The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Stop talking about each other

 

[Boston1]

The Jewish people originated in Israel. Trying to deny that is just foolish.

You are confusing a religious group with a people. BTW, Christians also originated in Palestine, Jesus Christ was the first Christian Palestinian.

Does this mean that any Christian in any part of the world has the right to "return" to Palestine?

WRONG he was a Jewish Rabbi who taught the Torah. He was never a Christian while he was alive, the first Christians surfaced in the 4C C.E. and they originated in Rome. If they can show a tie to the land and having once lived there as indigenous population then yes they can. Unlike the arab muslims who had never even seen Palestine and claimed the new build in Tel aviv was their home and the toilet window was their bedroom.


The Jews have the right because international laws of 1917, 1923, 1924 and 1949 gave them that right, something you seem to deny exists because it would burst your bubble

Yeah, this is all about native rights. its got nothing to do with religion.

Although that being said you are right and Arty is way wrong.

The character we know today as Jesus was 100% a rabbi. Of the very little we know about him what we do know of him says he was a rabbi all the way.

It was Paul who invented christianity, not Jesus

 

[montelatici]

If you mean rabbi as "teacher", "sage" or "master"you would be correct. Jesus lived before the rabbinic period which started in 70 AD.

Can we call Jesus “Rabbi”?

 

[Phoenall]

If you mean rabbi as "teacher", "sage" or "master"you would be correct. Jesus lived before the rabbinic period which started in 70 AD.

Can we call Jesus “Rabbi”?

Back pedalling again freddy because you know you have been proven wrong again. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi that taught the Torah and as such was 100% Jewish. So explain again why you hate the Jews so much that you worship one as God ?

 

[Art__Allm]

Of course he didn't, to admit he did would show that you know that he is inciting religious and racial hatred that he hopes will result in Jews being hurt, seriously injured or even murdered. The same thing you are hoping for with your racial/religious hatred you spout every day of the week

People who constantly wine about "hate" and "hatred" usually hate the truth.

 

[Challenger]

Of course he didn't, to admit he did would show that you know that he is inciting religious and racial hatred that he hopes will result in Jews being hurt, seriously injured or even murdered. The same thing you are hoping for with your racial/religious hatred you spout every day of the week

People who constantly wine about "hate" and "hatred" usually hate the truth.

"Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth"- anon

 

[Phoenall]

Of course he didn't, to admit he did would show that you know that he is inciting religious and racial hatred that he hopes will result in Jews being hurt, seriously injured or even murdered. The same thing you are hoping for with your racial/religious hatred you spout every day of the week

People who constantly wine about "hate" and "hatred" usually hate the truth.

Which is why team Palestine are so loud when it comes to hate and hatred. Are you denying that team Palestine are promoting hatred towards the Jews, and then trying to pass it of as free speech ?

 

[Art__Allm]

"Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth"- anon

Yes, this mental condition is called "projection".

Liars usually hate the truth, and if you tell the truth they will call it "hate speech", because they hate a truthful speech.

 

[Challenger]

Interesting article.

"New research suggests that the majority of the world's modern Jewish population is descended mainly from people from ancient Turkey, rather than predominantly from elsewhere in the Middle East.

The new research suggests that most of the Jewish population of northern and eastern Europe - normally known as Ashkenazic Jews - are the descendants of Greeks, Iranians and others who colonized what is now northern Turkey more than 2000 years ago and were then converted to Judaism, probably in the first few centuries AD by Jews from Persia. At that stage, the Persian Empire was home to the world's largest Jewish communities.

According to research carried out by the geneticist, Dr Eran Elhaik of the University of Sheffield, over 90 per cent of Ashkenazic ancestors come from that converted partially Greek-originating ancient community in north-east Turkey."

Localizing Ashkenazic Jews to primeval villages in the ancient Iranian lands of Ashkenaz

 

[theliq]

If you mean rabbi as "teacher", "sage" or "master"you would be correct. Jesus lived before the rabbinic period which started in 70 AD.

Can we call Jesus “Rabbi”?

Beautiful Monte,it's like those that call Palestinians who have been in Palestine for 3000 years,as always .Muslims?Islamists?,considering Mohammed was born well after 1100 odd years later,makes them look what they are.........

 

[Phoenall]

Interesting article.

