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[hadit]

The ultimate problem for the orange clown is that as he further depletes the collection of taxes, he will have to ask for trillions in borrowed money (along the same lines as to why he had to declare bankruptcy so many times).....and as dumb as republicans in congress may already be, THAT may finally wake them up to the orange failure.

Trump is cutting the size of government, that means less spending. When you spend less you don't have to take in as much taxes. I bet you libtards failed in economics, didn't ya?

Trump has a degree in economics from Wharton.

That doesn't mean he went to class or that he learned anything. For all you know, he could have paid someone to do his assignments and essays. Trump was never a great student, so I doubt he passed without all of the assistance that money can buy.

and yet he's president and a billionaire.

How much he has is questionable. The real question would be how much would he have now if he hadn't had to file bankruptcy six times. For someone born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a million dollar loan from his dad over 40 years ago, he hasn't done all that well.

Answer: He would have less because his companies were allowed to fail instead of costing enormous amounts of money. You do know that Trump's companies filed, but he himself did not, correct?

 

[hadit]

The top 25% of income earners pay 85% of the taxes that the government takes in, yet even when shown this chart by the IRS, liberals WONT pull their heads out of Uranus.
Bottom 50% pay in 3%. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

You're still a stupid fuck head....OBVIOUSLY you should send a couple of bucks to some billionaires to show how you're so damn hurt you are that they're paying so damn much and they have to use last year's Lear jet instead of buying a new one....Go on, moron, where's your compassion?

Somehow, morons like the above poster have so so THOROUGHLY bullshitted from billionaire lobbyists, that he is actually enjoying taking it up his sorry arse..

The top 25% are the ones who do not pay taxes, as they pay the fancy corp tax attorneys, those smart ones like Trump. Then they have off shore accounts and charitable foundations. The median and lower middle class support the wealthy and the poor.

And guess what would happen if you tried to get more taxes out of them. You would not succeed. The best way to get a rich guy to pay more in taxes is to get him to spend more, and raising tax rates isn't going to do that.

 

[hadit]

Trump has a degree in economics from Wharton.

paid for by daddy's money........Trump was, is and will always be an idiot....rich, but still an idiot.

Keep believing that. I hear it helps when the voices get too loud.

 

[hadit]

corporations wont pull up stakes and move their over sea operations back to the US if tax rates drop to ZERO ..

wont happen as long as they can get cheap ass labor.

the end.

The whole point of the tax cut is to encourage corporation to bring their overseas profits back to the US, not to bring jobs back. Currently they're holding the money offshore, because they will be taxed at their current rates on the amount they bring home.

While I agree that moneys which have been taxes overseas, should not be double taxed when it comes home, I strongly disagree with the notion that multi-nationals are paying 35%.

The only corporations paying the top rate are small, closely held corporations. The effective rate for large multi-nations is in the neighbourhood ot 10 - 15%. So the proposed cuts will benefit large multi-nationals most of all.

the $ isnt double taxed ... and those profits that make it back home do what, start a business, or go into an investment portfolio ?

The right seems to think that these corporations will use the money to create jobs. Given that these same corporations are already awash in cash, and could easily expand and hire using those $$$ and haven't, I seriously doubt that ANY of the money currently off=shore will be used for anything other than dividends and executive bonuses.

Dividends that many of the elderly depend on.

 

[hadit]

corporations wont pull up stakes and move their over sea operations back to the US if tax rates drop to ZERO ..

wont happen as long as they can get cheap ass labor.

the end.

Where are they going to go. They are in Kurdistan and Iraq now. Not too many undeveloped places left, til we create them. China's labor is going up, and hopefully Mexicans will start asking for more money, the way I see it, its the workers against the Corps. With the Gop killing unions here expect wages to be stagnant, and you will work more and get paid less.

Now that the US is approaching full employment, wages are rising, but Obama had to replace ALL of the jobs that W lost, and keep up with new people entering the labour force, for the past 7 years to get to this point.

So there was an arbitrary time limit of 7 years, and now Trump has no leeway to make up for Obama's mistakes.

 

[JimH52]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

So Democrat administrations had to show how cuts would be paid for. But repubs just have to assert economic growth will pay.

How has that worked out in the past?

GOP = HYPOCRISY

 

[Penelope]

Trump is cutting the size of government, that means less spending. When you spend less you don't have to take in as much taxes. I bet you libtards failed in economics, didn't ya?

