The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Phoenall]

OK, so we have Palestine, a successor state broken from Turkish rule by the treaty of Lausanne and international borders were defined by post war treaties. According to the Treaty of Lausanne, international and domestic law, the Palestinians obtained the nationality of Palestinian and became citizens of that defined territory. As citizens of Palestine they have the right to self determination without external interference, etc, as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

OK, your turn.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

How do you fit that into my post?

Very easily as you never mention the rights of the Jews to self determination with no outside influence. You see the Jews being ruled by the muslims with no self determination and ruled by outside influence

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, so we have Palestine, a successor state broken from Turkish rule by the treaty of Lausanne and international borders were defined by post war treaties. According to the Treaty of Lausanne, international and domestic law, the Palestinians obtained the nationality of Palestinian and became citizens of that defined territory. As citizens of Palestine they have the right to self determination without external interference, etc, as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

OK, your turn.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

How do you fit that into my post?

Very easily as you never mention the rights of the Jews to self determination with no outside influence. You see the Jews being ruled by the muslims with no self determination and ruled by outside influence

Very easily as you never mention the rights of the Jews to self determination with no outside influence.​

Do you have a UN resolution to affirm that talking point?

 

[montelatici]

OK, so we have Palestine, a successor state broken from Turkish rule by the treaty of Lausanne and international borders were defined by post war treaties. According to the Treaty of Lausanne, international and domestic law, the Palestinians obtained the nationality of Palestinian and became citizens of that defined territory. As citizens of Palestine they have the right to self determination without external interference, etc, as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

OK, your turn.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

 

[Hollie]

OK, so we have Palestine, a successor state broken from Turkish rule by the treaty of Lausanne and international borders were defined by post war treaties. According to the Treaty of Lausanne, international and domestic law, the Palestinians obtained the nationality of Palestinian and became citizens of that defined territory. As citizens of Palestine they have the right to self determination without external interference, etc, as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

OK, your turn.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

 

[montelatici]

OK, so we have Palestine, a successor state broken from Turkish rule by the treaty of Lausanne and international borders were defined by post war treaties. According to the Treaty of Lausanne, international and domestic law, the Palestinians obtained the nationality of Palestinian and became citizens of that defined territory. As citizens of Palestine they have the right to self determination without external interference, etc, as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

OK, your turn.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

 

[Shusha]

How do you fit that into my post?

Are you telling me you are arguing FOR the rights of the Jewish people to self-determination and the reconstitution of their national homeland?

 

[Shusha]

Zionism did not pop up out of the blue in the late 1800's.

Correct, it didn't. It was invented by English Protestant religious fanatics in the 17th century called Puritans.

Oh please. Like it never occurred to the Jewish people to go back to their homeland? Give me a break. Yawn.

 

[Hollie]

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't let your embarrassment at being continually corrected cause you such angst. You should be accustomed to being corrected for your silly cutting and pasting.

 

[Shusha]

..except there's no such thing as a "Jewish ethnicity"outside of Zionist dogma, although I'd be prepared accept "Judean" if he could prove his ancestors came from the Judean hills (which would make him a Palestinian), as opposed to the Massif Centrale, or the Voges.

So, if I labelled them the Israelites and the Judeans, or possible the Hebrew people, you'd suddenly be okay with it?

 

[montelatici]

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't let your embarrassment at being continually corrected cause you such angst. You should be accustomed to being corrected for your silly cutting and pasting.

Oh, you mean providing source documentation. LOL

 

[Hollie]

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't let your embarrassment at being continually corrected cause you such angst. You should be accustomed to being corrected for your silly cutting and pasting.

Oh, you mean providing source documentation. LOL

What source documentation? LOL.

 

[montelatici]

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't let your embarrassment at being continually corrected cause you such angst. You should be accustomed to being corrected for your silly cutting and pasting.

Oh, you mean providing source documentation. LOL

What source documentation? LOL.