"New research suggests that the majority of the world's modern Jewish population is descended mainly from people from ancient Turkey, rather than predominantly from elsewhere in the Middle East.

The new research suggests that most of the Jewish population of northern and eastern Europe - normally known as Ashkenazic Jews - are the descendants of Greeks, Iranians and others who colonized what is now northern Turkey more than 2000 years ago and were then converted to Judaism, probably in the first few centuries AD by Jews from Persia. At that stage, the Persian Empire was home to the world's largest Jewish communities.

According to research carried out by the geneticist, Dr Eran Elhaik of the University of Sheffield, over 90 per cent of Ashkenazic ancestors come from that converted partially Greek-originating ancient community in north-east Turkey."

Localizing Ashkenazic Jews to primeval villages in the ancient Iranian lands of Ashkenaz

Just more islamonazi propaganda with no actual evidence to support the subject

 

[Phoenall]

If you mean rabbi as "teacher", "sage" or "master"you would be correct. Jesus lived before the rabbinic period which started in 70 AD.

Can we call Jesus “Rabbi”?

Beautiful Monte,it's like those that call Palestinians who have been in Palestine for 3000 years,as always .Muslims?Islamists?,considering Mohammed was born well after 1100 odd years later,makes them look what they are.........

WRONG again as no muslims existed prior to 625 C.E. when mo'mad invented them. He did not call himself a Palestinian but an arab muslim. The only Palestinians around from 70 C.E. till the late 19C were the Jews, and the term was used much as you use Zionist today. It was derogatory and defamatory in the extreme and was insulting to the arab muslim invaders to call them Palestinians, they called themselves south Syrians.

 

[Challenger]

You can always tell when Phoney never bothers to read an article, he posts drivel like this, "Just more islamonazi propaganda with no actual evidence to support the subject"

The article published in a respected academic journal was written by four academics and scientists including: Paul Wexler, (Israeli) Professor Emeritus of linguistics at Tel Aviv University, Dr. Mehdi Pirooznia, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins, Dr. Ranajit Das from University of Sheffield and our old friend Dr. Eran Elhaik who caused a Zionist firestorm of hate a few years ago by suggesting Ashkenazis may not have come from the Middle East

Ohh those Jewish Islamonazis, they get everwhere (according to Phoney)

 

[TheGreatKing]

If you people keep accepting lies of the devil and keep seeking solution to this or any other problem, then no proper solution could be found. Where is the snake of the Genesis who was cursed? Where are her children, who were supposed to be the enemies of the children of Eve? The snake has produced many children and they are occupying YOUR planet, given to you by your Father, God. Claim back your planet, your heritage from the devils. The devils are not humans and they are not even those animals who were allowed by God to live on earth with our permission, in order to serve us. They have come to the earth with ONE AND ONLY ONE AGENDA and that is to create problems for us, their enemies. All the Arabs, Egyptians, Philistines and all their colored sisters are the children of the devil. They have no right whatsoever on the planet earth or anywhere in the universe. They belong only to the fire of hell. The time has come to repay them for all their sins by annihilating them and sending them to hell. All the problems of the world like Israel's territory controversy, holocaust, 9/11, Immorality in western culture, etc. are the works of the invisible devil and her visible children. Say the truth and say it boldly and your problems will be solved. Your God is with you. The time has come. The devils will call TRUTH as Lies and LIES as Truths. Don't accept that. Say the truth and stick to it. Israel should claim all the land from Nile to Euphrates that God gave them in the Bible and should not compromise at all. #Israel

 

[Fishlore]

Of the six million or so Jews in Israel, one million are Russians. These folks speak Russian at home, although their kids are bilingual, often speak Hebrew badly if at all, and eat pork, shellfish and other trafe. They are a major voting bloc in the Likud coalition and home to a large Russian organized crime presence which is active in money laundering and cyber-crime world-wide. Most of them came from the great post-Soviet aliyah of the 1990s. Nobody, certainly no sabra Israelis, think them indigenous.

Most of the Christian Right knows nothing about the reality of Israel today. They haven't been there, although AIPAC does run some super-guided tours for GOP politicians, they know only the propaganda fed to them and view the entire issue through the fuzzy lens of dimly remembered Sundays-school stories.

