The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

The problem is you do not understand what the Mandate for Palestine was for, what the British were there for.

Tell of any elections in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon when those countries became Independent or before they became Independent.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

The problem is you do not understand what the Mandate for Palestine was for, what the British were there for.

Tell of any elections in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon when those countries became Independent or before they became Independent.

Where was I incorrect?

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

The problem is you do not understand what the Mandate for Palestine was for, what the British were there for.

Tell of any elections in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon when those countries became Independent or before they became Independent.

Where was I incorrect?

Tell me of the elections which occurred in the other three Mandates before they declared Independence.

 

[percysunshine]

This thread is being set up to prevent our second most common thread derailment (after the Mandate) - please discuss the ancient history of the peoples in the Palestine area here.

Well, the history of most of the planet goes back to the Pre-Cambrian when stromatolites were the semi-aquatic precursers of all life on earth. The stromatolites were indiginous to Palestine, as well as the rest of the planet. We all share their ancestry.

Stromatolite - Wikipedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

The problem is you do not understand what the Mandate for Palestine was for, what the British were there for.

Tell of any elections in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon when those countries became Independent or before they became Independent.

Where was I incorrect?

Tell me of the elections which occurred in the other three Mandates before they declared Independence.

Why? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administratonby the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

The problem is you do not understand what the Mandate for Palestine was for, what the British were there for.

Tell of any elections in Iraq, Syria or Lebanon when those countries became Independent or before they became Independent.

Where was I incorrect?

Tell me of the elections which occurred in the other three Mandates before they declared Independence.

Why? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

Read your own post above. It talks about elections in the Mandate for Palestine before 1948.

I am simply asking where were the elections before the Mandates for Syria, Lebanon and Iraq came to be independent of the Mandate for each one.

Fair question.

 

[BlackSand]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

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[rylah]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

​

So I guess that the majority of US citizens living in America "of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years" are the indigenous people?

Funny after 500 years they don't even call themselves 'natives', everyone knows who are Native Indigenous Americans,.

With Jews in Judea this question all of a sudden becomes 'hard to answer' for many people....

 

[Hollie]

Why was there a problem?

Arab-Moslem intransigence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why was there a problem?

Arab-Moslem intransigence.

The Palestinians consistently pushed Britain for a representative government. Britain dragged its feet for 30 years. Why?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Not everyone in those years had this burning desire to capitulate to the will of a population → once in the domain of The Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA); that would be a case of the tail wagging the dog.

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indigenous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administration by the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

(COMMENT)

You seem to think that there was some overriding imperative for the Allied Powers to establish another national home for the Arabs. That is simply NOT the case. It was → rather → an intention, a very openly stated intention, that the Allied Powers wanted to commission and "secure the establishment of the Jewish national home."

Now the Allied Powers were NOT ruthless. The British Administration did establish an Arab State, mostly populated by Palestinians, that was more than three-times the size of the remaining territory between the Jordan River and the Sea.

The problem: The greedy Arab Palestinians wanted the entirety of the remaining territory and claim that the Jewish population received more than the Arabs. The proximate cause of the conflict is that the "selfishness" of the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Not everyone in those years had this burning desire to capitulate to the will of a population → once in the domain of The Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA); that would be a case of the tail wagging the dog.

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indigenous to Palestine?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al

Now you would not be trying to intentionally mislead people; would you?

The Mandate was supposed to be a "one state solution." All of the People who normally lived in the territory that became Palestine (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) would be Palestinian citizens. Immigrant Jews could get Palestinian citizenship. Palestine would be an independent state. As Palestinian citizens, Jews would be allowed to live anywhere in Palestine as would all other Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Between 1920 and Civil Administration by the selected Allied Power → through to May 1948, "Palestine Citizenship," was to the Government of Palestine that was the British Civil Administration. It was not an Arab Palestinian Government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was supposed to render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence. They could have been in and out if there in 10-15 years. They were there for 30 years and failed to establish a representative government. They could have held elections within a few years.

Why was there a problem?

(COMMENT)

You seem to think that there was some overriding imperative for the Allied Powers to establish another national home for the Arabs. That is simply NOT the case. It was → rather → an intention, a very openly stated intention, that the Allied Powers wanted to commission and "secure the establishment of the Jewish national home."

Now the Allied Powers were NOT ruthless. The British Administration did establish an Arab State, mostly populated by Palestinians, that was more than three-times the size of the remaining territory between the Jordan River and the Sea.

The problem: The greedy Arab Palestinians wanted the entirety of the remaining territory and claim that the Jewish population received more than the Arabs. The proximate cause of the conflict is that the "selfishness" of the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh jeese, more Israeli talking points.

Nice deflection though.

 

[danielpalos]

who cares; a dey would have solutions for the indigenous.

 

[Coyote]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

​

So I guess that the majority of US citizens living in America "of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years" are the indigenous people?

Funny after 500 years they don't even call themselves 'natives', everyone knows who are Native Indigenous Americans,.

With Jews in Judea this question all of a sudden becomes 'hard to answer' for many people....

