The real way to really fix Education

[zeke]

Too late to get your money back, I guess.

Sucks to be you.

WOW, what a come back. What grade you in? Did you try the dictionary yet? There is even one on line.

 

[Crackerjack]

Too late to get your money back, I guess.

Sucks to be you.

WOW, what a come back. What grade you in? Did you try the dictionary yet? There is even one on line.

If you used said dictionary you might have known that the term "online" is one word.

Moron.

 

[Vel]

Just what is wrong with having a large, uneducated portion of the population?

Look at the Rethugs now. Large percentage of uneducated people and what harm are they doing?
Hell, the rethugs have all the answers to any questions. The answer is; Lower taxes. Any moron can understand that. You sure don't need any fancy education to unnerstan lower taxes.

What harm are they doing? They're voting Democrat and you sure don't need any fancy education to understand the problem with that.

In all seriousness, the worst problems with failing schools seem to be concentrated in the inner cities. Those schools get the same funding that other schools get and offer the same classes. The biggest difference in those schools is that they contain huge numbers of students just like "Shakir". The parents show little to no interest in either helping their children succeed or helping their schools improve. And not surprisingly, where are the Democrat voting strongholds across the nation? The inner cities.

 

[Avatar4321]

The cure for our educational system lies in the home. Until there is an desire for education there, the children will reflect the attitude of their parents. In this nation, there is a lack of respect for education and science, and pride in willfull ignorance. Until that is reversed, we will not see any improvement in the education of our citizens. Same old saw about leading a horse to water.

Then we can all agree that throwing money at the problem isnt going to fix it and cut the expenses we are wasting on education that's not happening. Particularly at the Federal level since they have no jurisdiction to be involved anyways.

 

[bripat9643]

The cure for our educational system lies in the home. Until there is an desire for education there, the children will reflect the attitude of their parents. In this nation, there is a lack of respect for education and science, and pride in willfull ignorance. Until that is reversed, we will not see any improvement in the education of our citizens. Same old saw about leading a horse to water.

So schools are irrelevant? If that's the case, then why bother with government schools?

Those who defend the government school monopoly are always trying to blame the parents.

 

[007]

The only way to fix education is to get it away from being an entitlement and back to being something that is a privilege to do. The only to do that is to stop it from being free. School should be provided at 100% of cost only from K through the fifth grade. After that a child has to maintain a B average to continue their education for free. If a child’s grades drop below a B average then the child’s education must be paid for until it is above a B average again. Even if the child stays out of school or if the parent can only afford for the child to re-take one course then so be it. This will get the parents back involved in their kid’s education.

A few things need to be done, one, get rid of the department of education. Second, get rid of the teachers unions. Third, make only those who have kids in school pay for the education of their kids. No kids, you don't have to pay. See how fast parents get more involved in how THEIR money is spent.

 

[Vel]

The cure for our educational system lies in the home. Until there is an desire for education there, the children will reflect the attitude of their parents. In this nation, there is a lack of respect for education and science, and pride in willfull ignorance. Until that is reversed, we will not see any improvement in the education of our citizens. Same old saw about leading a horse to water.

So schools are irrelevant? If that's the case, then why bother with government schools?

Those who defend the government school monopoly are always trying to blame the parents.

Old Rocks and I don't agree on much, but in this case he is spot on. The parents are the determining factor in whether a child does well in school or not. You can't expect the school to compensate for a stable home life unless you plan to have the kid's live at the school.

 

[Vel]

The cure for our educational system lies in the home. Until there is an desire for education there, the children will reflect the attitude of their parents. In this nation, there is a lack of respect for education and science, and pride in willfull ignorance. Until that is reversed, we will not see any improvement in the education of our citizens. Same old saw about leading a horse to water.

I agree that the parents are the determining factor and you can see that lack of respect for education, science and the pride in willful ignorance evidenced on the streets of most inner city neighborhoods.

 

[BluePhantom]

So schools are irrelevant? If that's the case, then why bother with government schools?

Those who defend the government school monopoly are always trying to blame the parents.