Trump has a degree in economics from Wharton.

That doesn't mean he went to class or that he learned anything. For all you know, he could have paid someone to do his assignments and essays. Trump was never a great student, so I doubt he passed without all of the assistance that money can buy.

and yet he's president and a billionaire.

How much he has is questionable. The real question would be how much would he have now if he hadn't had to file bankruptcy six times. For someone born with a silver spoon in his mouth and a million dollar loan from his dad over 40 years ago, he hasn't done all that well.

Answer: He would have less because his companies were allowed to fail instead of costing enormous amounts of money. You do know that Trump's companies filed, but he himself did not, correct?

That makes him a bad businessman.

 

[Penelope]

Trump has a degree in economics from Wharton.

paid for by daddy's money........Trump was, is and will always be an idiot....rich, but still an idiot.

Keep believing that. I hear it helps when the voices get too loud.

Trump, start business, incorporate, pay yourself well, file bankruptcy, do over and over and over again.

 

[Penelope]

The top 25% of income earners pay 85% of the taxes that the government takes in, yet even when shown this chart by the IRS, liberals WONT pull their heads out of Uranus.
Bottom 50% pay in 3%. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

You're still a stupid fuck head....OBVIOUSLY you should send a couple of bucks to some billionaires to show how you're so damn hurt you are that they're paying so damn much and they have to use last year's Lear jet instead of buying a new one....Go on, moron, where's your compassion?

Somehow, morons like the above poster have so so THOROUGHLY bullshitted from billionaire lobbyists, that he is actually enjoying taking it up his sorry arse..

The top 25% are the ones who do not pay taxes, as they pay the fancy corp tax attorneys, those smart ones like Trump. Then they have off shore accounts and charitable foundations. The median and lower middle class support the wealthy and the poor.

And guess what would happen if you tried to get more taxes out of them. You would not succeed. The best way to get a rich guy to pay more in taxes is to get him to spend more, and raising tax rates isn't going to do that.

You mean by remodeling more homes, having a huge yacht built, hiring a butler, several maids, a cook, a groundskeeper, a personal shopper, buying a jet, having a personal pilot, having tailor made clothes, a personal trainer, and paying them via your corporation to have a tax write off or pay them under the table.

 

[nat4900]

Trump, start business, incorporate, pay yourself well, file bankruptcy, do over and over and over again.

Well, THAT is why is has to go to Russian banks to borrow money since virtually NO American banks trust the orange charlatan with any loans......He cheats, he defaults, he screws subcontractors..........Of course, Russian banks have an "interest" rate on him....and it isn't in money.........tax returns disclosure, anyone?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

Just in?

What fucking rock have you been living under? His rate proposal has been known for months if not a year.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

Just in?

What fucking rock have you been living under? His rate proposal has been known for months if not a year.

Okay, dimwit, I'll go back one year:

U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said on Sunday he was open to raising taxes on the rich, backing off his prior proposal to reduce taxes on all Americans and breaking with one of his party's core policies dating back to the 1990s.
"I am willing to pay more, and you know what, the wealthy are willing to pay more," Trump told ABC's "This
Week."

Trump changes tune on tax hikes for wealthy Americans

My advice to you? Stop posting until you know what you're talking about.

 

[nat4900]

Trump changes tune on tax hikes for wealthy Americans

My advice to you? Stop posting until you know what you're talking about.

Yes, Grampa's senility is a sad affair; hopefully he'll always find someone to turn is 'puter on for him......

 

[Wry Catcher]

It goes beyond just the 2 million federal workers. The entire defense industry is funded by the Federal Government. General Dynamics, Lockheed, Raytheon....all survive off of taxpayer dollars
Major infrastructure relies on federal funding....that's a lot of jobs
Civilian federal jobs are as real as any other job

Those civilian jobs are there, because of the defense of this nation. With out this Nation, there wouldn't be a federal government to GIVE all you worthless liberal fucks your welfare, your free cellphone, your free healthcare. You would be like the old USSR where you HAD to work at the point of a gun or end up in a Siberian Gulag, where you would die in 10 years not getting all that free stuff, because only working people got just enough to survive. That is how stupid you Commies, are, for there were not any people jumping over the wall to get to Communist Russia, but jumping over to get to the FREE capital west. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

Gulag: Soviet Forced Labor Camps and the Struggle for Freedom

During their non-working hours, prisoners typically lived in a camp zone surrounded by a fence or barbed wire, overlooked by armed guards in watch towers. The zone contained a number of overcrowded, stinking, poorly-heated barracks. Life in a camp zone was brutal and violent. Prisoners competed for access to all of life’s necessities, and violence among the prisoners was commonplace. If they survived hunger, disease, the harsh elements, heavy labor, and their fellow prisoners, they might succumb to arbitrary violence at the hands of camp guards. All the while, prisoners were watched by informers—fellow prisoners always looking for some misstep to report to Gulag authorities.

