The only proper purpose of a government

[g5000]

Straw man argument?
Good way to completely marginalize your input on the matter.

Looks like you need a refresher in logic 101.

That's EXACTLY what you are proposing. (regardless of cutesy emoticons).
How often do you see people resort to personal insults and emoticons when they have no real counter-argument?

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

One of the big problems with the mindset of Libertarians is the completely preposterous notion that corporations would work for the higher good without government regulation. History has definitively proven otherwise time and time and time and time again.

 

[Oddball]

You fools are advocating a return to the days of the utterly corrupt guild system which was guilty of the very things of which you accuse the federal regulatory system.

No one is proposing that. The guilds were similar to unions. They could force people to follow their dictates. The organizations listed above don't have any authorization to compel anyone to do anything. They are purely sources of information.

Sources of information which are easily corrupted, acting as shills for their corporate sponsors. No thanks, we already have enough of that.

And your evidence that we have any less of it under the current paradigm is....?

 

[nodoginnafight]

The REAL problem behind Libertarianism anarchism, and anarcho-_________ (fill in the blank with anything) is that it is, at its core, a utopian fantasy of "the way things ought to be" that quickly crumbles in the real world.

That's WHY you don't see it working anywhere. You may see some locales that dabble with some of the ideas for a short time before people who were stupid enough to actually try it, realize their mistake and reverse coarse. None of these political philosophies have ever survived on even a medium-sized scale for any length of time.

 

[Sallow]

That's EXACTLY what you are proposing. (regardless of cutesy emoticons).
How often do you see people resort to personal insults and emoticons when they have no real counter-argument?

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

One of the big problems with the mindset of Libertarians is the completely preposterous notion that corporations would work for the higher good without government regulation. History has definitively proven otherwise time and time and time and time again.

That..and no nation has ever been started by a corporation.

Corporations are entirely the function of people seeking profit.

Not the common good.

 

[Oddball]

That's EXACTLY what you are proposing. (regardless of cutesy emoticons).
How often do you see people resort to personal insults and emoticons when they have no real counter-argument?

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

One of the big problems with the mindset of Libertarians is the completely preposterous notion that corporations would work for the higher good without government regulation. History has definitively proven otherwise time and time and time and time again.

Corporations don't exist without assent and charter from gubmint....That which you rail against is created by those you seek to protect you.

And turning the regulatory processes over to the marketplace doesn't automatically equal no regulation at all.

Double straw man fail.

 

[Sallow]

The REAL problem behind Libertarianism anarchism, and anarcho-_________ (fill in the blank with anything) is that it is, at its core, a utopian fantasy of "the way things ought to be" that quickly crumbles in the real world.

That's WHY you don't see it working anywhere. You may see some locales that dabble with some of the ideas for a short time before people who were stupid enough to actually try it, realize their mistake and reverse coarse. None of these political philosophies have ever survived on even a medium-sized scale for any length of time.

It's working in Somalia..

I wonder why Libertarians aren't moving there in droves.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi_wZMYY_PM]Irtokte Gun market in Mogadishu, Somalia - YouTube[/ame]

Totally free market!

 

[Oddball]

Ahh...The stale old anarchy straw man...Right on schedule...

 

[Koios]

Straw man argument?
Good way to completely marginalize your input on the matter.

Looks like you need a refresher in logic 101.

That's EXACTLY what you are proposing. (regardless of cutesy emoticons).
How often do you see people resort to personal insults and emoticons when they have no real counter-argument?

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

Ahhh, Righties. How's that hook feeling in your mouth?

Have you the slightest grasp of where the regs are authored and the function they perform?

Where: by lobbyists, very often, who merely pay lip-service to the notion of less regulation, since dumbfucks eat it up and do not see what in fact is going on. Works like a charm.

Why: removes free-market forces which would increase competition and cause price-compression. Larger concerns, with not only the resources to lobby government to the tune of $10s of millions, but also the money to fund large "compliance departments," can preserve a near monopoly, or at least more monopolize their markets, insuring vastly greater profits. Take anyone who's going on and on about "free-markets" and bet me they aren't bending over backward trying to diminish free-market forces and monopolize their sector to the exent possible, in service of the larger players in their industry.

 

[bripat9643]

Caveat Emptor ???
No thanks.
Good way to crash the economy.

Lot of folks here need a refresher on History 101.

How does Caveat Emptor crash the economy?

I love the way liberals think they can just regurgitate some magic words they don't understand, and that wins the debate for them.

 

[Oddball]

That's EXACTLY what you are proposing. (regardless of cutesy emoticons).
How often do you see people resort to personal insults and emoticons when they have no real counter-argument?

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

Ahhh, Righties. How's that hook feeling in your mouth?

Have you the slightest grasp of where the regs are authored and the function they perform?

Where: by lobbyists, very often, who merely pay lip-service to the notion of less regulation, since dumbfucks eat it up and do not see what in fact is going on. Works like a charm.

Why: removes free-market forces which would increase competition and cause price-compression. Larger concerns, with not only the resources to lobby government to the tune of $10s of millions, but also the money to fund large "compliance departments," can preserve a near monopoly, or at least more monopolize their markets, insuring vastly greater profits. Take anyone who's going on and on about "free-markets" and bet me they aren't bending over backward trying to diminish free-market forces and monopolize their sector to the exent possible, in service of the larger players in their industry.

