The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Challenger]

...By then the "Christian Jews" had already left, according to Eusebius...

Also known as, "the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity".

 

[Divine Wind]

...It's not OK with me when anyone takes another's land/country. But there are only 24 hours in a day and I can't spend all my time posting on every injustice. I see the conflict between native and Zionist colonist as the most obscene and unjust of them all, so I chose to post about it. Once this conflict is resolved, I'll go on to the next one, and the one after that. Understand me now?

What are your feelings about the European colonization of Africa and the Americas? The US genocidal campaign against indigenous natives? More obscene? "Bu...bu...but that's different!"?

 

[Challenger]

...It's not OK with me when anyone takes another's land/country. But there are only 24 hours in a day and I can't spend all my time posting on every injustice. I see the conflict between native and Zionist colonist as the most obscene and unjust of them all, so I chose to post about it. Once this conflict is resolved, I'll go on to the next one, and the one after that. Understand me now?

What are your feelings about the European colonization of Africa and the Americas? The US genocidal campaign against indigenous natives? More obscene? "Bu...bu...but that's different!"?

Do tell. But do it in the relevant forums, there's a good fellow. This one's about Israel and Palestine.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The main question is why in a huge world filled with war and strife the OP is about a tiny strip of sand.

Maybe because it's in the Israel/Palestine forum

Where's the Pakistan/India forum? Cambodia/Thailand forum?

Oh yeah, no Jews there.

By George I think he's got it....oh, but wait, there are Jewish people in India and Cambodia..and Thailand. Never mind, it's probably because those Jewish people aren't Zionists, didn't try to colonise those countries, disposess and oppress the natives, that there's no ongoing conflict between European settlers and native populations in those countries, so no point in having forums about them, is there?

So it's OK when Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims take land, but the second the United Nations hands a Jew a house, you shit a brick.

We understand you now.

Doubt it.

It's not OK with me when anyone takes another's land/country. But there are only 24 hours in a day and I can't spend all my time posting on every injustice. I see the conflict between native and Zionist colonist as the most obscene and unjust of them all, so I chose to post about it. Once this conflict is resolved, I'll go on to the next one, and the one after that. Understand me now?

As you sit on land stolen and claim it to be yours. You're a fkn hypocrite.

 

[Phoenall]

The main question is why in a huge world filled with war and strife the OP is about a tiny strip of sand.

Maybe because it's in the Israel/Palestine forum

Where's the Pakistan/India forum? Cambodia/Thailand forum?

Oh yeah, no Jews there.

By George I think he's got it....oh, but wait, there are Jewish people in India and Cambodia..and Thailand. Never mind, it's probably because those Jewish people aren't Zionists, didn't try to colonise those countries, disposess and oppress the natives, that there's no ongoing conflict between European settlers and native populations in those countries, so no point in having forums about them, is there?

Or it could be that the Jews in those countries are nothing less than slaves, and so are unable to fight back. Or there could be no islamonazi's there to tell LIES and spread BLOOD LIBELS about the Jews ?

 

[Phoenall]

...What matters is NOW, and a what matters is that any future must include the rights, dreams and recognition of both those peoples.

Squaring the circle, good luck with that. The Zionists don't want peace or reconcilliation, they want a "Jews only" state (or as near as makes no difference)- "Arabenrein". Palestinians want to be able to return to their homes of 1948 and be treated as equal citizens when they do. It's true some Palestinian extremists want every Zionist colonist out, and who can blame them, but the majority will settle for coexistance as equals in their homeland.

And yet you have failed to produce a link to that being official policy, unlike the many links to arab muslim charters that state they want the land free of the Jews.
Again you cant prove this as they dont want to live in Israel, they want to live in a Jew free palestine islamic caliphate. Look at the facts
BULLSHIT they all want it to be JUDENREIN as proven by their own words and actions, if they wanted to co-exist they would have forced their leaders to start peace talks with the Jews. No sign of any peace talks is there.

 

[Phoenall]

No French Jews are Jewish first, do you know any actual Jews well enough to meet with them socially. Would they eat the same food as you , dress the same as you, go to the same church as you. Or do they follow strict dietary rules, dress in different clothes to the norm and worship in a synagogue. Their culture is the polar opposite of your and they may follow your ideals but outside of public life they are very different. No matter where they live in the world they have kept their individual culture and follow the tenets of Judaism.

