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[irosie91]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

The federal government has no claim on perceived taxes, Cut taxes help the American people immensely. Fact

False. If those tax cuts result in loss of Obamacare subsidies, or a lower standard of education, or the infrastructure continues to crumble as a result, these things are HURTING, not helping.

The US is losing jobs because your population is NOT well educated, and your infrastructure is crumbling, not just because of high labour costs. Countries like Ireland have spent heavily on infrastructure and have a better education system than the US. Yes, they have a low tax rate, but so does Mynamar and I don't see American companies lining up to relocate there.

The far left is loosing all over the world and they prove they do not understand why!

First off, I am not a member of the "far left", I'm a member of the moderate left. And moderate leftists are still in control of MOST of the first world.

The racist zenophobe LOST the French election, and was soundly defeated. There are no right wing governments in control of any first world nations and with good reason. The US is the outlier here. The US has been sinking like a stone in every world standing since the days of Ronald Reagan.

Your country has dropped in education rankings, corruption, and liveability. Things got better under Obama but now that the Republicans are in control of the government again, I fully expect another melt-down of the US economy within 5 years of the tax cuts being implements.

things got better under Obama? I hadn't noticed. . Who was the racist zenophobe in France?

 

[Kosh]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

The federal government has no claim on perceived taxes, Cut taxes help the American people immensely. Fact

False. If those tax cuts result in loss of Obamacare subsidies, or a lower standard of education, or the infrastructure continues to crumble as a result, these things are HURTING, not helping.

The US is losing jobs because your population is NOT well educated, and your infrastructure is crumbling, not just because of high labour costs. Countries like Ireland have spent heavily on infrastructure and have a better education system than the US. Yes, they have a low tax rate, but so does Mynamar and I don't see American companies lining up to relocate there.

The far left is loosing all over the world and they prove they do not understand why!

First off, I am not a member of the "far left", I'm a member of the moderate left. And moderate leftists are still in control of MOST of the first world.

The racist zenophobe LOST the French election, and was soundly defeated. There are no right wing governments in control of any first world nations and with good reason. The US is the outlier here. The US has been sinking like a stone in every world standing since the days of Ronald Reagan.

Your country has dropped in education rankings, corruption, and liveability. Things got better under Obama but now that the Republicans are in control of the government again, I fully expect another melt-down of the US economy within 5 years of the tax cuts being implements.

Yes you are far left and a far left drone!

Yes many of the problems in the US can be linked to the horrid far .left policies, just they can be linked to many problems around the world.

When jobs here started to disappear and wages started going down, the far left here said it is just the norm and we must accept it.

Far left policies are destroying the world, that is why the far left should never be in charge of anything!

If you were a true moderate you would never supported Obama in fashion including his illegal wars.

 

[Rustic]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

The federal government has no claim on perceived taxes, Cut taxes help the American people immensely. Fact

False. If those tax cuts result in loss of Obamacare subsidies, or a lower standard of education, or the infrastructure continues to crumble as a result, these things are HURTING, not helping.

The US is losing jobs because your population is NOT well educated, and your infrastructure is crumbling, not just because of high labour costs. Countries like Ireland have spent heavily on infrastructure and have a better education system than the US. Yes, they have a low tax rate, but so does Mynamar and I don't see American companies lining up to relocate there.

The far left is loosing all over the world and they prove they do not understand why!

First off, I am not a member of the "far left", I'm a member of the moderate left. And moderate leftists are still in control of MOST of the first world.

The racist zenophobe LOST the French election, and was soundly defeated. There are no right wing governments in control of any first world nations and with good reason. The US is the outlier here. The US has been sinking like a stone in every world standing since the days of Ronald Reagan.

Your country has dropped in education rankings, corruption, and liveability. Things got better under Obama but now that the Republicans are in control of the government again, I fully expect another melt-down of the US economy within 5 years of the tax cuts being implements.

Control freak

 

[Penelope]

He doesn't care about the debt, he only cares for the elites and his corps and his buddies corps. He will bankrupt the US like his companies.

The top 25% of income earners pay 85% of the taxes that the government takes in, yet even when shown this chart by the IRS, liberals WONT pull their heads out of Uranus.
Bottom 50% pay in 3%. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

You're still a stupid fuck head....OBVIOUSLY you should send a couple of bucks to some billionaires to show how you're so damn hurt you are that they're paying so damn much and they have to use last year's Lear jet instead of buying a new one....Go on, moron, where's your compassion?

Somehow, morons like the above poster have so so THOROUGHLY bullshitted from billionaire lobbyists, that he is actually enjoying taking it up his sorry arse..

The top 25% are the ones who do not pay taxes, as they pay the fancy corp tax attorneys, those smart ones like Trump. Then they have off shore accounts and charitable foundations. The median and lower middle class support the wealthy and the poor.