And all having a central gubmint running those agencies does is give those lobbyists a single, one-stop place to ply their trade and buy off the regulators.

Good job, comrade.

 

[Dick Tuck]

"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.

But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his"-Ayn Rand

The bitch also collected social security payments, didn't she?

 

[kwc57]

Ahh...The stale old anarchy straw man...Right on schedule...

I'm wondering if Obama has promised the service of government ass-wipers for these folks? None of them think they can do anything without the government handling it for them. Ass wiping is part of the social contract. If we all pitch in and wipe each other's asses, no one has to wipe their own.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Caveat Emptor ???
No thanks.
Good way to crash the economy.

Lot of folks here need a refresher on History 101.

How does Caveat Emptor crash the economy?

I love the way liberals think they can just regurgitate some magic words they don't understand, and that wins the debate for them.

Try the U.S. Stock Market of October 29, 1929 for starters. Caveat Emptor gone wild.

 

[Koios]

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

Ahhh, Righties. How's that hook feeling in your mouth?

Have you the slightest grasp of where the regs are authored and the function they perform?

Where: by lobbyists, very often, who merely pay lip-service to the notion of less regulation, since dumbfucks eat it up and do not see what in fact is going on. Works like a charm.

Why: removes free-market forces which would increase competition and cause price-compression. Larger concerns, with not only the resources to lobby government to the tune of $10s of millions, but also the money to fund large "compliance departments," can preserve a near monopoly, or at least more monopolize their markets, insuring vastly greater profits. Take anyone who's going on and on about "free-markets" and bet me they aren't bending over backward trying to diminish free-market forces and monopolize their sector to the exent possible, in service of the larger players in their industry.

And all having a central gubmint running those agencies does is give those lobbyists a single, one-stop place to ply their trade and buy off the regulators.

Good job, comrade.

Nice job of swallowing the hook, line and sinker, you abject fucking retard.

 

[kwc57]

"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law.

But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his"-Ayn Rand

The bitch also collected social security payments, didn't she?

Douche nozzle say what?

 

[Dick Tuck]

No, it isn't.

The FDA could very handily be replaced by outfits like Underwriter's Laboratories or an entirely new private testing operation.

One of the big problems with the mindset of the lolberal central planner mindset is the completely preposterous noting that if Big Daddy Big Gubmint didn't do X, Y or Z, then nobody would do it.

One of the big problems with the mindset of Libertarians is the completely preposterous notion that corporations would work for the higher good without government regulation. History has definitively proven otherwise time and time and time and time again.

Corporations don't exist without assent and charter from gubmint....That which you rail against is created by those you seek to protect you.

And turning the regulatory processes over to the marketplace doesn't automatically equal no regulation at all.

Double straw man fail.

So you believe all corporation owners should be held liable?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Ahh...The stale old anarchy straw man...Right on schedule...

I'm wondering if Obama has promised the service of government ass-wipers for these folks? None of them think they can do anything without the government handling it for them. Ass wiping is part of the social contract. If we all pitch in and wipe each other's asses, no one has to wipe their own.

Ahhh create a straw man to claim "straw man"... interesting tactic
I've seen no evidence that these guys know what "straw man" means.

 

[bripat9643]

Food quality, drug safety. You really need this explained to you?

United States Army beef scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What evidence do you have that the FDA improved food quality or drug safety? One thing is certain, the FDA has vastly reduced the number of life-saving drugs available on the market. Thousands of people have died waiting for the FDA to approve numerous life-saving drugs.

The scandal you refer to involved the United States Army, another branch of government. So I fail to see what relevance it has to marketing food in the private market.

The case that brought the FDA into existance for starters. Some doctor was supending cough surp in anti-freeze. It worked, that is the medicine stayed in solution, but it killed several kids too.

Cough Syrup, Dead Children, and the Case for Regulation | Speakeasy Science

The FDA already existed at the time, so it seems your "solution" didn't prevent the tragedy. There are still cases of doctors using unapproved treatments that kill their patients.

 

[Oddball]

Ahh...The stale old anarchy straw man...Right on schedule...

I'm wondering if Obama has promised the service of government ass-wipers for these folks? None of them think they can do anything without the government handling it for them. Ass wiping is part of the social contract. If we all pitch in and wipe each other's asses, no one has to wipe their own.

Ahhh create a straw man to claim "straw man"... interesting tactic
I've seen no evidence that these guys know what "straw man" means.

Those equating the devolving approval processes like those at the FDA to no approval process whatsoever, further stretching that stupid argument to total anarchy, is a straw man argument.

Not surprising you're so facile-minded as to not be able to recognize that.

 

[bripat9643]

You fools are advocating a return to the days of the utterly corrupt guild system which was guilty of the very things of which you accuse the federal regulatory system.

No one is proposing that. The guilds were similar to unions. They could force people to follow their dictates. The organizations listed above don't have any authorization to compel anyone to do anything. They are purely sources of information.

Sources of information which are easily corrupted, acting as shills for their corporate sponsors. No thanks, we already have enough of that.

Then how do you explain Consumer Reports and Underwriters Laboratory?