You cant be muslim and European as it is against islamic law, the cultural differences clash and some times are shown as violent episodes when the European culture forbids the muslums their islamic culture.

A slight disagreement. While what you say is true regarding Fundamentalists and other strict followers of a religion, as the stats have shown, many people in modern nations are falling away from strictly following any religion.

For cultural reasons, we see this more in the US than in Europe, but it also applies to Europe.

And the Soviets knew the truth of it, which is why they started the pogroms against the Jews and Catholics. With those two groups in existence they could never have full control over the people, so they made all religion illegal. This is what the neo marxists are hoping to do if they ever get back into power.

 

[Phoenall]

The main question is why in a huge world filled with war and strife the OP is about a tiny strip of sand.

Maybe because it's in the Israel/Palestine forum

Where's the Pakistan/India forum? Cambodia/Thailand forum?

Oh yeah, no Jews there.

By George I think he's got it....oh, but wait, there are Jewish people in India and Cambodia..and Thailand. Never mind, it's probably because those Jewish people aren't Zionists, didn't try to colonise those countries, disposess and oppress the natives, that there's no ongoing conflict between European settlers and native populations in those countries, so no point in having forums about them, is there?

So it's OK when Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims take land, but the second the United Nations hands a Jew a house, you shit a brick.

We understand you now.

Doubt it.

It's not OK with me when anyone takes another's land/country. But there are only 24 hours in a day and I can't spend all my time posting on every injustice. I see the conflict between native and Zionist colonist as the most obscene and unjust of them all, so I chose to post about it. Once this conflict is resolved, I'll go on to the next one, and the one after that. Understand me now?

Yet you see no problem with Egyptians claiming that the toilet in the 5 year old house in Israel was once their bedroom in 1947 before they were forced to leave. how much land have the muslims taken that was not theirs since 1948 ?

 

[Divine Wind]

And the Soviets knew the truth of it, which is why they started the pogroms against the Jews and Catholics. With those two groups in existence they could never have full control over the people, so they made all religion illegal. This is what the neo marxists are hoping to do if they ever get back into power.

While true, that isn't the point I was making.

FWIW, fuck the communists. Communism and Socialism invariably turn into dictatorships.

 

[Divine Wind]

The world would be boring if we all agreed, but look up the definitions of the words "majority" and "extremist", might help you understand my post.

LOL. Try reading a book or some other factual source. One fact is that 20%+ of the Israeli population is Arab. They are, indeed, living peacefully inside Israel. The assholes outside Israel proper, especially in Gaza, have no intention of living peacefully with any Jews.

http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf

http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/statistical/arab_pop08e.pdf

http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/hodaot2013n/11_13_097e.pdf

 

[Phoenall]

....Palestinians want to be able to return to their homes of 1948 and be treated as equal citizens when they do. It's true some Palestinian extremists want every Zionist colonist out, and who can blame them, but the majority will settle for coexistance as equals in their homeland.

Disagreed since they have to remove the Jews first. In their opinion, preferably in a box.

The world would be boring if we all agreed, but look up the definitions of the words "majority" and "extremist", might help you understand my post.

It doesn't seem to have worked for you as recent polls show the MAJORITY of islamonazi's in palestine are EXTREMISTS. As in more than half of the population of gaza and the west bank follow a form of islam that sees the genocide of the Jews as being the right thing to do.

 

[Phoenall]

...It's not OK with me when anyone takes another's land/country. But there are only 24 hours in a day and I can't spend all my time posting on every injustice. I see the conflict between native and Zionist colonist as the most obscene and unjust of them all, so I chose to post about it. Once this conflict is resolved, I'll go on to the next one, and the one after that. Understand me now?

What are your feelings about the European colonization of Africa and the Americas? The US genocidal campaign against indigenous natives? More obscene? "Bu...bu...but that's different!"?

Do tell. But do it in the relevant forums, there's a good fellow. This one's about Israel and Palestine.

maybe you should take heed of your own words, or are you magically exempt from following them

 

[Phoenall]

The world would be boring if we all agreed, but look up the definitions of the words "majority" and "extremist", might help you understand my post.