We the People created a government "of the people, by the people and for the people"
The government IS us

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people.

So you can see this guy is clearly a COMMIE by his own words, so Mr. Commie, how well do you like the way the Post Office or DMV works? The Constitution(the documents you lefties despise) was created so each individual can achieve their own success and happiness, with their God given gifts. When you lefttards take God away, all that is left is a suppressing government who takes at will what they want and give nothing in return except liberal equality. Everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. The war is coming, and it will be between ideologies of Good(GOD) vs Evil(Lucifer).

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

 

[Rustic]

Those civilian jobs are there, because of the defense of this nation. With out this Nation, there wouldn't be a federal government to GIVE all you worthless liberal fucks your welfare, your free cellphone, your free healthcare. You would be like the old USSR where you HAD to work at the point of a gun or end up in a Siberian Gulag, where you would die in 10 years not getting all that free stuff, because only working people got just enough to survive. That is how stupid you Commies, are, for there were not any people jumping over the wall to get to Communist Russia, but jumping over to get to the FREE capital west. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

Gulag: Soviet Forced Labor Camps and the Struggle for Freedom

We the People created a government "of the people, by the people and for the people"
The government IS us

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people.

So you can see this guy is clearly a COMMIE by his own words, so Mr. Commie, how well do you like the way the Post Office or DMV works? The Constitution(the documents you lefties despise) was created so each individual can achieve their own success and happiness, with their God given gifts. When you lefttards take God away, all that is left is a suppressing government who takes at will what they want and give nothing in return except liberal equality. Everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. The war is coming, and it will be between ideologies of Good(GOD) vs Evil(Lucifer).

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

You do realize nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

 

[JimH52]

Trump, start business, incorporate, pay yourself well, file bankruptcy, do over and over and over again.

Well, THAT is why is has to go to Russian banks to borrow money since virtually NO American banks trust the orange charlatan with any loans......He cheats, he defaults, he screws subcontractors..........Of course, Russian banks have an "interest" rate on him....and it isn't in money.........tax returns disclosure, anyone?

Nixon's tax returns were leaked. Will another true Patriot in the IRS do the same for the Orange Clown? And his cult just drool at the mouth over his every word. Nazi Germany...1938...

 

[JimH52]

We the People created a government "of the people, by the people and for the people"
The government IS us

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people

The government exists to do those functions that are better performed collectively for the people than individually by the people.

So you can see this guy is clearly a COMMIE by his own words, so Mr. Commie, how well do you like the way the Post Office or DMV works? The Constitution(the documents you lefties despise) was created so each individual can achieve their own success and happiness, with their God given gifts. When you lefttards take God away, all that is left is a suppressing government who takes at will what they want and give nothing in return except liberal equality. Everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. The war is coming, and it will be between ideologies of Good(GOD) vs Evil(Lucifer).

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

You do realize nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

First Amendment - U.S. Constitution. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Religion.

 

[Rustic]

So you can see this guy is clearly a COMMIE by his own words, so Mr. Commie, how well do you like the way the Post Office or DMV works? The Constitution(the documents you lefties despise) was created so each individual can achieve their own success and happiness, with their God given gifts. When you lefttards take God away, all that is left is a suppressing government who takes at will what they want and give nothing in return except liberal equality. Everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS. The war is coming, and it will be between ideologies of Good(GOD) vs Evil(Lucifer).

Reagan , contra iran. The alt right Christians put him in, or he'd have no chance. Is that all you have, we have FDR, JFK, LBJ and many more, Clinton , Obama. Hopefully we will get another Roman Catholic President who is not a Christian lunatic and understands the separation of Church and State.

Show us in the constitution where it says separation of church and state?

As posted above you are limited intellectually, and in you knowledge base, i.e. education: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ...."; you might have someone read to you and help you understand the first amendment - which is under attack by President Trump with his constant attacks on the free press.