Well that's a little like blaming the pus for the pimple. Both of them are negatively contributing to the state of education in America. Government intervention is having the unforeseen consequence of lowering standards. They think they are raising standards but in effect the exact opposite is happening. Parents most certainly share the blame though. They are in my experience mostly uncommitted, disinterested, disengaged in their children's education, and do not instill a sense of disciple or responsibility in their children...then when the school tries to the parents come unglued.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The only way to fix education is to get it away from being an entitlement and back to being something that is a privilege to do. The only to do that is to stop it from being free.

Hell, why stop there??

Maybe we should get back to our (White) "roots", and make it illegal for those people to learn "readin' 'n writin'"!!!

After all.....that "fix" is all-about improving our economy, and gaining access to all available resources....right?

Look at how-much-more "control" we had of the U.S. economy, when (only) those that needed to compete (for jobs), were the right people (that got an education)!!!

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[Ariux]

The real way to fix education: segregation. Get the Trayvon Martins out of the classroom.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The only way to fix education is to get it away from being an entitlement and back to being something that is a privilege to do. The only to do that is to stop it from being free. School should be provided at 100% of cost only from K through the fifth grade. After that a child has to maintain a B average to continue their education for free. If a child’s grades drop below a B average then the child’s education must be paid for until it is above a B average again. Even if the child stays out of school or if the parent can only afford for the child to re-take one course then so be it. This will get the parents back involved in their kid’s education.

A few things need to be done, one, get rid of the department of education. Second, get rid of the teachers unions. Third, make only those who have kids in school pay for the education of their kids. No kids, you don't have to pay.

Yeah......that works, so well, when it comes to fighting Wars, too!

If you don't have any kids, directly involved, why WORRY about how long the fighting goes on!!!!!​

 

[Katzndogz]

The only way to fix education is to get it away from being an entitlement and back to being something that is a privilege to do. The only to do that is to stop it from being free. School should be provided at 100% of cost only from K through the fifth grade. After that a child has to maintain a B average to continue their education for free. If a child’s grades drop below a B average then the child’s education must be paid for until it is above a B average again. Even if the child stays out of school or if the parent can only afford for the child to re-take one course then so be it. This will get the parents back involved in their kid’s education.

A few things need to be done, one, get rid of the department of education. Second, get rid of the teachers unions. Third, make only those who have kids in school pay for the education of their kids. No kids, you don't have to pay. See how fast parents get more involved in how THEIR money is spent.

The poor still won't pay. They will have to have a subsidy.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The cure for our educational system lies in the home. Until there is an desire for education there, the children will reflect the attitude of their parents. In this nation, there is a lack of respect for education and science, and pride in willfull ignorance. Until that is reversed, we will not see any improvement in the education of our citizens. Same old saw about leading a horse to water.

That is the goal of my solution. Since people have lost sight in the importance of education we must make it more important that the kids get good grades. We have to drive the parents to care. Sure there will be some that still won’t but we need to try and help those we can.

....Especially those in gated-communities, right?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The real way to fix education: segregation. Get the Trayvon Martins out of the classroom.

We can always rely on you Teabaggers comin'-thru, here!!!

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[gallantwarrior]

Archived-Articles: Why Shakir Can't Read

I was talking to a friend the other day who teaches at an elementary school and has a student whom I shall name Shakir. Shakir is ten, and he's barely literate. My friend's class is not a large one; she has five to eight students. She also has a teaching assistant, and between them, the kids receive a lot of personal, one-to-one attention. Nevertheless, Shakir still can't read.

A large part of the problem is that Shakir refuses to do his bit to educate himself. Given classwork in school, Shakir engages in a series of acts of avoidance. He will disrupt, pick fights with his classmates, curse, destroy objects in his environment, sleep, declare that he will do nothing, or take the entire day simply to write his name

The uncertainty of the shifting relationships in the boy's life is compounded by the constant housing moves to which his mother subjects the family. On welfare and a recipient of a Section Eight housing grant, Shakir's family experiences a regular housing cycle from apartment in a tough neighborhood to government-sponsored motel/hotel and back before the cycle repeats all over again. What determines the move from apartment in a tough neighborhood to a motel/hotel is his mother. Given an apartment found by the proper authorities, Shakir's mother will not pay rent, even though she receives money to do so.