LOL. Try reading a book or some other factual source. One fact is that 20%+ of the Israeli population is Arab. They are, indeed, living peacefully inside Israel. The assholes outside Israel proper, especially in Gaza, have no intention of living peacefully with any Jews.

http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/isr_in_n10e.pdf

http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/statistical/arab_pop08e.pdf

http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/hodaot2013n/11_13_097e.pdf

And that is the same figure that the Ottomans found to be the population split when they held a census. The Jews were 80% and the arab muslims 20% or there abouts. The rest of the "palestinians" are illegal immigrants that arrived with the invading armies and stayed

 

[Phoenall]

...By then the "Christian Jews" had already left, according to Eusebius...

Also known as, "the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity".

Only according to you, but then anyone that supports the Jews is dishonest in your eyes

 

[Coyote]

I don't agree that Jews are "first nations", particularly given most left thousands of years ago, meanwhile the Palestinians include people who are descended from the same peoples the Jews are.

This is another argument for negating the rights of the Jewish people. Its the same argument used by the rest of Team Palestine, even with the attempt at subtlety.

No it isn't. So please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't base rights on indiginuity. That's nothing more than an attempt by Team Israel to negate rights to the group that is not indiginous.
In my opinion, rights of place belong to those who are there and have been there. Jews have been there for thousands of years, and so have Palestinians. They need to figure out how to share their land. That's my view towards rights and it doesn't disenfranchise either group.

The Jewish people "left", therefore they have no longer have rights. The Jewish people did not "leave". The Jewish people were genocided, ethnically cleansed and exiled. If you want to put forth the moral argument that genocide, ethnic cleansing and exile removes rights from people, in order to be consistent, you must apply that to the current conflict. Only the Palestinians who have not "left" have any rights.

A couple of points here. First, we are talking about events thousands of years ago. We are talking about a history that is largely narrated in a book of mythology - some stories are supported by archaeology, others are not. There is no way of knowing the accuracy of any accountings since, after all it is written by one people's view point. "Genocided, ethnically cleansed, and exiled" are not concepts that existed thousands of years ago, neither did the more rigourous vetting of historical narratives that modern reasearchers of history bring to the field. People fought, migrated, conquered, pillaged and raped with impunity and determining what really happened can be pretty far from clear so trying to apply modern concepts and terms to ancient events seems self serving. Even the concept of "rights" is a relatively recent one.

And, actually, I have stated this before: I don't feel those who have left have any special rights in regards to returning once generations have passed and they've created a home elsewhere. For example, the Palestinians that have immigrated to the US don't have any special rights to return. Same with the "right of return" - that exists only for those who were actually dispossed, not succeeding generations. I apply that equally to Jews and Palestinians. Any other rights are those granted by the state - in the case of Israel, the state has granted a "right of return" for Jews.

Of course the Arab Palestinians are descended from a mixture of the local population (the Jewish people) and the invaders. Who is arguing against that? That doesn't make them First Nations.

Why Team Israel of course.

So you are now denying historical facts to demonize the Jews the palestinians were the Jews until the early 1960's when the Soviets told arafat to give his people a name, and he chose filastins. In reality the arab muslims were evicted completely from the land in 1099 and never had any ownership or soveriegnty of the land since.


No we are talking a history that was written down by Greek, Assyrian, Jewish and Persian scribes for all to read. They are still available if you really want to educate yourself.
The concepts were known about and practiced widely by the arab muslims. By the 7C most cultures had ceased the depravities and started to look for settled lifestyles, the muslims were just beginning to flourish.

Does this apply to the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians then as they left according to their own accounts in 1947-1948, have they lost their rights if not why not ?

What international law introduced the right of return, and why hasn't it been enforced for the Jews and Jerusalem ?

Have you even read what I posted? If you had, you wouldn't need to ask those questions.

Yes I have and you have never actually addressed them The arab muslims that left in 1947-1948 have they still got the right to claim first nations status ?

Try as I might I cant find any international law that introduces right of return, because the muslims block it when it is raised as they dont want non muslims allowed to enter mecca.



Do you even bother to read more than just two links, and then only the ones that support your POV

Again. If you read what I posted you would not be asking these questions. I believe I've made my opinions on "right of return" and "first nations status" sufficiently clear and I see no reason to keep repeating myself.

 

[Coyote]

Why is it necessary to insist they have "First Nation" status ...