You do realize nowhere in the Constitution does it say separation of church and state?

First Amendment - U.S. Constitution. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Religion.

Waiting

 

[irosie91]

He doesn't care about the debt, he only cares for the elites and his corps and his buddies corps. He will bankrupt the US like his companies.

The top 25% of income earners pay 85% of the taxes that the government takes in, yet even when shown this chart by the IRS, liberals WONT pull their heads out of Uranus.
Bottom 50% pay in 3%. Just cant get more stupid than a liberal.

You're still a stupid fuck head....OBVIOUSLY you should send a couple of bucks to some billionaires to show how you're so damn hurt you are that they're paying so damn much and they have to use last year's Lear jet instead of buying a new one....Go on, moron, where's your compassion?

Somehow, morons like the above poster have so so THOROUGHLY bullshitted from billionaire lobbyists, that he is actually enjoying taking it up his sorry arse..

The top 25% are the ones who do not pay taxes, as they pay the fancy corp tax attorneys, those smart ones like Trump. Then they have off shore accounts and charitable foundations. The median and lower middle class support the wealthy and the poor.

And guess what would happen if you tried to get more taxes out of them. You would not succeed. The best way to get a rich guy to pay more in taxes is to get him to spend more, and raising tax rates isn't going to do that.

You mean by remodeling more homes, having a huge yacht built, hiring a butler, several maids, a cook, a groundskeeper, a personal shopper, buying a jet, having a personal pilot, having tailor made clothes, a personal trainer, and paying them via your corporation to have a tax write off or pay them under the table.

very vulgar and very stupid people KNOW so much.-------the dimmer they are the MORE THEY "KNOW".
There are people so vulgar and disgusting that with no evidence at all they ACCUSE those of whom they are jealous of "LIVING IT UP AND PAYING SHILLS UNDER THE TABLE 'ON THE CORPORATE
ACCOUNT' The really stupid people seem to know that a "TAX WRITE OFF" is something like ----the government sends HUGE CHECKS -----such people are correctly called shitty bitches. All they have to hear
is "corporation" and the little scum SEE **** MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY **** falling out of the
sky. Of course PENNY NEVER TOOK A DEDUCTION on her taxes----assuming she files at all. For those who do not know----although most of \you are not as stupid as penny and therefore DO KNOW--------your local mom and pop hamburger joint is \probably incorporated-------and may very well be struggling because CORPORATE TAXES are high. Most mom and pop little lunch businesses fail-------ie THE GO BANKRUPT-----no fun for mom and pop. No-----they didn't make off with millions

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump Wants Tax Plan to Cut Corporate Rate to 15%

"WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump has ordered White House aides to draft a tax plan that slashes the corporate tax rate to 15%, even if that means a loss of revenue, according to people familiar with the directive.

During a meeting in the Oval Office last week, Mr. Trump told staff he wants a massive tax cut to sell to the American public, these people said. He told aides it was less important to him that such a plan could add to the federal budget deficit..."

(and no you don't need the rest of the article (subscribers only) to get the point)

There it is. Trump effectively conceded that a huge corporate tax cut may very well balloon the deficit...

...and he doesn't care. I doubt that many of the big money corporate interests that apparently have Trump in their pocket care either.

Here's another look:

Trump Wants to Slash the Corporate Tax Rate to 15%: WSJ

The federal government has no claim on perceived taxes, Cut taxes help the American people immensely. Fact

False. If those tax cuts result in loss of Obamacare subsidies, or a lower standard of education, or the infrastructure continues to crumble as a result, these things are HURTING, not helping.

The US is losing jobs because your population is NOT well educated, and your infrastructure is crumbling, not just because of high labour costs. Countries like Ireland have spent heavily on infrastructure and have a better education system than the US. Yes, they have a low tax rate, but so does Mynamar and I don't see American companies lining up to relocate there.

The far left is loosing all over the world and they prove they do not understand why!

First off, I am not a member of the "far left", I'm a member of the moderate left. And moderate leftists are still in control of MOST of the first world.

The racist zenophobe LOST the French election, and was soundly defeated. There are no right wing governments in control of any first world nations and with good reason. The US is the outlier here. The US has been sinking like a stone in every world standing since the days of Ronald Reagan.

Your country has dropped in education rankings, corruption, and liveability. Things got better under Obama but now that the Republicans are in control of the government again, I fully expect another melt-down of the US economy within 5 years of the tax cuts being implements.