the hunter you pretend to be.

That’s why I am a one issue voter, I can do nothing to change the direction of this country. It has been lost for over a century… The cancer of socialism has won.

So wait...you say socialism won, yet in the sentence prior, you talk of living your rugged individualist life. So which is it? Is the government oppressive or isn't it? Doesn't sound like it since you get to live your shitty life the way you want. Like I said before, you just want to call black people the n-word and not face criticism for it. Be honest.

The funny thing is progressive put all their chips into socialism, socialism is a 100% failure 100% of the time long term in the history of the planet. LOL

Socialism seems to work just fine for Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, South Korea, Israel, and tons of other countries. What you don't see working well is capitalism. Capitalism is unable to provide an adequate standard of living for the working class.

The US isn't capitalist for Government. It's gotten to the point where it's so corrupt that you can't really tell what it is anymore. For instance, the no new gun laws. You will note that the leading Republicans that keep spewing the NRA boilerplate have all received millions from the NRA. Corporations can't directly give that kind of money to our Politicians. They can only give 2500 bucks a year. So they give it to the NRA who has the ability to donate those funds to various Super PACS to be earmarked for those particular Politicians. And it's all done anonymously. The problem here is, we need to see who donated what. Until that happens, our Politicians will deny, deny and deflect because we can't prove otherwise. And this goes to all Politicians, not just the right or the left.

What happens when each and every ad has to say who actually donated to it. And every Bill that is presented has to say exactly who wrote it and financially donated to make it happen. As long as Corporations are considered People, we need to treat them exactly like they do me and you. This would make the really corrupt ones run from the building because we would see just how corrupt they really are.

Fuck face, You have no clue what you’re talking about… LOL
Don't blame the NRA for failed gun control efforts

And when the Democrats are in power then you will be saying exactly the same thing. It's not Partisan it's the right thing.

“the NRA's influence and financial power is widely overstated”

 

[Rustic]

And I am telling you that it is beyond stupid to reclassify one specific Semiautomatic rifle because of the way it looks and no other reason.

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

and 86% of them are reported stolen.

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT 100%?

So much for the narrative of "responsible gun owners"...they report a gun is stolen less than 9 out of 10 times. That's fucking pathetic. You can sure as shit bet 100% of car thefts are reported.

Now, why would a "responsible gun owner" not report their gun as stolen!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What could be the only reason?

This problem does not affect all states equally. The rate and volume of guns stolen from both gun stores and private collections vary widely from state to state. From 2012 through 2015, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of gun theft from private owners—Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, and Alabama—was 13 times higher than the average rate of the five states with the lowest rates—Hawaii, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, and Massachusetts.6 Similarly, from 2012 through 2016, the average rate of the five states with the highest rates of guns stolen from gun stores was 18 times higher than the average rate the five states with the lowest rates.7

Yes! So thanks for proving my point...states with shitty gun laws see more gun thefts than states with good gun laws. So again, it's the "responsible gun owners" who are to blame. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that guns are trafficked to cities and blue states via "iron pipelines". A practice that could be all but eliminated by requiring all gun transactions and transfers require a background check.

gun thefts are not equally distributed among the states and gee high crime areas have more gun thefts. Imagine that.

The states you listed in your cut and paste that had the highest rates of gun theft are all pro-gun, red states. So the guns get stolen from "responsible gun owners" in those states and then trafficked into the other states with stricter gun laws. That's exactly what the "iron pipeline" is.

Millions of people own guns and never have one stolen

As of now. But they can't pretend it will never happen because it happens 234,000 times a year, on average.

you really like to ask stupid questions.

How the fuck do I know why someone wouldn't report a gun or anything else stolen?

How to go AR Shopping.

1. Steal a Ford F-350 and a full sized Van
2. Wait until very early morning
3. Crash it into the front of the store
4. Back the Ford outside
5. Begin transfer all the ARs into the Van
6. Transfer the 223 and 556 ammo to the Van
7. Drive the Van to your own Van and transfer the Weapons and Ammo to it
8. Drive the Ford F-350 and the stolen van to an out of the way location
9. pour gas all over and inside both the stolen Van and the F-350 and light it.
10. Drive your van to a Public Storage facility and unload all the weapons.

Done.

The Mass Shooters don't do this. But if you go into the various "Militias" you may find those weapons. You can't use this to justify that only Criminals obtain Guns illegally. One can mail order an AR and all kinds of little toys to go with it online and lie out my ass and obtain a gun. You know, the part where it says, "Are you a Convicted Felon" if I were a convicted felon. I can do the same thing at a Gun Show as long as my fake ID looks real. Or I can go to any legal Gun Shop and give the real info and purchase that as well.

No....that is what happens in gun controlled democrat cities...their gang members and democrat party members spread out across various states and do exactly what you listed.......gangs, not law abiding gun owners.....doofus.

And of course, as an anti gunner, you have to lie about getting a gun.......

Agaiin, cupcake, exactly what rights would I be taking from you? Or from me. Sorry, I still won't accept the NRA Boilerplate you keep repeating over and over.

“the NRA's influence and financial power is widely overstated”

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

Yes, it does take away rights. Of the ones that cannot get a Class 4 or Class D firearms license and don't have the 200 bucks to pay for it. And I can get one of those just by applying. So can any Citizen of the US that can purchase weapons at any gun store. Now, cupcake, what rights would I have taken from your or me?

Sorry, don't come back with the Usual NRA boilerplate answer. Use your own brain.