Because it is far too common in the world today, even at the top most international level to deny the Jewish people's history. Its a defense against an attack.

Why is it so necessary to deny the Jewish people "First Nations" status?

One doesn't have to be "First Nation" people's to have a right to their own history, culture and narratives.

Why is it so necessary to deny the Palestinians "First Nations" status?

At the same time why is it necessary to deny the Jews first nations status as you have done on this thread ?

I'm an equal opportunity denier. I deny them both first nations status. Do you?

No just as I dont deny the Amerindians first nation status. The evidence is piling up against the arab corner and they are looking for ways out Expect either another attack on Israel or a series of resolutions in the UN

Then you can hardly deny Palestinians first nations status, if your argument is to have any coherence.

 

[Coyote]

A large part of what we consider Jewish culture today comes from the interaction of Judaism with East European culture.

I don't think that statement is defensible. But the objective reality of this statement aside, you are doing EXACTLY the same thing that the rest of Team Palestine does -- which is to argue that the Jewish people in the diaspora are not really Jewish, but simply Europeans.

What's the resistance to just embracing the idea that the Jewish people's ancestral and spiritual homeland is Israel?

How is it not defensible? Jewish culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not arguing they are not "Jewish", you can be Jewish and European. I'm arguing that they don't really qualify as "First Nations" by that definition and the main reason this "First Nation" stuff is being pushed is as a way to create a divide between and heirarchy of rights in relation to Jews and Palestinians and that region of the world.

I have no objection to the idea that the Jewish people's ancestral and spiritual homeland is Israel - in fact, I acknowledged their deep cultural ties to the region. Why is it necessary to insist they have "First Nation" status in the face of the fact that the ancestral Jewish culture has changed through the mixing of the cultures they've adapted to and why is it so important to deny this? The Palestinians became Arabicized, not sure why it's taboo to note that Jews became Eurpeanized.

Thats just it you cant be Jewish and European at the same time, as Europeans are mostly Christians and the two cultures are like red and black.

Where do you get that idea? French Jews are French in culture, language and nationality. Religious differences are just that, religious differences. Same with British Jews. It's like claiming you can't be Muslim and European at the same time. You can.

No French Jews are Jewish first, do you know any actual Jews well enough to meet with them socially. Would they eat the same food as you , dress the same as you, go to the same church as you. Or do they follow strict dietary rules, dress in different clothes to the norm and worship in a synagogue. Their culture is the polar opposite of your and they may follow your ideals but outside of public life they are very different. No matter where they live in the world they have kept their individual culture and follow the tenets of Judaism.

You cant be muslim and European as it is against islamic law, the cultural differences clash and some times are shown as violent episodes when the European culture forbids the muslums their islamic culture.

Are you Jewish?

If you are, you should realize that many Jews do not keep kosher, eat at Taco Bell, dress in jeans and tshirts with funny slogens, wear birkenstocks, and speak the same language as I do.

You can certainly be Muslim and European and you can be Jewish and European and you can be Christian and European and you can be Pagan and European and you can be Jehovah's Witness and European.

 

[Phoenall]

This is another argument for negating the rights of the Jewish people. Its the same argument used by the rest of Team Palestine, even with the attempt at subtlety.

No it isn't. So please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't base rights on indiginuity. That's nothing more than an attempt by Team Israel to negate rights to the group that is not indiginous.
In my opinion, rights of place belong to those who are there and have been there. Jews have been there for thousands of years, and so have Palestinians. They need to figure out how to share their land. That's my view towards rights and it doesn't disenfranchise either group.

The Jewish people "left", therefore they have no longer have rights. The Jewish people did not "leave". The Jewish people were genocided, ethnically cleansed and exiled. If you want to put forth the moral argument that genocide, ethnic cleansing and exile removes rights from people, in order to be consistent, you must apply that to the current conflict. Only the Palestinians who have not "left" have any rights.

A couple of points here. First, we are talking about events thousands of years ago. We are talking about a history that is largely narrated in a book of mythology - some stories are supported by archaeology, others are not. There is no way of knowing the accuracy of any accountings since, after all it is written by one people's view point. "Genocided, ethnically cleansed, and exiled" are not concepts that existed thousands of years ago, neither did the more rigourous vetting of historical narratives that modern reasearchers of history bring to the field. People fought, migrated, conquered, pillaged and raped with impunity and determining what really happened can be pretty far from clear so trying to apply modern concepts and terms to ancient events seems self serving. Even the concept of "rights" is a relatively recent one.