And guess what would happen if you tried to get more taxes out of them. You would not succeed. The best way to get a rich guy to pay more in taxes is to get him to spend more, and raising tax rates isn't going to do that.

You mean by remodeling more homes, having a huge yacht built, hiring a butler, several maids, a cook, a groundskeeper, a personal shopper, buying a jet, having a personal pilot, having tailor made clothes, a personal trainer, and paying them via your corporation to have a tax write off or pay them under the table.

very vulgar and very stupid people KNOW so much.-------the dimmer they are the MORE THEY "KNOW".
There are people so vulgar and disgusting that with no evidence at all they ACCUSE those of whom they are jealous of "LIVING IT UP AND PAYING SHILLS UNDER THE TABLE 'ON THE CORPORATE
ACCOUNT' The really stupid people seem to know that a "TAX WRITE OFF" is something like ----the government sends HUGE CHECKS -----such people are correctly called shitty bitches. All they have to hear
is "corporation" and the little scum SEE **** MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY **** falling out of the
sky. Of course PENNY NEVER TOOK A DEDUCTION on her taxes----assuming she files at all. For those who do not know----although most of \you are not as stupid as penny and therefore DO KNOW--------your local mom and pop hamburger joint is \probably incorporated-------and may very well be struggling because CORPORATE TAXES are high. Most mom and pop little lunch businesses fail-------ie THE GO BANKRUPT-----no fun for mom and pop. No-----they didn't make off with millions

They go bankrupt because they can't compete with the big daddy shops or they are bad businessmen, they do not go bankrupt due to the Corp tax. If that is Trumps excuse, he had best find a new one.

 

[Penelope]

Trump complaining about Reagans tax cuts:

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

You do realize nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

First Amendment - U.S. Constitution. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Religion.

Waiting

Separation of church and state is simply another way of saying what the Constitution does say.

 

[NYcarbineer]

We the People created a government "of the people, by the people and for the people"
The government IS us

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people.

So you can see this guy is clearly a COMMIE by his own words, so Mr. Commie, how well do you like the way the Post Office or DMV works? The Constitution(the documents you lefties despise) was created so each individual can achieve their own success and happiness, with their God given gifts. When you lefttards take God away, all that is left is a suppressing government who takes at will what they want and give nothing in return except liberal equality. Everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. The war is coming, and it will be between ideologies of Good(GOD) vs Evil(Lucifer).

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

You do realize nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say you have the right to own a rifle or pistol.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Trump, start business, incorporate, pay yourself well, file bankruptcy, do over and over and over again.

Well, THAT is why is has to go to Russian banks to borrow money since virtually NO American banks trust the orange charlatan with any loans......He cheats, he defaults, he screws subcontractors..........Of course, Russian banks have an "interest" rate on him....and it isn't in money.........tax returns disclosure, anyone?

Nitwit49.05 has an OCD problem. He cant focus on anything but Trump tax returns, even when his countries economy is on the rebound. Keep it up guys and soon all in the Congress and Senate will be Republicans except for Californication and NYMexico.

Poll: 67% Of Americans Say The Democrats Are Out Of Touch With Their Concerns

Sixty-seven percent of Americans say the Democratic Party is out of touch with their concerns — that’s more than those who think the Republican Party or President Trump are out of touch with most Americans’ concerns, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

So you can see this guy is clearly a COMMIE by his own words, so Mr. Commie, how well do you like the way the Post Office or DMV works? The Constitution(the documents you lefties despise) was created so each individual can achieve their own success and happiness, with their God given gifts. When you lefttards take God away, all that is left is a suppressing government who takes at will what they want and give nothing in return except liberal equality. Everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. The war is coming, and it will be between ideologies of Good(GOD) vs Evil(Lucifer).

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

You do realize nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say you have the right to own a rifle or pistol.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say you have the right to own a rifle or pistol.

Yes it does, (for i can buy whatever i feel the need to protect myself with as long as I abide by the law)also it says that there is no government that can take that right away, yet we see how the Marxist Commies of some cities and states have made it almost impossible for Law Abiding Citizens to defend themselves. Both cities linked below are run by Marxist Commies who hate law abiding citizens. Now Nitwit, ignore the facts again, and run away like the petulant little girl that you are.

Baltimore tops 100 homicides so far in 2017
Report: 1,000 shooting victims in Chicago this year so far

 

[usmbguest5318]

That is a total failure..........

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That is not a plan. It is a list of goals. A plan is a set of actions that, if performed successfully, on time and on budget, are necessary for achieving one or more goals. For instance, performing item/step #2 in Trump's so-called "plan" is not a prerequisite for accomplishing any of items 3-10.