You would be in violation of several Supreme Court rulings and the 2nd Amendment.....

Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943)



4. A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution. P. 319 U. S. 113.

5. The flat license tax here involved restrains in advance the Constitutional liberties of press and religion, and inevitably tends to suppress their exercise. P. 319 U. S. 114.

6. That the ordinance is "nondiscriminatory," in that it applies also to peddlers of wares and merchandise, is immaterial. The liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment are in a preferred position. P. 319 U. S. 115.

7. Since the privilege in question is guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and exists independently of state authority, the inquiry as to whether the State has given something for which it can ask a return is irrelevant. P. 319 U. S. 115.

8. A community may not suppress, or the State tax, the dissemination of views because they are unpopular, annoying, or distasteful. P. 319 U. S. 116.

------

Page 319 U. S. 108



The First Amendment, which the Fourteenth makes applicable to the states, declares that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press . . ."

It could hardly be denied that a tax laid specifically on the exercise of those freedoms would be unconstitutional. Yet the license tax imposed by this ordinance is, in substance, just that.

Read your own cite. Your Cite deals with the 1st amendment rights for Religion and free speech where a government charges any group money or taxes so they can distribute their views. It has not a thing to do with Weapons unless you consider a pamphlet a weapon.

Nice try, NRA Rep. but facts are getting in your way.

 

[2aguy]

You can fight it but the genie is out of the bottle. While the School Children that have been terrorized and traumatized can't vote, their parents can and in a few short years the children turn 18. And they agree with what I have said all along. Even many of the large Republican Donors are starting to remove support for anyone that will not go along those lines. Yes, these folks give millions each year to various Republican Candidates but they will not contribute to those that still spew the NRA Boilerplate responses. It's happening more and more each day. The Last Mass Shooting was the straw that broke the camels back. Too bad it didn't get a sore back 25 years ago.

And what will you all do when banning that rifle does nothing to stop the next piece of shit from shooting up a school ?

Give it a chance. If it works that's great. If it doesn't we can put it back the way it was. My money is that within 2 years we may still have attacks but they won't be "Mass" killings since that tool won't be available.

Boy, you must think we just fell off the turnip truck right alongside you. "Just let us take away your rights for a little while! If you don't like it, we'll give 'em back! Honest!" That's right up there with "I'll only put the tip in!" on the list of bullshit lies no one with brain cells falls for.

WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT 100%?

So much for the narrative of "responsible gun owners"...they report a gun is stolen less than 9 out of 10 times. That's fucking pathetic. You can sure as shit bet 100% of car thefts are reported.

Now, why would a "responsible gun owner" not report their gun as stolen!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! What could be the only reason?


Yes! So thanks for proving my point...states with shitty gun laws see more gun thefts than states with good gun laws. So again, it's the "responsible gun owners" who are to blame. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that guns are trafficked to cities and blue states via "iron pipelines". A practice that could be all but eliminated by requiring all gun transactions and transfers require a background check.



The states you listed in your cut and paste that had the highest rates of gun theft are all pro-gun, red states. So the guns get stolen from "responsible gun owners" in those states and then trafficked into the other states with stricter gun laws. That's exactly what the "iron pipeline" is.


As of now. But they can't pretend it will never happen because it happens 234,000 times a year, on average.

you really like to ask stupid questions.

How the fuck do I know why someone wouldn't report a gun or anything else stolen?

How to go AR Shopping.

1. Steal a Ford F-350 and a full sized Van
2. Wait until very early morning
3. Crash it into the front of the store
4. Back the Ford outside
5. Begin transfer all the ARs into the Van
6. Transfer the 223 and 556 ammo to the Van
7. Drive the Van to your own Van and transfer the Weapons and Ammo to it
8. Drive the Ford F-350 and the stolen van to an out of the way location
9. pour gas all over and inside both the stolen Van and the F-350 and light it.
10. Drive your van to a Public Storage facility and unload all the weapons.

Done.

The Mass Shooters don't do this. But if you go into the various "Militias" you may find those weapons. You can't use this to justify that only Criminals obtain Guns illegally. One can mail order an AR and all kinds of little toys to go with it online and lie out my ass and obtain a gun. You know, the part where it says, "Are you a Convicted Felon" if I were a convicted felon. I can do the same thing at a Gun Show as long as my fake ID looks real. Or I can go to any legal Gun Shop and give the real info and purchase that as well.

No....that is what happens in gun controlled democrat cities...their gang members and democrat party members spread out across various states and do exactly what you listed.......gangs, not law abiding gun owners.....doofus.

And of course, as an anti gunner, you have to lie about getting a gun.......

Agaiin, cupcake, exactly what rights would I be taking from you? Or from me. Sorry, I still won't accept the NRA Boilerplate you keep repeating over and over.

“the NRA's influence and financial power is widely overstated”

And yet......when the democrats most needed the conservatives to be quiet and passive.....they had to kick the hornets nest of gun rights..........the one issue that motivates conservatives like no other........

 

[Rustic]

“A misbegotten path is introducing new rules and misrepresenting them to the public. That's what happened last year when Democrats tried a proposed rule that they and most of the news media portrayed as a way to keep guns from the "mentally ill." But it really sought to put people into the federal government gun background database if they received disability payments from Social Security and received assistance to manage their benefits due to mental impairments. That's a far cry from "mentally ill." Even the ACLU and mental health advocates lined up against that idea, not just the NRA”