The documentation from official historical archives that you haven't a clue how to access.

 

[Hollie]

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't let your embarrassment at being continually corrected cause you such angst. You should be accustomed to being corrected for your silly cutting and pasting.

Oh, you mean providing source documentation. LOL

What source documentation? LOL.

The documentation from official historical archives that you haven't a clue how to access.

Your cluelessness regarding your self-proclaimed "official historical archives" is a hoot. LOL.

 

[montelatici]

Not self-proclaimed at all. That's what they are, source documents from academic and governmental archives.

 

[Phoenall]

OK, so we have Palestine, a successor state broken from Turkish rule by the treaty of Lausanne and international borders were defined by post war treaties. According to the Treaty of Lausanne, international and domestic law, the Palestinians obtained the nationality of Palestinian and became citizens of that defined territory. As citizens of Palestine they have the right to self determination without external interference, etc, as affirmed by subsequent UN resolutions.

OK, your turn.

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

How do you fit that into my post?

Very easily as you never mention the rights of the Jews to self determination with no outside influence. You see the Jews being ruled by the muslims with no self determination and ruled by outside influence

Very easily as you never mention the rights of the Jews to self determination with no outside influence.​

Do you have a UN resolution to affirm that talking point?

Try the ones you use when you make the claims for the arab muslims, as they cover all the people of the world.

 

[Phoenall]

There were two distinct groups of citizens living in the Mandate territory. One of those groups was granted explicit right to reconstitute their national home there based on recognition of a pre-existing historical right to it. That would be the Jewish people, explicitly mentioned in all sorts of documents of the era.

Now, I'm arguing for BOTH peoples rights.

What is your reason for excluding the rights of the Jewish people, especially in light of the explicit documentation?

There were not two distinct groups. There was one group entitled to self-determination, the native inhabitants, that practiced several religions. A tiny minority were Arab Jews.

Europeans, regardless of adopted religion, did not have any "pre-existing" rights to Palestine, where do you get that idea.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't see yours flocking to your rescue these days, could it be they are so embarrassed being associated with you these days ?

 

[Phoenall]

How do you fit that into my post?

Are you telling me you are arguing FOR the rights of the Jewish people to self-determination and the reconstitution of their national homeland?

He has just said that they have no rights to self determination and/or a homeland a few posts back

 

[Phoenall]

Zionism did not pop up out of the blue in the late 1800's.

Correct, it didn't. It was invented by English Protestant religious fanatics in the 17th century called Puritans.

Oh please. Like it never occurred to the Jewish people to go back to their homeland? Give me a break. Yawn.

Like all neo Marxists/Nazi's.islamonazi's he ignores anything that works in Israel's favour. So any inkling of Zionism shown by Jews as far back as the time of Jesus is to be denied and only those episodes that show even a slight link to it being other than Jewish have to be forcibly forced down peoples throats.

 

[Phoenall]

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Other than to calm an emotional requirement that furthers your insensate Jooooooo hatreds, there's no reason to accept that the Turk invaders / colonists and later the Egyptian, Lebanese and Syrian squatters / occupiers had exclusive rights to the land.

You should try to read up on the history of the region before posting nonsense.

You shouldn't let your ignorance of the history surrounding the area cause you to stutter and mumble about things you know nothing of.

You have demonstrated your ignorance, even your buddies won't comment on your ridiculous assertions.

Don't let your embarrassment at being continually corrected cause you such angst. You should be accustomed to being corrected for your silly cutting and pasting.

Oh, you mean providing source documentation. LOL

Like an edited and published pamphlet that you pass of as being the work of people who spent less that 3 months in Palestine. So because I rip your links to pieces and show that you cherry pick the parts that suit your POV

 

[Phoenall]

Not self-proclaimed at all. That's what they are, source documents from academic and governmental archives.

No they are not source documents at all, they are edited published pieces of fiction stored in the comedy section of the UN archives