Trump has no trouble identifying goals he wants to achieve. I can't tell you that I've ever seen his issue a plan.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

things got better under Obama? I hadn't noticed. . Who was the racist zenophobe in France?

Perhaps you did not notice that when he took over we were losing 800k jobs a month when he left he had a years long string of gaining 200k jobs a month...when he came in the Fat Lady was clearing her throat as it looked like it was over for the US auto Industry...the US auto Industry is very much alive and well today ....the value of the stock market was close to a third of what it is now in other words he nearly tripled the Value of US stocks ...other than that ...

 

[hadit]

Trump has a degree in economics from Wharton.

That doesn't mean he went to class or that he learned anything. For all you know, he could have paid someone to do his assignments and essays. Trump was never a great student, so I doubt he passed without all of the assistance that money can buy.

and yet he's president and a billionaire.

How much he has is questionable. The real question would be how much would he have now if he hadn't had to file bankruptcy six times. For someone born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a million dollar loan from his dad over 40 years ago, he hasn't done all that well.

Answer: He would have less because his companies were allowed to fail instead of costing enormous amounts of money. You do know that Trump's companies filed, but he himself did not, correct?

That makes him a bad businessman.

Not so. He has started and/or run hundreds of businesses and only 6 have filed for bankruptcy. That's really not unusual at that level. In fact, a good businessman will use bankruptcy protection to keep a company going. Do you know anything about chapter 11 bankruptcy?

When a company finds itself with too much debt and not enough revenue, it can do one of several things. It can close up shop, putting all its workers out of a job, or it can file for chapter 11 bankruptcy, which wipes off a certain amount of debt but allows the company to keep going, and employing people.

 

[hadit]

things got better under Obama? I hadn't noticed. . Who was the racist zenophobe in France?

Perhaps you did not notice that when he took over we were losing 800k jobs a month when he left he had a years long string of gaining 200k jobs a month...when he came in the Fat Lady was clearing her throat as it looked like it was over for the US auto Industry...the US auto Industry is very much alive and well today ....the value of the stock market was close to a third of what it is now in other words he nearly tripled the Value of US stocks ...other than that ...

Did things get better BECAUSE of Obama, or in SPITE of Obama? IOW, did he make things better because of something he did, or did the American economy rebound on its own and he was along for the ride, slowing it down? It took a really long time to recover.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

things got better under Obama? I hadn't noticed. . Who was the racist zenophobe in France?

Perhaps you did not notice that when he took over we were losing 800k jobs a month when he left he had a years long string of gaining 200k jobs a month...when he came in the Fat Lady was clearing her throat as it looked like it was over for the US auto Industry...the US auto Industry is very much alive and well today ....the value of the stock market was close to a third of what it is now in other words he nearly tripled the Value of US stocks ...other than that ...

Did things get better BECAUSE of Obama, or in SPITE of Obama? IOW, did he make things better because of something he did, or did the American economy rebound on its own and he was along for the ride, slowing it down? It took a really long time to recover.

that is Rube talk ..

 

[hadit]

Trump has a degree in economics from Wharton.

paid for by daddy's money........Trump was, is and will always be an idiot....rich, but still an idiot.

Keep believing that. I hear it helps when the voices get too loud.

Trump, start business, incorporate, pay yourself well, file bankruptcy, do over and over and over again.

Here's a clue for the deliberately uninformed. Compare the number of Trump's businesses that filed vs the number that did not. But hey, keep the faith.

 

[hadit]

things got better under Obama? I hadn't noticed. . Who was the racist zenophobe in France?

Perhaps you did not notice that when he took over we were losing 800k jobs a month when he left he had a years long string of gaining 200k jobs a month...when he came in the Fat Lady was clearing her throat as it looked like it was over for the US auto Industry...the US auto Industry is very much alive and well today ....the value of the stock market was close to a third of what it is now in other words he nearly tripled the Value of US stocks ...other than that ...

Did things get better BECAUSE of Obama, or in SPITE of Obama? IOW, did he make things better because of something he did, or did the American economy rebound on its own and he was along for the ride, slowing it down? It took a really long time to recover.

that is Rube talk ..

No, it's a legitimate question. Obama's "recovery" took longer than similar recoveries in the past.

Are you trying to avoid such questions?

 

[hadit]

The top 25% of income earners pay 85% of the taxes that the government takes in, yet even when shown this chart by the IRS, liberals WONT pull their heads out of Uranus.
Bottom 50% pay in 3%. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

You're still a stupid fuck head....OBVIOUSLY you should send a couple of bucks to some billionaires to show how you're so damn hurt you are that they're paying so damn much and they have to use last year's Lear jet instead of buying a new one....Go on, moron, where's your compassion?

Somehow, morons like the above poster have so so THOROUGHLY bullshitted from billionaire lobbyists, that he is actually enjoying taking it up his sorry arse..