 

[Phoenall]

You can always tell when Phoney never bothers to read an article, he posts drivel like this, "Just more islamonazi propaganda with no actual evidence to support the subject"

The article published in a respected academic journal was written by four academics and scientists including: Paul Wexler, (Israeli) Professor Emeritus of linguistics at Tel Aviv University, Dr. Mehdi Pirooznia, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins, Dr. Ranajit Das from University of Sheffield and our old friend Dr. Eran Elhaik who caused a Zionist firestorm of hate a few years ago by suggesting Ashkenazis may not have come from the Middle East

Ohh those Jewish Islamonazis, they get everwhere (according to Phoney)

And have you proven that this was true, or are you just running with it because it supports your POV.

To me and many others it is just LIES spouted by neo Nazis, white supremacists and islamonazi's to racially abuse the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Of the six million or so Jews in Israel, one million are Russians. These folks speak Russian at home, although their kids are bilingual, often speak Hebrew badly if at all, and eat pork, shellfish and other trafe. They are a major voting bloc in the Likud coalition and home to a large Russian organized crime presence which is active in money laundering and cyber-crime world-wide. Most of them came from the great post-Soviet aliyah of the 1990s. Nobody, certainly no sabra Israelis, think them indigenous.

Most of the Christian Right knows nothing about the reality of Israel today. They haven't been there, although AIPAC does run some super-guided tours for GOP politicians, they know only the propaganda fed to them and view the entire issue through the fuzzy lens of dimly remembered Sundays-school stories.

And you can of course prove this from an unbiased and non partisan source ?

 

[TheGreatKing]

And have you proven that this was true, or are you just running with it because it supports your POV.
To me and many others it is just LIES spouted by neo Nazis, white supremacists and islamonazi's to racially abuse the Jews.

LIES indeed! And how are Jews not considered Whites? Are Europeans and Jews not brothers, sons of Adam and Eve? #insanity.

 

[montelatici]

If you people keep accepting lies of the devil and keep seeking solution to this or any other problem, then no proper solution could be found. Where is the snake of the Genesis who was cursed? Where are her children, who were supposed to be the enemies of the children of Eve? The snake has produced many children and they are occupying YOUR planet, given to you by your Father, God. Claim back your planet, your heritage from the devils. The devils are not humans and they are not even those animals who were allowed by God to live on earth with our permission, in order to serve us. They have come to the earth with ONE AND ONLY ONE AGENDA and that is to create problems for us, their enemies. All the Arabs, Egyptians, Philistines and all their colored sisters are the children of the devil. They have no right whatsoever on the planet earth or anywhere in the universe. They belong only to the fire of hell. The time has come to repay them for all their sins by annihilating them and sending them to hell. All the problems of the world like Israel's territory controversy, holocaust, 9/11, Immorality in western culture, etc. are the works of the invisible devil and her visible children. Say the truth and say it boldly and your problems will be solved. Your God is with you. The time has come. The devils will call TRUTH as Lies and LIES as Truths. Don't accept that. Say the truth and stick to it. Israel should claim all the land from Nile to Euphrates that God gave them in the Bible and should not compromise at all. #Israel

 

[Fishlore]

We've had 84 pages of debate on who is indigenous to Palestine but the question raises a non-issue. Israel's legitimacy does not derive from the indigenous character of its citizens. Zionism is not a movement of return of indigenous peoples but to the descendants of the original Hebrew settlers, who were by their own account not indigenous to the area. According to Torah, the Hebrews were successful invaders under Joshua. Moses was born in Egypt, not Palestine.

Even before the diaspora in 72 C.E. there were already more Jews living outside of Judea-Samaria (or Palestine if you prefer) than within it. Jewish culture was as dynamic and creative in Egypt and Syria as in Palestine. The significance of Judea derives from the ascendancy of the House of David and the priestly decree that only the Jerusalem Temple could offer the animal sacrifice central to the religion of the Hebrew people.

Zionism is a creationof the shtetel and Western persecution. Jews from Aleppo or Alexandria had no need to raise a glass "to next year in Jerusalem" because they were able to go there if they wished. Many did -- as pious tourists -- but they returned 'home" again to their lives and families.

I courl be argued that the Zionism which drove Western establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine was an illegitimate act of colonialsim, more akin to Gibralta and Hong Kong than a "return" to land in which no ancestor had dwelt in well over a thousand years. It' a good argument but it is too late now. There are three generations of indigenous Israeli Jews. Deal with it