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Originally posted by Russlan1187
New Guy, if you think that Muslims believe that infidels should always be killed I want you to answer this question for me. If this belief was true how come Jews and Christians lived peacefully in Muslim lands for centuries. Muslims could have easily killed them all as the Muslim empire was the strongest in the world and Europe was in the Dark Ages and unable to protect them?
Muslims believe that all people have the right to live no matter what they believe as long as they don't attempt to harm Islam. If they do they shoud be killed.
Originally posted by gop_jeff
Actually, the Muslim Empire did try to make inroads into Europe, but succeeded only in holding Spain and the Balkan Peninsula for any period of time. They were turned back in Southern France around 900 AD and forced back across the Pyrennes. So to answer your question, the Muslim Empire didn't kill all the Christians in Europe because they weren't able.
Originally posted by gop_jeff
Actually, the Muslim Empire did try to make inroads into Europe, but succeeded only in holding Spain and the Balkan Peninsula for any period of time. They were turned back in Southern France around 900 AD and forced back across the Pyrennes. So to answer your question, the Muslim Empire didn't kill all the Christians in Europe because they weren't able.
Originally posted by Russlan1187
The Koran states that Muslims, Jews, and Christians can all enter heaven right. The problem most Americans have is they have very little knowledge of Islam except what they are told by people with biased and uninformed opinions. Here is the aforementioned verse
Those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts;any of them who believe in God and the last day, and lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear nor will they grieve. (2:62)
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
what basis or supporting evidence do you have for that?
Originally posted by NewGuy
We already covered this in other threads, DK. The muslim section has a few verses and my "prove it 2" thread did as well. I have pointed you to it before. You even responded in it.
Are you trying to defend the religion?
Originally posted by Russlan1187
New Guy, if you think that Muslims believe that infidels should always be killed I want you to answer this question for me. If this belief was true how come Jews and Christians lived peacefully in Muslim lands for centuries.
Muslims could have easily killed them all as the Muslim empire was the strongest in the world and Europe was in the Dark Ages and unable to protect them?
Muslims believe that all people have the right to live no matter what they believe as long as they don't attempt to harm Islam. If they do they shoud be killed.
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
Wow, take out christ as god(in the trinity) and input allah, what do you have?
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
as I have no declared religion, its hard for me to defend one or the other. Don't try to put me on the defensive for my curiosity.
I'll tell you that my childhood and adolescent years were not filled with sunday's in church and though I was able to learn a little bit about judeo christian religion, I had, and have, a difficult time accepting that jesus is god, but is a prophet of god.
29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Originally posted by NewGuy
A jacked up incorrect text that cannot Biblically prove its self, nor historically back it up.
Originally posted by Russlan1187
New Guy, you still haven't answered my question. If Muslims believe that all Jews and Christians are infidels that should be killed how come they lived in the Middle East for centuries?
An infidel is someone who attempts to harm Islam.
Before Islam Arabs were Idol worshippers. Muslim believe in a Supreme Being that is all powerful, called God in English and Allah in Arabic.
The Koran does say that Muslims shouldn't take Jews and Christians as friends but they should be friendly and respectful to them. The reason they say this is because throughout history Jews and Christians have often planned to harm Muslims. The koran was revealed before the Crusades and today's current events.
I have to go to work so I'll respond to this post later.
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
and that would be YOUR interpretation. as i said, interpretation is a strange animal.
would you be happier if I just bowed and said 'yes father, your's is the one true god, all others are false before him'?
Originally posted by NewGuy
That is not interpretation.
Do you want the original greek wording?
(KJV) Mark 8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
(Greek NT - Textus Rec.) Mark 8:29 kai autoV legei autoiV umeiV de tina me legete einai apokriqeiV de o petroV legei autw su ei o cristoV
(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) Mark 8:29 kai <2532> {AND} autoV <846> {HE} legei <3004> (5719) {SAYS} autoiV <846> {TO THEM,} umeiV <5210> de <1161> {BUT YE,} tina <5101> {WHOM} me <3165> {ME} legete <3004> (5719) {DO YE PRONOUNCE} einai <1511> (5750) {TO BE?} apokriqeiV <611> (5679) {ANSWERING} de <1161> o <3588> {AND} petroV <4074> {PETER} legei <3004> (5719) {SAYS} autw <846> {TO HIM,} su <4771> ei <1488> (5748) {THOU ART} o <3588> {THE} cristoV <5547> {CHRIST.}
Originally posted by dilloduck
I see russ is having a problem with your funamentalism too-----are you avoiding the chat room that I made for us?
Originally posted by NewGuy
For the complete analysis of the linguistics: http://www.olivetree.com/bible/index.html