The top 25% are the ones who do not pay taxes, as they pay the fancy corp tax attorneys, those smart ones like Trump. Then they have off shore accounts and charitable foundations. The median and lower middle class support the wealthy and the poor.

And guess what would happen if you tried to get more taxes out of them. You would not succeed. The best way to get a rich guy to pay more in taxes is to get him to spend more, and raising tax rates isn't going to do that.

You mean by remodeling more homes, having a huge yacht built, hiring a butler, several maids, a cook, a groundskeeper, a personal shopper, buying a jet, having a personal pilot, having tailor made clothes, a personal trainer, and paying them via your corporation to have a tax write off or pay them under the table.

Every single one of those things you mention benefit the economy, because someone is getting hired and paid. Isn't that more valuable than the federal government getting more dollars for welfare programs?

The last thing you should want is a rich guy who is contented with what he has and doesn't aspire to have more, or buy more. I love the Paris Hilton's of the world because they can pump more money into the economy in a single shopping weekend than I make in an average year, and pay a lot of taxes too.

Simply put, I just don't care what the rich have, because the more they have, the more they spend, and the more the economy benefits.

Remember the yacht tax? That was really going to get those rich dudes. Man, we were going to sock it to 'em all right. All it did was destroy the American yacht building business and throw a bunch of highly skilled, highly paid people out of work, and the rich kept buying yachts, they just weren't buying them from American companies any more.

 

[irosie91]

He doesn't care about the debt, he only cares for the elites and his corps and his buddies corps. He will bankrupt the US like his companies.

You're still a stupid fuck head....OBVIOUSLY you should send a couple of bucks to some billionaires to show how you're so damn hurt you are that they're paying so damn much and they have to use last year's Lear jet instead of buying a new one....Go on, moron, where's your compassion?

Somehow, morons like the above poster have so so THOROUGHLY bullshitted from billionaire lobbyists, that he is actually enjoying taking it up his sorry arse..

The top 25% are the ones who do not pay taxes, as they pay the fancy corp tax attorneys, those smart ones like Trump. Then they have off shore accounts and charitable foundations. The median and lower middle class support the wealthy and the poor.

And guess what would happen if you tried to get more taxes out of them. You would not succeed. The best way to get a rich guy to pay more in taxes is to get him to spend more, and raising tax rates isn't going to do that.

You mean by remodeling more homes, having a huge yacht built, hiring a butler, several maids, a cook, a groundskeeper, a personal shopper, buying a jet, having a personal pilot, having tailor made clothes, a personal trainer, and paying them via your corporation to have a tax write off or pay them under the table.

very vulgar and very stupid people KNOW so much.-------the dimmer they are the MORE THEY "KNOW".
There are people so vulgar and disgusting that with no evidence at all they ACCUSE those of whom they are jealous of "LIVING IT UP AND PAYING SHILLS UNDER THE TABLE 'ON THE CORPORATE
ACCOUNT' The really stupid people seem to know that a "TAX WRITE OFF" is something like ----the government sends HUGE CHECKS -----such people are correctly called shitty bitches. All they have to hear
is "corporation" and the little scum SEE **** MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY **** falling out of the
sky. Of course PENNY NEVER TOOK A DEDUCTION on her taxes----assuming she files at all. For those who do not know----although most of \you are not as stupid as penny and therefore DO KNOW--------your local mom and pop hamburger joint is \probably incorporated-------and may very well be struggling because CORPORATE TAXES are high. Most mom and pop little lunch businesses fail-------ie THE GO BANKRUPT-----no fun for mom and pop. No-----they didn't make off with millions

They go bankrupt because they can't compete with the big daddy shops or they are bad businessmen, they do not go bankrupt due to the Corp tax. If that is Trumps excuse, he had best find a new one.

who is "they" in your sweeping statement as to why businesses go bankrupt?------large businesses go bankrupt and small businesses do so even more------clearly, for LOTS OF REASONS. For percentages
of new businesses that go bankrupt------check with the SBA--(small business administration). In fact, corporate taxes are a big issue for any corporation. Lowering them----IN THE OPINION OF SOME PEOPLE---stimulates business and creates jobs. I have no opinion on the matter------I do not understand economics---but am not so clueless as are you

 

[irosie91]

things got better under Obama? I hadn't noticed. . Who was the racist zenophobe in France?

Perhaps you did not notice that when he took over we were losing 800k jobs a month when he left he had a years long string of gaining 200k jobs a month...when he came in the Fat Lady was clearing her throat as it looked like it was over for the US auto Industry...the US auto Industry is very much alive and well today ....the value of the stock market was close to a third of what it is now in other words he nearly tripled the Value of US stocks ...other than that ...

OBAMA DID THAT? -----ok so then EISENHOWER did even better