And, actually, I have stated this before: I don't feel those who have left have any special rights in regards to returning once generations have passed and they've created a home elsewhere. For example, the Palestinians that have immigrated to the US don't have any special rights to return. Same with the "right of return" - that exists only for those who were actually dispossed, not succeeding generations. I apply that equally to Jews and Palestinians. Any other rights are those granted by the state - in the case of Israel, the state has granted a "right of return" for Jews.

Of course the Arab Palestinians are descended from a mixture of the local population (the Jewish people) and the invaders. Who is arguing against that? That doesn't make them First Nations.

Why Team Israel of course.

So you are now denying historical facts to demonize the Jews the palestinians were the Jews until the early 1960's when the Soviets told arafat to give his people a name, and he chose filastins. In reality the arab muslims were evicted completely from the land in 1099 and never had any ownership or soveriegnty of the land since.


No we are talking a history that was written down by Greek, Assyrian, Jewish and Persian scribes for all to read. They are still available if you really want to educate yourself.
The concepts were known about and practiced widely by the arab muslims. By the 7C most cultures had ceased the depravities and started to look for settled lifestyles, the muslims were just beginning to flourish.

Does this apply to the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians then as they left according to their own accounts in 1947-1948, have they lost their rights if not why not ?

What international law introduced the right of return, and why hasn't it been enforced for the Jews and Jerusalem ?

Have you even read what I posted? If you had, you wouldn't need to ask those questions.

Yes I have and you have never actually addressed them The arab muslims that left in 1947-1948 have they still got the right to claim first nations status ?

Try as I might I cant find any international law that introduces right of return, because the muslims block it when it is raised as they dont want non muslims allowed to enter mecca.



Do you even bother to read more than just two links, and then only the ones that support your POV

Again. If you read what I posted you would not be asking these questions. I believe I've made my opinions on "right of return" and "first nations status" sufficiently clear and I see no reason to keep repeating myself.

And you ignore the facts and reality that there is no legal right of return, it is just a concept that the arab muslims use to delegitamise Israel as the Jews national home. They take a UN resolution and try to turn it into an international law, and when they fail they wait a while and start again. This is in the hope that some semi literate people will believe their LIES and claim that the right of return is a legal requirement. Time for the UN, ICC and ICJ to issue a statement to the effect that there is no legal right of return for all people, just for those who's nations have put it into domestic law.

First nations staus can only be granted to those people with ties to the lands going back many years, it cant be granted to those people that migrated illegally and set up home

 

[Coyote]

No it isn't. So please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't base rights on indiginuity. That's nothing more than an attempt by Team Israel to negate rights to the group that is not indiginous.
In my opinion, rights of place belong to those who are there and have been there. Jews have been there for thousands of years, and so have Palestinians. They need to figure out how to share their land. That's my view towards rights and it doesn't disenfranchise either group.

A couple of points here. First, we are talking about events thousands of years ago. We are talking about a history that is largely narrated in a book of mythology - some stories are supported by archaeology, others are not. There is no way of knowing the accuracy of any accountings since, after all it is written by one people's view point. "Genocided, ethnically cleansed, and exiled" are not concepts that existed thousands of years ago, neither did the more rigourous vetting of historical narratives that modern reasearchers of history bring to the field. People fought, migrated, conquered, pillaged and raped with impunity and determining what really happened can be pretty far from clear so trying to apply modern concepts and terms to ancient events seems self serving. Even the concept of "rights" is a relatively recent one.

And, actually, I have stated this before: I don't feel those who have left have any special rights in regards to returning once generations have passed and they've created a home elsewhere. For example, the Palestinians that have immigrated to the US don't have any special rights to return. Same with the "right of return" - that exists only for those who were actually dispossed, not succeeding generations. I apply that equally to Jews and Palestinians. Any other rights are those granted by the state - in the case of Israel, the state has granted a "right of return" for Jews.

Why Team Israel of course.

