CDZ The Race to Success

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    It is certainly dogmatic and authoritarian, that's for sure.

    Heaven forbid anybody ever disagree with the victim industry that places blame for lack of success on anybody BUT the person whose attitude is so hostile to success that they crippled themselves. Making excuses for bad behavior only encourages more bad behavior. When you take a group with one shin color and remove responsibility for their actions, all you do is feed the very things responsible for their lack of success.

    It is just too easy for some people to just continue with their pre-packaged orthodoxy, I guess.
     
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    Yes, thinking with feelings instead of their heads, as the the man(And the rest of the left) try to beat people over their heads with false guilt over being more successful than other people.

    It doesn't matter how advantages and disadvantages affect others, everyone is personally responsible for their own success in life. What people have or don't have when they finally kick the bucket is their own responsibility, as nobody is entitled to anything in life.

    No, people don't CARE about those who don't win. Losers are generally ignored, and they should be, because everyone should care about themselves and their own success first and foremost, and those who are failures have only themselves to blame, because they're not entitled to anything anyone else has.

    THIS didn't become a trend until the left stopped hiding that they're raging Socialists, what the point of this thread is should be obvious to everyone.
     
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    I appreciate you not being cynical, but being such a sweet person is why you're wrong here.
     
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    I don't consider such indoctrination to be a simple exercise, myself. It was called "eye opening" when the real objective is quite the opposite.

    The exercise is not about opening minds, but forming them. It is a product of the authoritarian left's obsession with identity politics, replete with the de rigueur divisions accordingly.

    When I was cutting my political teeth, liberals wished to establish a color blind society. For today's illiberal left, a color blind society is anathema to their rigid and divisive agenda.
     
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    You made yourself clear.

    I could quibble about one piece of your remarks, but there's no point in my doing so for the fact is I agree with 99% of what you wrote and the way you presented your thought.
     
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    My apologies. I was making a comparison to New Orleans, where people do literally get gunned down in the street. I was not alluding to anything else. In no way am I minimizing another's experience.

    What I am trying to say is that these are the same people. I am only an hour away from New Orleans, which consistently ranks in the top 5 (sometimes #1) states for murder and gang violence. We descend from the same stock. We are French Catholic culture with vibrant splashes of Haitian, NA, Caribbian and Creole flavor. The difference (as far as I can see) is family, community and even church structure. There are other factors, of course, even significant ones.

    I do see what's going on out in the world. However, I also see what it is (or can be) when the majority of families are functional. The norm can be (because it is here, so must be elsewhere as well) 2 functional adults both raising their children, even if divorced. I know these families, usually 3 generations. They are sacrificing to help their child, so I am told very personal information, almost always including detailed family life. These are good people who were raised well themselves, both black and white. They are no different. There is still inequality. Some are poor, some are not. Two are scholarship (pro-bono), one is charity (local Catholic church) and a few are paid by grandparents. New Orleans is different, IMO, largely because the family structure broke down.

    I cannot speak to several facets of the whole issue. Like I said, I've been sheltered. I've lived here, WA state and Vancouver, where racial strife is limited to a part of the big city or "over there" somewhere.
     
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    TY for the clarifying/explanatory remarks. I understand now what you were meaning. In essence, I agree with your sentiments.
     
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    Yeah, and many of the people that had to stay back didn't even attempt to run the race. They were too busy being oppressed.

    While it's true that life isn't fair, life is a marathon not a sprint. Hard work and determination can overcome the adversities of life. Also, the race of life does not have only one finish line and only one winner. We each can create our own finish lines and create our own prizes.
     
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    Actually...no, I can't. I think it's an eye opener for all kids, because it's easy to take for granted your advantages - who ever needs to think about them? The end showed how thought provoking it was.
     
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    Yes, it was and those are good points - but, equally important is realizing some of us have advantages that others don't. Maybe they have to be ten times better than ordinary to get past them. Or maybe they get lucky. And for some, even with advantages, they don't "win" the race.

    The video really had two messages to take in - the one you pointed out, at the scene at the end (great point you made) - and the one at the beginning, where the advantages were pointed out and how some people started ahead and others behind.
     

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