It is not hard to answer as she pointed out. Both Jews and Palestinians are indiginous along with other groups.

Why does recognizing that cause such angst to some that they have to invent narratives to marginalize them? Why is it so important to insist they are just Europeans or that they are just descendants of Arab invaders? It is like there can only be One indiginous group.

 

[Sixties Fan]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

​

So I guess that the majority of US citizens living in America "of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years" are the indigenous people?

Funny after 500 years they don't even call themselves 'natives', everyone knows who are Native Indigenous Americans,.

With Jews in Judea this question all of a sudden becomes 'hard to answer' for many people....

It is not hard to answer as she pointed out. Both Jews and Palestinians are indiginous along with other groups.

Why doe recognizing that cause such angst to some that they have to invent narratives to marginalize them? Why is it so important to insist they are just Europeans or that they are just descendants of Arab invaders?

Coyote,

Palestinian Arabs are what the word Arab says they are.

ARABS

From Arabia.

Therefore they cannot be indigenous of the ancient Land of Canaan as the Jewish People are.

The Arab extremist cannot accept that the Jews can have their own sovereign land On their own ancient homeland.

Jews have not taken one duma of Arab indigenous land, ever.
All of it is at the hands of the Saudis, Yemenites, UAE, Qatar, and all others who live in the Arabian Peninsula.

The extreme Muslim Arabs are intent is saying that Zionism is a European cause, even though it is not, never has been and the Jews from Europe are NOT Europeans. They came from the land of Israel, ancient Canaan. And simply returned home, those who were away to recreate their Nation.

A Nation the Arab Muslims cannot stand to see that it still exists in Jewish hands.

 

[Coyote]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

​

So I guess that the majority of US citizens living in America "of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years" are the indigenous people?

Funny after 500 years they don't even call themselves 'natives', everyone knows who are Native Indigenous Americans,.

With Jews in Judea this question all of a sudden becomes 'hard to answer' for many people....

It is not hard to answer as she pointed out. Both Jews and Palestinians are indiginous along with other groups.

Why doe recognizing that cause such angst to some that they have to invent narratives to marginalize them? Why is it so important to insist they are just Europeans or that they are just descendants of Arab invaders?

Coyote,

Palestinian Arabs are what the word Arab says they are.

ARABS

From Arabia.

Therefore they cannot be indigenous of the ancient Land of Canaan as the Jewish People are.

The Arab extremist cannot accept that the Jews can have their own sovereign land On their own ancient homeland.

Jews have not taken one duma of Arab indigenous land, ever.
All of it is at the hands of the Saudis, Yemenites, UAE, Qatar, and all others who live in the Arabian Peninsula.

The extreme Muslim Arabs are intent is saying that Zionism is a European cause, even though it is not, never has been and the Jews from Europe are NOT Europeans. They came from the land of Israel, ancient Canaan. And simply returned home, those who were away to recreate their Nation.

A Nation the Arab Muslims cannot stand to see that it still exists in Jewish hands.

Arabs are not an exact definition. They are defined by language and culture not blood. It isn’t much different then the English conquests and cultural domination of indiginous populations.

Arabs - Wikipedia

Today, "Arab" refers to a large number of people whose native regions form the Arab world due to the spread of Arabs and the Arabic language throughout the region during the early Muslim conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries and the subsequent Arabisation of indigenous populations.[42]

Arabs are a diverse group in terms of religious affiliations and practices. In the pre-Islamic era, most Arabs followed polytheistic religions. Some tribes had adopted Christianity or Judaism, and a few individuals, the hanifs, apparently observed monotheism.[50] Today, Arabs are mostly adherents of Islam, with sizable Christian minorities. [51] Mizrahi Jews, and historically the Sephardi, have an Arab identity. Arab Muslims primarily belong to the Sunni, Shiite, Ibadi, and Alawite denominations. Arab Christians generally follow one of the Eastern Christian Churches, such as the Greek Orthodox or Greek Catholic churches.[52] Other smaller minority religions are also followed, such as the Bahá'í Faith and Druze.

 

[Sixties Fan]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

​

So I guess that the majority of US citizens living in America "of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years" are the indigenous people?

Funny after 500 years they don't even call themselves 'natives', everyone knows who are Native Indigenous Americans,.

With Jews in Judea this question all of a sudden becomes 'hard to answer' for many people....

It is not hard to answer as she pointed out. Both Jews and Palestinians are indiginous along with other groups.

Why doe recognizing that cause such angst to some that they have to invent narratives to marginalize them? Why is it so important to insist they are just Europeans or that they are just descendants of Arab invaders?

Coyote,

Palestinian Arabs are what the word Arab says they are.

ARABS

From Arabia.

Therefore they cannot be indigenous of the ancient Land of Canaan as the Jewish People are.

The Arab extremist cannot accept that the Jews can have their own sovereign land On their own ancient homeland.

Jews have not taken one duma of Arab indigenous land, ever.
All of it is at the hands of the Saudis, Yemenites, UAE, Qatar, and all others who live in the Arabian Peninsula.