So you are now denying historical facts to demonize the Jews the palestinians were the Jews until the early 1960's when the Soviets told arafat to give his people a name, and he chose filastins. In reality the arab muslims were evicted completely from the land in 1099 and never had any ownership or soveriegnty of the land since.


No we are talking a history that was written down by Greek, Assyrian, Jewish and Persian scribes for all to read. They are still available if you really want to educate yourself.
The concepts were known about and practiced widely by the arab muslims. By the 7C most cultures had ceased the depravities and started to look for settled lifestyles, the muslims were just beginning to flourish.

Does this apply to the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians then as they left according to their own accounts in 1947-1948, have they lost their rights if not why not ?

What international law introduced the right of return, and why hasn't it been enforced for the Jews and Jerusalem ?

Have you even read what I posted? If you had, you wouldn't need to ask those questions.

Yes I have and you have never actually addressed them The arab muslims that left in 1947-1948 have they still got the right to claim first nations status ?

Try as I might I cant find any international law that introduces right of return, because the muslims block it when it is raised as they dont want non muslims allowed to enter mecca.



Do you even bother to read more than just two links, and then only the ones that support your POV

Again. If you read what I posted you would not be asking these questions. I believe I've made my opinions on "right of return" and "first nations status" sufficiently clear and I see no reason to keep repeating myself.

And you ignore the facts and reality that there is no legal right of return, it is just a concept that the arab muslims use to delegitamise Israel as the Jews national home. They take a UN resolution and try to turn it into an international law, and when they fail they wait a while and start again. This is in the hope that some semi literate people will believe their LIES and claim that the right of return is a legal requirement. Time for the UN, ICC and ICJ to issue a statement to the effect that there is no legal right of return for all people, just for those who's nations have put it into domestic law.

First nations staus can only be granted to those people with ties to the lands going back many years, it cant be granted to those people that migrated illegally and set up home

Man, you really can't read.

I'm ignoring nothing.

First Nations: First Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neither Jews nor Palestinians qualify as "First Nations" - ties to land alone do not make them so. The only reason to attempt to stretch the definition to fit is in order to claim special rights for one and desenfranchise the other.

 

[Phoenall]

So you are now denying historical facts to demonize the Jews the palestinians were the Jews until the early 1960's when the Soviets told arafat to give his people a name, and he chose filastins. In reality the arab muslims were evicted completely from the land in 1099 and never had any ownership or soveriegnty of the land since.


No we are talking a history that was written down by Greek, Assyrian, Jewish and Persian scribes for all to read. They are still available if you really want to educate yourself.
The concepts were known about and practiced widely by the arab muslims. By the 7C most cultures had ceased the depravities and started to look for settled lifestyles, the muslims were just beginning to flourish.

Does this apply to the arab muslims calling themselves palestinians then as they left according to their own accounts in 1947-1948, have they lost their rights if not why not ?

What international law introduced the right of return, and why hasn't it been enforced for the Jews and Jerusalem ?

Have you even read what I posted? If you had, you wouldn't need to ask those questions.

Yes I have and you have never actually addressed them The arab muslims that left in 1947-1948 have they still got the right to claim first nations status ?

Try as I might I cant find any international law that introduces right of return, because the muslims block it when it is raised as they dont want non muslims allowed to enter mecca.



Do you even bother to read more than just two links, and then only the ones that support your POV

Again. If you read what I posted you would not be asking these questions. I believe I've made my opinions on "right of return" and "first nations status" sufficiently clear and I see no reason to keep repeating myself.

And you ignore the facts and reality that there is no legal right of return, it is just a concept that the arab muslims use to delegitamise Israel as the Jews national home. They take a UN resolution and try to turn it into an international law, and when they fail they wait a while and start again. This is in the hope that some semi literate people will believe their LIES and claim that the right of return is a legal requirement. Time for the UN, ICC and ICJ to issue a statement to the effect that there is no legal right of return for all people, just for those who's nations have put it into domestic law.

First nations staus can only be granted to those people with ties to the lands going back many years, it cant be granted to those people that migrated illegally and set up home

Man, you really can't read.

I'm ignoring nothing.

First Nations: First Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neither Jews nor Palestinians qualify as "First Nations" - ties to land alone do not make them so. The only reason to attempt to stretch the definition to fit is in order to claim special rights for one and desenfranchise the other.

Since when has canada been in the M.E. ?

Just asking