His mother is either a high school dropout or limped her way to graduation with a poor academic record herself. She does not check his book-bag, makes no effort to ensure that he does his homework, nor does she provide any assistance with his reading. What she will do, when school authorities call her to complain about her son's behavior, is come to the school ready to curse and fight his teachers

There is no way to fix this.

Shakir should be removed from the general student population. It is patently unfair to all the other children to keep him among them, degrading their educational experience. If putting him on the street is not considered, then we need to establish an institution that provides education, but perhaps pooling Shakir with the hundreds like him. Allowing the Shakir's of society to drag down the other children is another aspect of our failing educational system.

 

[candycorn]

It's "free" in Europe too and yet they are highly more intelligent than the idiots we're shipping out of the government schools, so I don't think your solution is exactly the right cure for the disease.

Then what is. I'm offering a solution and you are just saying no. What is your solution. Is your solution to move to Europe?

I think you strengthen the K-12 experience on the front end. More magnet schools. Teach the trades in High School again.

Then you make 60 hours of college credit available to each student at the outset. The 60 hours will be paid for by payroll witholdings through out their lives as employed adults. Once the tax base expands due to more college grads, you expand it to cover all four years. If you want to use the 60 hours to become a pipefitter; great. If you want to study drama, great. If you want to take 60 hours of dodgeball, great. Just know that there will be money taken out of your paychecks to cover your 60 hours of dodgeball.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I would say that the model we use is broken. Every guidance counselor in the US thinks that every single child needs to get a four-year college degree, which is ridiculous. High schools are dumbing down the curriculum so that they can get as many kids into college as possible, and colleges are more than happy to oblige by colluding with the federal government and private loan companies to get these kids signed up for as many loans as possible, and they're dumbing down their curriculum to keep kids from flunking out and taking the tuition for which they're borrowing money with them.

The answer is a) to re-invigorate trade and technical schools, b) get high schools out of the mind-set that all kids must go to a university, c) make student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy again, and d) get the government out of the business of lending and granting money for college.

I fully agree. I have long been a proponent for re-establishment of vocational training. It's unfortunate that your son/daughter knows more about applying condoms, or that it's OK for Tammy to have two moms, but they cannot plan a budget, tune a carburetor, or build a birdhouse.

 

[Ariux]

Teabaggers[/B] comin'-thru, here!!!

Why is it okay for you to say teabagger, but not okay for me to say ******? And, you're so f-ing ignorant, I'm not a supporter of the Tea Party.

 

[miami_thomas]

Archived-Articles: Why Shakir Can't Read

I was talking to a friend the other day who teaches at an elementary school and has a student whom I shall name Shakir. Shakir is ten, and he's barely literate. My friend's class is not a large one; she has five to eight students. She also has a teaching assistant, and between them, the kids receive a lot of personal, one-to-one attention. Nevertheless, Shakir still can't read.

A large part of the problem is that Shakir refuses to do his bit to educate himself. Given classwork in school, Shakir engages in a series of acts of avoidance. He will disrupt, pick fights with his classmates, curse, destroy objects in his environment, sleep, declare that he will do nothing, or take the entire day simply to write his name

The uncertainty of the shifting relationships in the boy's life is compounded by the constant housing moves to which his mother subjects the family. On welfare and a recipient of a Section Eight housing grant, Shakir's family experiences a regular housing cycle from apartment in a tough neighborhood to government-sponsored motel/hotel and back before the cycle repeats all over again. What determines the move from apartment in a tough neighborhood to a motel/hotel is his mother. Given an apartment found by the proper authorities, Shakir's mother will not pay rent, even though she receives money to do so.

His mother is either a high school dropout or limped her way to graduation with a poor academic record herself. She does not check his book-bag, makes no effort to ensure that he does his homework, nor does she provide any assistance with his reading. What she will do, when school authorities call her to complain about her son's behavior, is come to the school ready to curse and fight his teachers

There is no way to fix this.

With my suggestion he would stop going to school after the fifth grade if there is no effort. Why keep him in school to cause problems if he is not there to learn?