The extreme Muslim Arabs are intent is saying that Zionism is a European cause, even though it is not, never has been and the Jews from Europe are NOT Europeans. They came from the land of Israel, ancient Canaan. And simply returned home, those who were away to recreate their Nation.

A Nation the Arab Muslims cannot stand to see that it still exists in Jewish hands.

Arabs are not an exact definition. They are defined by language and culture not blood. It isn’t much different then the English conquests and cultural domination of indiginous populations.

Arabs - Wikipedia

Today, "Arab" refers to a large number of people whose native regions form the Arab world due to the spread of Arabs and the Arabic language throughout the region during the early Muslim conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries and the subsequent Arabisation of indigenous populations.[42]

Arabs are a diverse group in terms of religious affiliations and practices. In the pre-Islamic era, most Arabs followed polytheistic religions. Some tribes had adopted Christianity or Judaism, and a few individuals, the hanifs, apparently observed monotheism.[50] Today, Arabs are mostly adherents of Islam, with sizable Christian minorities. [51] Mizrahi Jews, and historically the Sephardi, have an Arab identity. Arab Muslims primarily belong to the Sunni, Shiite, Ibadi, and Alawite denominations. Arab Christians generally follow one of the Eastern Christian Churches, such as the Greek Orthodox or Greek Catholic churches.[52] Other smaller minority religions are also followed, such as the Bahá'í Faith and Druze.

I am sorry but.....

You are repeating Arab fiction. Some of it is correct, most of it is not.

It is absurd to say that the Mizrahi and Sephardi have an Arab identity. They never did, nor will they ever identify with the Arabs because they are NOT Arabs, they are Jews. There is a huge difference between them, and 1300 years under Muslim Arab control would not ever turn the Jews into Arabs.

Only in fantasy land. 1001 Arabian Night Stories.

 

[Coyote]

"People of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years"

The question isn't that hard to answer ...
What you want to do with the answer may be a little more difficult.

Ooops ...
Pineapple​

.​

​

So I guess that the majority of US citizens living in America "of various religions, who's ancestors have lived there for hundreds of years" are the indigenous people?

Funny after 500 years they don't even call themselves 'natives', everyone knows who are Native Indigenous Americans,.

With Jews in Judea this question all of a sudden becomes 'hard to answer' for many people....

It is not hard to answer as she pointed out. Both Jews and Palestinians are indiginous along with other groups.

Why doe recognizing that cause such angst to some that they have to invent narratives to marginalize them? Why is it so important to insist they are just Europeans or that they are just descendants of Arab invaders?

Coyote,

Palestinian Arabs are what the word Arab says they are.

ARABS

From Arabia.

Therefore they cannot be indigenous of the ancient Land of Canaan as the Jewish People are.

The Arab extremist cannot accept that the Jews can have their own sovereign land On their own ancient homeland.

Jews have not taken one duma of Arab indigenous land, ever.
All of it is at the hands of the Saudis, Yemenites, UAE, Qatar, and all others who live in the Arabian Peninsula.

The extreme Muslim Arabs are intent is saying that Zionism is a European cause, even though it is not, never has been and the Jews from Europe are NOT Europeans. They came from the land of Israel, ancient Canaan. And simply returned home, those who were away to recreate their Nation.

A Nation the Arab Muslims cannot stand to see that it still exists in Jewish hands.

Arabs are not an exact definition. They are defined by language and culture not blood. It isn’t much different then the English conquests and cultural domination of indiginous populations.

Arabs - Wikipedia

Today, "Arab" refers to a large number of people whose native regions form the Arab world due to the spread of Arabs and the Arabic language throughout the region during the early Muslim conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries and the subsequent Arabisation of indigenous populations.[42]

Arabs are a diverse group in terms of religious affiliations and practices. In the pre-Islamic era, most Arabs followed polytheistic religions. Some tribes had adopted Christianity or Judaism, and a few individuals, the hanifs, apparently observed monotheism.[50] Today, Arabs are mostly adherents of Islam, with sizable Christian minorities. [51] Mizrahi Jews, and historically the Sephardi, have an Arab identity. Arab Muslims primarily belong to the Sunni, Shiite, Ibadi, and Alawite denominations. Arab Christians generally follow one of the Eastern Christian Churches, such as the Greek Orthodox or Greek Catholic churches.[52] Other smaller minority religions are also followed, such as the Bahá'í Faith and Druze.

I am sorry but.....

You are repeating Arab fiction. Some of it is correct, most of it is not.

It is absurd to say that the Mizrahi and Sephardi have an Arab identity. They never did, nor will they ever identify with the Arabs because they are NOT Arabs, they are Jews. There is a huge difference between them, and 1300 years under Muslim Arab control would not ever turn the Jews into Arabs.

Only in fantasy land. 1001 Arabian Night Stories.

No. I am not repeating fiction, and I have cited sources and reputable historians. It is your choice as to what you believe, but I prefer to stick with facts.

Why is it so important to you that the Palestinians be nothing more than Arab invaders? That kind of approach is no different than those who insist that Jews are Europeans thus not indiginous.