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In what way?This post is declaring that "God" is not "One".
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In what way?This post is declaring that "God" is not "One".
"God" being "God", there cannot be "notGod".In what way?
So what I am hearing you say is the if God exists, then God cannot "not exist". Is that correct? If so then that is something that God cannot do, ie "not exist". Going back to your original comment, how does this make it so that God is not "one"?"God" being "God", there cannot be "notGod".
Neuro/Linguistic limitations condemn us to metaphorical descriptions at best when trying to speak of the unspeakable.
The human limitations of "logic" could not contain "God".So what I am hearing you say is the if God exists, then God cannot "not exist". Is that correct? If so then that is something that God cannot do, ie "not exist". Going back to your original comment, how does this make it so that God is not "one"?
God could be evil, and could be unjust, etc. But he chooses not to be.
I agree. That was my point in post #9.
He didn’t “have to”. But he did.Why would any Omnipotent God have to have Himself incarnated as His own Son, just to have that incarnate Son be tortured to death on a cross?
He didn’t “have to”. But he did.
Why would He do that?He didn’t “have to”. But he did.
And for some reason that really gets you riled up.the absurdity of the c-bible story speaks for itself - hawk believes they chose to live as an embryo inside a woman's body for 9 months ... really.
Because that is what he promised the Israelites.Why would He do that?
He promised the Jews of Israel that He would have Himself (in the form of His own Son) tortured to death on a cross?Because that is what he promised the Israelites.
It was his plan to save humanity.
Well it’s his redemption plan for humanity.He promised the Jews of Israel that He would have Himself (in the form of His own Son) tortured to death on a cross?
I don’t think so. But again: why would He make any such promise?
Why would God need or choose to sacrifice His own Son ant all, much less in such a horrifying fashion? He could accomplish His own goals without that ghoulish methodology.Well it’s his redemption plan for humanity.
If you have a problem with it, you’ll get your chance to ask him.
the point was that it is not that God cannot sin but that God chooses not to sin. Nobody is claiming that evil exists in the kingdom of heaven. We are merely claiming that God, as a free will agent chooses to always be good and not that some unknown force is forcing him to be good.evil does not exist in the heavens ... rather disingenuous to suggest anything else - the choice was made and will not be broken.
the absurdity of the c-bible story speaks for itself - hawk believes they chose to live as an embryo inside a woman's body for 9 months ... really.
And for some reason that really gets you riled up.
the point was that it is not that God cannot sin but that God chooses not to sin. Nobody is claiming that evil exists in the kingdom of heaven. We are merely claiming that God, as a free will agent chooses to always be good and not that some unknown force is forcing him to be good.
It is a matter of satisfying the demands of justice. If no unclean thing can enter the kingdom of heaven, then it is unjust to allow the sinner back into heaven. God overcomes this the demands of justice by creating another unjust situation that must be dealt with according to the demands of justice. God the Father being an immortal being cannot lay down his life because of his immortality. So he sends his firstborn son who is a spirit to this earth to be born with a body that can die. While on the earth, Jesus live a perfectly sinless life. Yet he becomes subject to suffering for the sins of all mankind. He is able to do this because he is part God. He is able to die because he is part mortal. So Jesus goes through the greatest of all injustices ever perpetrated on this earth. His suffering for the sins of all mankind is not a just act upon one who is sinless. He is a lamb without blemish and spot. Because of his unjust sufferings and because he was a sinless perfect being, the unjust suffer that he suffers, according to justice, must be recompensed. The recompense is according to justice to right a wrong that perpetrated upon him. The recompense must cover the extent to which he suffered. What is his recompense? He is granted the right to forgive anyone who repents of his sins and turns unto God. If a man sacrifices his sins by repenting, Jesus has the right, according to his just recompense to forgive that man. It is Jesus' just recompense to have the power to redeem the repentant soul. Jesus recompense along with mankind's repentance, according to justice, can overcome the demands of justice of keeping the sinner out of heaven. The law of justice has been satisfied and the law of mercy comes into effect.Why would God need or choose to sacrifice His own Son ant all, much less in such a horrifying fashion? He could accomplish His own goals without that ghoulish methodology.
No, you are wrong. God is the most free will being. Nobody or nothing forces God to be God. He does so of his own free will and choice. He chooses to always do good continually and will not sin. He has the power to do all things that are possible for a God to do but he chooses to be a good and holy being. He wants mankind to learn to choose, in and of themselves also to be good beings of their own free will and choice. Only in this way does one truly become a good being. Not by force but by free will choice.you are wrong - that is not a choice.
evil is expunged from those in the heavens - that's how they got there and how one is admitted, the triumph over evil.
can not be accomplished by who have overly sinned - they perish.
No, you are wrong. God is the most free will being. Nobody or nothing forces God to be God. He does so of his own free will and choice. He chooses to always do good continually and will not sin. He has the power to do all things that are possible for a God to do but he chooses to be a good and holy being. He wants mankind to learn to choose, in and of themselves also to be good beings of their own free will and choice. Only in this way does one truly become a good being. Not by force but by free will choice.